Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

We'll have to differ on that. The US is nothing close to the Spanish, British and German Empires. They were part of a mercantile arm of the British Empire and derived their wealth from supply of finished goods prior to WW1. As late as the US civil war, it was fairly well accepted that if the Brits moved to protect their Southern States interests it could have done so, but thought better of it.

There was never any real concerted effort to put in the good fight in 1776 nor 1812, because they had better options elsewhere. The yanks tried it on with Canada, but they backed down quickly once the Brits threatened a heavy hand.

That's your British version of history.

I don't know of any empire that could take people's land, let alone colonies they once own, but thought it's not nice to start another war. Just doesn't happen.

The Poms couldn't retake 'merika after 1812 because Napoleon was knocking at its gates back home. And its better options elsewhere was Australia right after 1776 where the yanks won't accept any more convicts and the other European powers were mapping out the world and asking the Pope for his blessings.

It's only after the short dude got locked up on st Helena [?] that Europe was free to liberate and plunder the world. starting with Africa and moving on East, and South. But not West because the yanks aren't going to play nice, and they got Indian and Mexican blood to prove it.


Not sure why they decided not to invade Canada. Too cold and oil weren't discovered yet me think.

 

[sptrawler]

That'd be like asking the gov't to establish trade policies to increase actual competition instead of more protectionism.

It always boils down to the old argument: for the economy to grow, gov't have got to get tough on the poor but give the rich more loving.

Serious man, that's what all gov't policies boils down to.

How do we help the poor off the dole? Kick their azzes.

No, but if a job is available(that they are qualified for) and they don't want it, should they get the dole?

How do we get the rich and corporations to pay their share of our wealth? Cut their taxes.

Who knows, but we don't seem to be doing well with manufacturing, they are offshoring.
With miners, which find it easy to strip our above ground minerals, no one seems to want to charge them.

How do we afford welfare? We can't! Cut it.

Welfare is a huge problem, that is why we have the boat people problem, Indonesia doesn't seem to be a place they wanted to settle.
We have a system where the next generation pays for the last, it is braking down because the next generation won't have the jobs and are starting to take more welfare than the older generation. Add to that the amount of people arriving later in life, and qualifying for pensions after paying minimal tax, it all becomes onerous.
Therefore the burden is placed on the middle class wage earner, they can't avoid tax, and they get angry.

 

[luutzu]

Who gives a dam who said it...Both Chomsky and Polychroniou are socialists and tarred with the same brush.

The comments made by Polychroniou were absolutely ruthless and typical of the way in which the socialist left wing operate.

Lies..Lies..and more lies and propaganda to discredit a guy who has not yet been given the chance to prove himself........Accept that Trump has won in a democratic way and get over it.

On November 8, 2016, Donald Trump managed to pull the biggest upset in US politics by tapping successfully into the anger of white voters and appealing to the lowest inclinations of people in a manner that would have probably impressed Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels himself.

But what exactly does Trump’s victory mean, and what can one expect from this megalomaniac when he takes over the reins of power on January 20, 2017? What is Trump’s political ideology, if any, and is “Trumpism” a movement? Will US foreign policy be any different under a Trump administration?

For more original Truthout election coverage, check out our election section, “Beyond the Sound Bites: Election 2016.”

Some years ago, public intellectual Noam Chomsky warned that the political climate in the US was ripe for the rise of an authoritarian figure. Now, he shares his thoughts on the aftermath of this election, the moribund state of the US political system and why Trump is a real threat to the world and the planet in general.

C.J. Polychroniou for Truthout: Noam, the unthinkable has happened: In contrast to all forecasts, Donald Trump scored a decisive victory over Hillary Clinton, and the man that Michael Moore described as a “wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full-time sociopath” will be the next president of the United States. In your view, what were the deciding factors that led American voters to produce the biggest upset in the history of US politics?

Noam Chomsky: Before turning to this question, I think it is important to spend a few moments pondering just what happened on November 8, a date that might turn out to be one of the most important in human history, depending on how we react.



Even barnacle Bill said Trump was mad......I bet that went down with the Trump fans in the US.

To call Chomsky a leftist [democrat] is like calling WikiLeak and Julian Assagne a Trump supporter.

They bring us the facts, we the people decide what to do with it.


We should stop thinking that there's this Left and Right stuff in politics.

There's no left or right, there's only the Masters and the Slaves.

Magna Carta gave the Barons and Nobility the legal rights to protect their assets and liberty from the King.

We plebs, through a lot of struggles and fights, wrestled some of that right from the Barons and their descendants - it's mostly rights given in words, not actual deeds as you need money and lawyers if justice fail to see your case.

We've won enough rights that the real owner and masters of ours are afraid of us. So they design Left/Right politics; give up the ballot box and someone they selected for us to choose from etc. etc.

All the while stealing our taxes, enrich themselves, and ask that we keep liking it. And we will as long as we believe that jobs and money and freedom comes from some great leader above.

That's a summary of what Chomsky points out through the many examples of real history of our democracies.


There should be monuments build to the man. That's if we build monuments to people who actually spend their life fighting for the people and not using the people to enrich and empower themselves.

 

[noco]

To call Chomsky a leftist [democrat] is like calling WikiLeak and Julian Assagne a Trump supporter.

They bring us the facts, we the people decide what to do with it.

Facts??????????...Yes so long as they are true and acurate.

You cannot tell me what was in that interview was facts....It was all about discrediting Trump with lies and propaganda.

C.J. Polychroniou for Truthout: Noam, the unthinkable has happened: In contrast to all forecasts, Donald Trump scored a decisive victory over Hillary Clinton, and the man that Michael Moore described as a “wretched, ignorant, dangerous part-time clown and full-time sociopath” will be the next president of the United States. In your view, what were the deciding factors that led American voters to produce the biggest upset in the history of US politics?

Is this what you call facts described by Michael Moore???????????????..FFS

This is typical of the way the Socialist left wing Fabian indoctrination works...They cannot accept democracy.

 

[SirRumpole]

This is typical of the way the Socialist left wing Fabian indoctrination works...They cannot accept democracy.

Trump would not have accepted democracy if he lost. He said so himself, but I don't hear Hilary saying "we wuz robbed".

 

[sptrawler]

Trump would not have accepted democracy if he lost. He said so himself, but I don't hear Hilary saying "we wuz robbed".

No, but you see all her supporters rioting in the streets.

The good old left wing moderates, rioting, because they didn't get their own way, what a suprise. I think not.lol

 

[noco]

Trump would not have accepted democracy if he lost. He said so himself, but I don't hear Hilary saying "we wuz robbed".

I would say Trump was referring to the dirty tricks being played out by the Socialist left......He knew the propaganda being put out by the left could have gone against him and that why he commented about democracy...Democracy is a dirty word with the Democrats and they would stop at nothing to win......Ah La the Mediscare put up by Labor here at the last election.......Unfortunately the naive who were phoned at midnight believed the lies Shorten and Labor were promoting......Win at all costs...that is there motto.
:topic
Yes I know I am off topic with that tit bit.

 

[noco]

I cannot remember in the history of the USA or during my long life, has there been so much attention given to an American Presidential election both here and in the USA.

The lies and the innuendos thrown at Trump during the election campaign and then after his is elected is unbelievable.

Little do they realize it, but the left radicals are giving Trump more strength with their continued criticism...The name calling is working in his favor just as it did for Pauline Hanson here in Australia.

He is certainly getting plenty of publicity and support with his scrapping of the Paris agreement, the banning of any more Muslim immigration and playing to the field of the middle class.

The whole Western World is about to change thanks to Donald Trump and the socialist left around the world and the UN don't like it, hence their all out attack on a man who is prepared to take on this cancer that has slowly crept into our lives.

I do hope a strong leader will emerge in Australia in the shadow of Donald Trump.

 

[SirRumpole]

The lies and the innuendos thrown at Trump during the election campaign and then after his is elected is unbelievable.

You really can't be serious. I think you have lost it. Angel Donald never told any lies at all ? ROFL.

 

[Tisme]

That's your British version of history.

I don't know of any empire that could take people's land, let alone colonies they once own, but thought it's not nice to start another war. Just doesn't happen.

The Poms couldn't retake 'merika after 1812 because Napoleon was knocking at its gates back home. And its better options elsewhere was Australia right after 1776 where the yanks won't accept any more convicts and the other European powers were mapping out the world and asking the Pope for his blessings.

It's only after the short dude got locked up on st Helena [?] that Europe was free to liberate and plunder the world. starting with Africa and moving on East, and South. But not West because the yanks aren't going to play nice, and they got Indian and Mexican blood to prove it.


Not sure why they decided not to invade Canada. Too cold and oil weren't discovered yet me think.

For a fella who questions history, you are pretty quick out of the blocks to accept the fenestrated version of the Colonial American, Louis 16 and Catherinian antagonists.

The Spanish Empire was well before Napoleon , as was the Industrial revolution and Empire in Britain, the French Louis, the Dutch, the Portugese, etc; all predating and flowing over 1783 by a couple of hundred years at least.

The 1812 war started because the US declared war on the UK in a grab for the Canadian territory while Britain was focused on French marching into Moscow. The Brits retaliated by invading the US with a peppercorn force. The yanks still make out they were the victims of a war declared by the poms and still celebrate the low act of the Battle of New Orleans where the far superior British army honouring the Treaty of Ghent had to fend off Andrew Jackson's deliberate blindness to the rules of war etiquette of the time. To the Brits the US was a sideshow that only deserved about 5% of it's military force to beat the US, which it did.

 

[Tisme]

I bet this gets used to break away form the Chinese trade agreements:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-37997706

 

[noco]

You really can't be serious. I think you have lost it. Angel Donald never told any lies at all ? ROFL.

Geez, Rumpy you are now becoming so desperate.......Where did I say he never told any lies?...They are your words not mine.

 

[Ves]

I cannot remember in the history of the USA or during my long life, has there been so much attention given to an American Presidential election both here and in the USA.

That's because you've got the memory of a gold fish.

It's almost unfathomable that you cannot remember the mass protests led by the Tea Party against Obama in 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_Party_protests

And these conspiracy theories before and after his election:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

I'm not sure how you can have a sook about protests against Trump, but turn a blind eye to these.

 

[Ves]

Geez, Rumpy you are now becoming so desperate.......Where did I say he never told any lies?...They are your words not mine.

Actually the reverse is true. You're desperate.

Desperate for a world where only authoritarian right-wing rule is in place. You're not interested in democracy at all, you're just interested in those that agree with your lunatic fringe views being constantly in power.

 

[McLovin]

This thread is hilarious. The noco bot is in full swing.

 

[Ves]

This thread is hilarious. The noco bot is in full swing.

It's pretty amusing, a bloke who hates 18C/D, says he campaigns for free speech, but doesn't want people protesting against Trump.

 

[Tisme]

This thread is hilarious. The noco bot is in full swing.

yeah I like where this is going... popcorn anyone?

 

[McLovin]

It's pretty amusing, a bloke who hates 18C/D, says he campaigns for free speech, but doesn't want people protesting against Trump.

A presidential candidate says he won't accept the result unless he wins. Par for the course, it's the other side's fault. A few thousand people, in a country of 320m, protest because they don't like who the president is. Democracy under threat!

You can't make this cr@p up.

 

[SirRumpole]

A few thousand people, in a country of 320m, protest because they don't like who the president is.

Damn Fabians.

 

[Ves]

A presidential candidate says he won't accept the result unless he wins. Par for the course, it's the other side's fault. A few thousand people, in a country of 320m, protest because they don't like who the president is. Democracy under threat!

You can't make this cr@p up.

By the sounds of it there's at least another 100m "reds" hiding under our the beds of normal, upstanding Americans.

When noco was just a little boy, apparently 75 years ago, his mummy and daddy used to tell him about monsters in the night just like all other law-abiding, decent parents. Whereas most kids at the time were told of awful big hairy Cyclops and nasty little grelims, noco was told of little Russian men wearing Green suits (to hide the red attire underneath) who would steal all your money and assets if you didn't sleep with one eye open.

To this day I hear he wakes up in fits and sweats in the night, just there's no mummy and daddy around to give him a cuddle.... most of the other kids have all grown up though, and realise that monsters under the bed aren't true.