Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Facts??????????...Yes so long as they are true and acurate.

You cannot tell me what was in that interview was facts....It was all about discrediting Trump with lies and propaganda.

C.J. Polychroniou for Truthout: Noam, the unthinkable has happened: In contrast to all forecasts, Donald Trump scored a decisive victory over Hillary Clinton, and the man that Michael Moore described as a “wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full-time sociopath” will be the next president of the United States. In your view, what were the deciding factors that led American voters to produce the biggest upset in the history of US politics?

Is this what you call facts described by Michael Moore???????????????..FFS

This is typical of the way the Socialist left wing Fabian indoctrination works...They cannot accept democracy.

I happen to agree with Moore's summary of Trump there. But Chomsky didn't characterised Trump.

In fact, he said there are things Trump said that he agrees with. But have always said that it is hard to tell what a Trump presidency will do because we don't know exactly what Trump really said and whether he mean it or not.

I guess that's giving Trump a chance there.

But like he also said in that interview... so far it's not looking good.

I mean, wanting to get your kids Top Secret clearance? The US is a family business now?

 

[noco]

By the sounds of it there's at least another 100m "reds" hiding under our the beds of normal, upstanding Americans.

When noco was just a little boy, apparently 75 years ago, his mummy and daddy used to tell him about monsters in the night just like all other law-abiding, decent parents. Whereas most kids at the time were told of awful big hairy Cyclops and nasty little grelims, noco was told of little Russian men wearing Green suits (to hide the red attire underneath) who would steal all your money and assets if you didn't sleep with one eye open.

To this day I hear he wakes up in fits and sweats in the night, just there's no mummy and daddy around to give him a cuddle.... most of the other kids have all grown up though, and realise that monsters under the bed aren't true.

LMAO.....Buster, you are way out with your 75 years ago.......You are in fantasy land with Cinderella, Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck......Perhaps when you get rid of your nappies and open your eyes you will see what is happening in the real world......In the meantime I suggest you get back into your cradle.

 

[noco]

That's because you've got the memory of a gold fish.

It's almost unfathomable that you cannot remember the mass protests led by the Tea Party against Obama in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests

And these conspiracy theories before and after his election:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

I'm not sure how you can have a sook about protests against Trump, but turn a blind eye to these.

Ves, I have read through those links but I failed to see any connection between the Tea Party and the Republicans..

The Tea Party appear to be a separate organization from the Republican Party...The Tea Party were protesting against Obama's tax policy and not his Presidential election..

Regarding Obama's American citizenship, it is something I know little about and cannot comment but I did read comments from many others who have thrown some doubt into birth place.

 

[SirRumpole]

Regarding Obama's American citizenship, it is something I know little about and cannot comment but I did read comments from many others who have thrown some doubt into birth place.

Trump threw a lot of doubt on Obama's birthplace and then admitted it was all b.s.

You just can't admit that your Right Wing hero is a flawed liar, who inherited his wealth, made massive losses and wrote them off on his tax, is as vindictive as they come and is about to tell the rest of the world to p.ss off and that may well include us.

 

[McLovin]

Ves, I have read through those links but I failed to see any connection between the Tea Party and the Republicans..

You've got to be kidding me.

The tea party didn't get its man in Mitt Romney. But the movement got one of its ideological heroes in the Republican presidential ticket's No. 2 slot.

Romney's selection of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate marked a huge victory for the tea party. Its roaring influence helped Republicans take back the House in 2010, gaining 63 seats. Since then, its no-compromise positions on deep budget cuts set the parameters of high-profile fiscal fights on Capitol Hill.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/tea-party-gets-man-ryan-vice-president-073903869.html?ref=gs

(I assume the Associated Press is not considered to pinko for you)

 

[Ves]

Ves, I have read through those links but I failed to see any connection between the Tea Party and the Republicans..

LOL. I don't agree with the content of your comment but it actually doesn't matter. They're an outfit that organised protests against the president.

Therefore your comment is irrelevant. The discussion is about whether there were protests against Obama's presidency. There were. It doesn't matter if they were linked to the Republicans or not.

It's inconsistent to condone protests against Trump, but to ignore/agree with the protests against Obama.

It isn't even a question of political allegiance.

 

[luutzu]

No, but if a job is available(that they are qualified for) and they don't want it, should they get the dole?


Who knows, but we don't seem to be doing well with manufacturing, they are offshoring.
With miners, which find it easy to strip our above ground minerals, no one seems to want to charge them.



Welfare is a huge problem, that is why we have the boat people problem, Indonesia doesn't seem to be a place they wanted to settle.
We have a system where the next generation pays for the last, it is braking down because the next generation won't have the jobs and are starting to take more welfare than the older generation. Add to that the amount of people arriving later in life, and qualifying for pensions after paying minimal tax, it all becomes onerous.
Therefore the burden is placed on the middle class wage earner, they can't avoid tax, and they get angry.

Not all jobs are established or worth enough for people to drive a couple hours each way, or move their family, right?

Then for jobs far away with people willing to sell their home and move, are the unemployed person qualified for it?

So we can't just simply say that there are jobs out there, so they go get it. A lot of factors must be considered.

Like I was repeating what Maestro Greenspan was saying - that unemployment is by design. That as part of social and political engineering - all for the benefit of the owners of the country - certain percentage of people in the country have to be made poor and made unemployed.

You do this through cutting education funding, you only permit certain number of places; you only invest and fund projects of certain size, requiring certain skills.

Then you ramp up the propaganda machine that says if you fail in life, it is all your fault. All of it. The gov't tried their best. That's not to say that an individual is blameless and should just sit around. But if we are to put the blame to either side, it rest at the feet of those in power - those whose job it is to either create jobs and lift their citizenry, or crush it.


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Manufacturing is offshored, resources are not fairly taxed, "free trade" are signed everywhere... it's not for the benefit of the common folks.

It's like the good old days where voters and politicians are lords and barons. So just because we get to play the game and tick the box, we shouldn't ask for too much if we stop there. I mean, VN's communist party allow people to vote too. The plebs there can't protest, but we can. for now anyway.

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Every body gets welfare. Just welfare is call something else for the rich and their corporations.

So payment to the poor and sick are call "welfare", "entitlements".

Welfare to the rich are "subsidies", "security", "job creation", "incentives", "investment", "growth initiative".

A gov't is suppose to look after the welfare of all its people. What else is it there for? What are we paying taxes for?

So corporate welfare is fine, as long as it's not taking from the poor and give to the corporations. But that's what it is, but it's blamed on the poor.


If we want a better economy, it is better to just give money to the poor than to the rich.

the poor will spend it. Not on useless things, but spend it on a house, fix up the place; take a holiday they haven't had in a while; hire a few tradies, get their kids new clothes, get them a tutor or two etc. etc.

These kind of spending create demand, demand get business people interested to supply and so they hire people, invest in businesses they'll run etc. Results in higher revenue to the ATO. Better standard of living for the masses; more small businesses with adequate jobs to put food on the table and maybe a couple of apprentices.

Giving it to those who are already well off and what would they do?
All that they would spend they already have. So excess cash will either go to gambling or financial speculation. Maybe that too create jobs, but just ain't that bang for your local buck.

We all know these stuff. Why it's not implemented is not within our pay packet.

 

[luutzu]

For a fella who questions history, you are pretty quick out of the blocks to accept the fenestrated version of the Colonial American, Louis 16 and Catherinian antagonists.

The Spanish Empire was well before Napoleon , as was the Industrial revolution and Empire in Britain, the French Louis, the Dutch, the Portugese, etc; all predating and flowing over 1783 by a couple of hundred years at least.

The 1812 war started because the US declared war on the UK in a grab for the Canadian territory while Britain was focused on French marching into Moscow. The Brits retaliated by invading the US with a peppercorn force. The yanks still make out they were the victims of a war declared by the poms and still celebrate the low act of the Battle of New Orleans where the far superior British army honouring the Treaty of Ghent had to fend off Andrew Jackson's deliberate blindness to the rules of war etiquette of the time. To the Brits the US was a sideshow that only deserved about 5% of it's military force to beat the US, which it did.

Yea alright. I guess it's a habit of empires to take over defenceless countries.

Heard some guy on YouTube was saying Chris Columbus wrote in his diaries how nice the Haitians and natives are, so it's going to be so easy to take all their crap.

Is that true?

 

[noco]

Trump threw a lot of doubt on Obama's birthplace and then admitted it was all b.s.

You just can't admit that your Right Wing hero is a flawed liar, who inherited his wealth, made massive losses and wrote them off on his tax, is as vindictive as they come and is about to tell the rest of the world to p.ss off and that may well include us.

If you care to read and absorb the contents of that link, you will discover there were several others beside Trump who had doubts about his birth place....Maybe the truth will come out some time as to whether it is right or wrong.

 

[Ves]

If you care to read and absorb the contents of that link, you will discover there were several others beside Trump who had doubts about his birth place....Maybe the truth will come out some time as to whether it is right or wrong.

If you're not going to believe the copy of his birth certificate that was released, what would you actually believe?

 

[McLovin]

Yea alright. I guess it's a habit of empires to take over defenceless countries.

Heard some guy on YouTube was saying Chris Columbus wrote in his diaries how nice the Haitians and natives are, so it's going to be so easy to take all their crap.

Is that true?

Columbus put them all in to slavery. Spears and hammocks are no match for guns and armour. In the context of imperial Spain, he was probably one of the "friendlier" governors/conquistadors, compared to say Cortes or Nuno de Guzman. The black legend has been overdramatised, but Spain was a pretty brutal coloniser. The Portuguese were worse.

 

[noco]

Trump threw a lot of doubt on Obama's birthplace and then admitted it was all b.s.

You just can't admit that your Right Wing hero is a flawed liar, who inherited his wealth, made massive losses and wrote them off on his tax, is as vindictive as they come and is about to tell the rest of the world to p.ss off and that may well include us.

Donald Trump

Further information: Donald Trump § Involvement in politics, 1988–2015

In March 2011, during an interview on Good Morning America, Donald Trump said he was seriously considering running for president, that he was a "little" skeptical of Obama's citizenship, and that someone who shares this view should not be so quickly dismissed as an "idiot" (as Trump considers the term "birther" to be "derogatory"[162]). Trump added, "Growing up no one knew him",[163] a claim ranked Pants-on-Fire by Politifact.[164] Later, Trump appeared on The View repeating several times that "I want him [Obama] to show his birth certificate." He speculated that "there’s something on that birth certificate that he doesn’t like", a comment which host Whoopi Goldberg described as "the biggest pile of dog mess I’ve heard in ages."[165] On the March 30, 2011, edition of CNN Newsroom, anchor Suzanne Malveaux commented on Trump's statements, pointing out that she had made a documentary for which she had gone to Hawaii and spoken with people who knew Obama as a child.[166][167] In an NBC TV interview broadcast on April 7, 2011, Trump said he would not let go of the issue, because he was not satisfied that Obama had proved his citizenship.[168] After Trump began making his views public, he was contacted by Joseph Farah of WorldNetDaily, who was reportedly on the phone with Trump every day for a week, providing Trump with a "birther primer", answers to questions, and advice.[169] After Obama released his long-form birth certificate on April 27, 2011, Trump said "I am really honored and I am really proud, that I was able to do something that nobody else could do."[170]

On October 24, 2012, Trump offered to donate five million dollars to the charity of Obama's choice in return for the publication of his college and passport applications before October 31, 2012.[171]

On September 16, 2016, Trump stated "President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period." Trump also repeated a false claim that Hillary Clinton (his opponent in the 2016 U.S. presidential election) had started the controversy concerning Obama's place of birth.[172]

Did Trump ever receive the publication of Obama's college and pass port applications?

So what is the problem?

 

[noco]

If you're not going to believe the copy of his birth certificate that was released, what would you actually believe?

Well, from what I have read, it is quite easy to get an Hawaii birth certificate no matter where you were born.

 

[Ves]

Well, from what I have read, it is quite easy to get an Hawaii birth certificate no matter where you were born.

That sounds like a good opportunity. In any of the places you have read this did you find anyone who could help get me one?

 

[McLovin]

Well, from what I have read, it is quite easy to get an Hawaii birth certificate no matter where you were born.

Yeah I got a fake ID there no problem.

 

[noco]

Yeah I got a fake ID there no problem.

It is very easy to get a fake ID in many parts of the world if you are prepared to pay for it......It is rife in Ghana and Nigeria.

 

[Ves]

Yeah I got a fake ID there no problem.

I see what you did there.

 

[McLovin]

I see what you did there.

I'm glad someone got it.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Should have gone with Mohammed, imo.

 

[Tisme]

If you're not going to believe the copy of his birth certificate that was released, what would you actually believe?