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Haha, indeed a birth certificate that provides evidence to support the right-wing view that they want to be the truth. And if one was found there certainly would be no questions on whether it was fake/illegal or not.
 
McLovin said:
Columbus put them all in to slavery. Spears and hammocks are no match for guns and armour. In the context of imperial Spain, he was probably one of the "friendlier" governors/conquistadors, compared to say Cortes or Nuno de Guzman. The black legend has been overdramatised, but Spain was a pretty brutal coloniser. The Portuguese were worse.
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Dam.

And to think that as a kid reading history at school, I thought these kind of guys were very admirable. Explorers and nation builders and what not. There's this kid's series on Great People and Columbus was one of them.

And just in case it's what they teach in the lower schools, some famous historian in a serious book on Columbus was fawning over the guy - how he's a great man, great sailor and navigator.. .and oh yea, he kill a few million natives, but beside that, he's great.

Still remember reading how Captain Cook as killed and thought, dam savages, why did they kill a great man like that. bloody.

And almost forgot Portugal being an imperial power. Man, I wouldn't be surprised if Luxemburg got a couple colonies too.

Going to put Gibson's Apocalyto and Columbus' 1492 on the watch list.
 
luutzu said:
Dam.

And to think that as a kid reading history at school, I thought these kind of guys were very admirable. Explorers and nation builders and what not. There's this kid's series on Great People and Columbus was one of them.

And just in case it's what they teach in the lower schools, some famous historian in a serious book on Columbus was fawning over the guy - how he's a great man, great sailor and navigator.. .and oh yea, he kill a few million natives, but beside that, he's great.

Still remember reading how Captain Cook as killed and thought, dam savages, why did they kill a great man like that. bloody.

And almost forgot Portugal being an imperial power. Man, I wouldn't be surprised if Luxemburg got a couple colonies too.

Going to put Gibson's Apocalyto and Columbus' 1492 on the watch list.
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I think they have to be viewed in the context of when they were around. Columbus and Cortes were men of their times. Guzman was considered a scumbag even by his contemporaries.

Portugal owned the slave trade. We can get in to those stories, but they're not pretty.
 
McLovin said:
I think they have to be viewed in the context of when they were around. Columbus and Cortes were men of their times. Guzman was considered a scumbag even by his contemporaries.

Portugal owned the slave trade. We can get in to those stories, but they're not pretty.
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I know what you mean, but they're still nasty people though.

I mean, Bush Jr. isn't wrong when he said that history will be kinder to him - you know, use the country's tragedy to lead it into wars, kill a bunch of people, bankrupt the country, threw an entire region into shiet... move back on his range and take up oil painting.

So some historian might just shrug and say, yeaaaa tens of millions ended up dying or dislocated, but it's for oil and Haliburton so what can he do.

Yea, let's not get into the slave trade... i'm out of alcohol to numb the senses.
 
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luutzu said:
I know what you mean, but they're still nasty people though.
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luutzu, not withstanding what remnants of the French colonial penal system you have probably seen in Vietnam, the coffin sized cages stacked on top of each other, rising to several storeys in e.g. Louisiana are another level of cruelty again. The perps were laid flat in the cage and left there for all the world to see, deficating on each other from great heights, eating rotten food, etc.

But before everyone thinks the white man only picked on other people. Have some thought about Scolds Bridle, the Branks Bridle, etc thanks to the Puritans, via the Scots, that kept the women of the world in muted check and later the American colony slaves too.

In the 1600s American colonies the slave auction blocks included Virginia Tobacco Brides, Irish boys, Red Indians and Negros, Jews, etc. Anyone was slave material and treated severely by the paternal leaders, even their own were brutalised if they strayed the path.

Those are the good 'ol days that old men like to reminisce as being the lost behaviours of manhood.

I doubt any of us can fathom the depth of state sanctioned cruelty of the past, even including the convict era in Oz, and little wonder the advent of organised united labour unions in colonial Australia and industrial England and it being used as a vehicle to carry the socialist dogma.
 
I can't believe it took the socialist ABC so long to join the Trump bashers and right from the top too.

And Jelly Mally does nothing about it.

Maybe Turnbull wants to stay on the good side of the left wing ABC in case things blow up with Abbott.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...g/news-story/95a5bce2c4f045a7d652e521c3bfad74


The ABC is required by law to be impartial, in exchange for $1 billion a year of taxpayer funding. But Donald Trump has exposed the bias of a dozen ABC presenters, and now Liberal MPs are demanding action.

This hijacking of the ABC must end.


Government MPs have called on ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie to explain why some of the public broadcaster’s top on-air *talent expressed views stridently against president-elect Donald Trump in the lead-up to his victory.

At least a dozen of the ABC’s high-profile radio and television presenters, including Insiders host Barrie Cassidy, PM host Mark Colvin and journalist Annabel Crabb, expressed their disdain for the “nightmare” of a Trump presidency and asked if there was an “off switch” for his campaign.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott slammed what he said was a public display of bias, showing the organisation didn’t reflect diverse views.

“The only diversity the ABC lacks is intellectual diversity,” he said. “No conservative listening to ‘our’ ABC’s current affairs programs could think that his or her views were getting a fair go...”

Cassidy posted on Twitter on the day of the election as results poured in that the “nightmare” of a Trump presidency had been defeated. “Trump cannot win. The nightmare is over,” he tweeted...

In October, he shared a link to an article saying Trump would lose the election, with the comment: “I reckon that part — that he’ll lose big time — is the only believable bit in the whole tawdry exercise.”

Paul Barry, host of the ABC’s Media Watch program, shared a link to an article ridiculing comments made by Trump with the remark: “Another ridiculous Trump porkie. And this man could be US president”.

Crabb wrote in mid-October: “Donald Trump makes his first post-debate appearance …. Where is the off switch for this campaign.”

Wendy Harmer, host of the ABC Sydney’s Mornings radio program, posted in response to an article with the headline ‘The four words that just lost Donald Trump the election: Hello, I’m Donald Trump”. “Shouldn’t be surprised, I guess,” she wrote last month, “that Trump’s ‘best’ joke was using his wife as a punchline. Humiliating.”

Joe O’Brien, who hosts ABC News 24’s morning news program, shared an article with the comment: “Yet another example of *Donald Trump’s reworking of *reality.”...

Former ABC chairman *Maurice Newman said the comments from an array of senior presenters meant the ABC should consider apologising for how it *reported on Trump’s campaign and victory...

Ms Guthrie must consider broadening her scope when seeking to diversify the ABC to include greater differences in opinion, Mr Newman said.

“She talks a lot about diversity, but she talks about ethnic diversity rather than diversity of *opinions,” he said.

“If you look at the current affairs and comedy programs, they all have a left-wing bias — it’s not just anecdotal, it’s demonstrable.”

The bias is not just inexcusable but unlawful. This is the Left misusing taxpayer funds to push their agenda.

Control the media and you have control of the naïve.
 
noco said:
I can't believe it took the socialist ABC so long to join the Trump bashers and right from the top too.

And Jelly Mally does nothing about it.

Maybe Turnbull wants to stay on the good side of the left wing ABC in case things blow up with Abbott.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...g/news-story/95a5bce2c4f045a7d652e521c3bfad74


The ABC is required by law to be impartial, in exchange for $1 billion a year of taxpayer funding. But Donald Trump has exposed the bias of a dozen ABC presenters, and now Liberal MPs are demanding action.

This hijacking of the ABC must end.


Government MPs have called on ABC managing director Michelle Guthrie to explain why some of the public broadcaster’s top on-air *talent expressed views stridently against president-elect Donald Trump in the lead-up to his victory.

At least a dozen of the ABC’s high-profile radio and television presenters, including Insiders host Barrie Cassidy, PM host Mark Colvin and journalist Annabel Crabb, expressed their disdain for the “nightmare” of a Trump presidency and asked if there was an “off switch” for his campaign.

Former prime minister Tony Abbott slammed what he said was a public display of bias, showing the organisation didn’t reflect diverse views.

“The only diversity the ABC lacks is intellectual diversity,” he said. “No conservative listening to ‘our’ ABC’s current affairs programs could think that his or her views were getting a fair go...”

Cassidy posted on Twitter on the day of the election as results poured in that the “nightmare” of a Trump presidency had been defeated. “Trump cannot win. The nightmare is over,” he tweeted...

In October, he shared a link to an article saying Trump would lose the election, with the comment: “I reckon that part ”” that he’ll lose big time ”” is the only believable bit in the whole tawdry exercise.”

Paul Barry, host of the ABC’s Media Watch program, shared a link to an article ridiculing comments made by Trump with the remark: “Another ridiculous Trump porkie. And this man could be US president”.

Crabb wrote in mid-October: “Donald Trump makes his first post-debate appearance …. Where is the off switch for this campaign.”

Wendy Harmer, host of the ABC Sydney’s Mornings radio program, posted in response to an article with the headline ‘The four words that just lost Donald Trump the election: Hello, I’m Donald Trump”. “Shouldn’t be surprised, I guess,” she wrote last month, “that Trump’s ‘best’ joke was using his wife as a punchline. Humiliating.”

Joe O’Brien, who hosts ABC News 24’s morning news program, shared an article with the comment: “Yet another example of *Donald Trump’s reworking of *reality.”...

Former ABC chairman *Maurice Newman said the comments from an array of senior presenters meant the ABC should consider apologising for how it *reported on Trump’s campaign and victory...

Ms Guthrie must consider broadening her scope when seeking to diversify the ABC to include greater differences in opinion, Mr Newman said.

“She talks a lot about diversity, but she talks about ethnic diversity rather than diversity of *opinions,” he said.

“If you look at the current affairs and comedy programs, they all have a left-wing bias ”” it’s not just anecdotal, it’s demonstrable.”

The bias is not just inexcusable but unlawful. This is the Left misusing taxpayer funds to push their agenda.

Control the media and you have control of the naïve.
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Trump was and still is a nightmare. We just haven't woken up yet.
 
SirRumpole said:
Trump was and still is a nightmare. We just haven't woken up yet.
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Trump is the democratically elected choice of the USA, the ABC should simply report the news and facts.

If you disagree with the democratic process, what would you replace it with ?
 
macca said:
Trump is the democratically elected choice of the USA, the ABC should simply report the news and facts.

If you disagree with the democratic process, what would you replace it with ?
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The democratic process is that people can state their opinions whether you like them or not. Andrew Bolt and the shock jocks do it all the time.

As for the democratic process in the US, maybe they should hold the election at the weekend so that more people can turn out. As is it's biased against the poor working class who can't get the time off work to vote.
 
Be interesting to see if Donald is an Anglospheric and how that would benefit us.
 
SirRumpole said:
The democratic process is that people can state their opinions whether you like them or not. Andrew Bolt and the shock jocks do it all the time.

As for the democratic process in the US, maybe they should hold the election at the weekend so that more people can turn out. As is it's biased against the poor working class who can't get the time off work to vote.
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I have always found it odd that the USA has the election during the week, I also find it odd that they hold the biggest game of Footy during the week as well.
 
macca said:
I have always found it odd that the USA has the election during the week, I also find it odd that they hold the biggest game of Footy during the week as well.
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Sunday is for worship and it takes a day for the horse and buggy to get to the polling booth after the Sabbath.
 
Tisme said:
Sunday is for worship and it takes a day for the horse and buggy to get to the polling booth after the Sabbath.
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That's right. It also needs to be in November so that the crop has been harvested, but winter hasn't arrived making roads impassable.
 
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