Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Logique]

....The kind of socialism the Left, I am assuming, want is the kind of policies that actually made Western democracies the kind of place people the world over love. It made possible the lore of poor kids making it in the world through hardwork and studies etc.; it demand that the poor and the sick should be cared for by the state; it demand safe and fair work practices etc. etc.

These fundamental changes since WW2 have and are being systematically dismantled - it's happening right now as we speak. ANd it's not being done in by refugees or Muslims or the poor - it's being done in by the rich and the powerful. Clean shaven, well spoken henchman....

I hope the campaign managers of all minor parties read this. The next Fed election is a prime opportunity to take votes off the majors.

Turnbull has good polling, yes, but how many will actually vote Coalition when the time comes.

 

[SirRumpole]

These fundamental changes since WW2 have and are being systematically dismantled - it's happening right now as we speak. ANd it's not being done in by refugees or Muslims or the poor - it's being done in by the rich and the powerful. Clean shaven, well spoken henchman.

Yes we are running headlong into a corporatocracy where all our essential services will be supplied by people who want to make a profit out of us.

Electricity, water, health, banking, transport, communications have all been or are being privatised by the Neo Cons usually by stealth with dirty deals like guaranteed profits for decades hidden under the veil of "commercial in confidence" which we only find out after it's too late.

The Greens are looking like a better bet for me at the next election, not that it will do any good because the Neanderthals (Nationals) have my seat sown up.

 

[Logique]

As PM Turnbull has exhorted us - we'll just have to be 'agile' and 'innovative' - at the ballot box.

 

[Tisme]

Yes we are running headlong into a corporatocracy where all our essential services will be supplied by people who want to make a profit out of us.

Electricity, water, health, banking, transport, communications have all been or are being privatised by the Neo Cons usually by stealth with dirty deals like guaranteed profits for decades hidden under the veil of "commercial in confidence" which we only find out after it's too late.

The Greens are looking like a better bet for me at the next election, not that it will do any good because the Neanderthals (Nationals) have my seat sown up.

I think the Nationals are reinventing themselves. Dragging Ian Macfarlan back into the fold is logical given his roots in Agforce and the old guard getting themselves on telly there must be something going on...perhaps seizing the opportunity to escape the shackles of Abbott while Turnbull is looking away.....

True labor is the domain of the young and impetuous, true Liberal is the domain of the exhausted ...... somewhere along the way the SS Enterprise landed and Spock mind melded the two resulting in two conceited hybrids of the one persuasion who are enraged at seeing their own reflections across the floor in parliament.

Economic Managers: Labour X Liberal X
Infrastructure Managers : Labor X Liberal X
Truth in Practice: Labor X Liberal X
Uncompromised Performance: Labor X Liberal X
Servile to USA and GB: Labor √ Liberal √

At least Malcolm is trying to reintroduce the Keating and Hawke good bits in trying to kick start us from the long one generation sleep we've been in.

 

[luutzu]

As PM Turnbull has exhorted us - we'll just have to be 'agile' and 'innovative' - at the ballot box.

Yes. Else Bronwyn Bishop will stick around. Read that she want to stay in politics to fight terrorism, no, serious. And to show she really mean it she's heading over to Israel for a "study tour".

The Israeli obviously know how to deal with terrorism seeing they've been at it some 50 years and things are going very well for the Israeli people there.

 

[luutzu]

Yes we are running headlong into a corporatocracy where all our essential services will be supplied by people who want to make a profit out of us.

Electricity, water, health, banking, transport, communications have all been or are being privatised by the Neo Cons usually by stealth with dirty deals like guaranteed profits for decades hidden under the veil of "commercial in confidence" which we only find out after it's too late.

The Greens are looking like a better bet for me at the next election, not that it will do any good because the Neanderthals (Nationals) have my seat sown up.

Labor seem to have my area stitched up too. Dam Muslims. haha... There was a candidate whose first name was "Jihad", not sure how he went.

Private enterprise and innovation is all well and good, but why would you, if you look after the people's interests, be selling out the essentials? How much innovation could be made in electricity or water or banking and homeloans? And if efficiency and competitiveness etc. were gained, why would private investor be passing it on to its customers?

It's like a family would sell their only car and catches taxi everywhere - new car each time and the car are always newer models.

 

[basilio]

Something that is evolving in the US through Donald Trump is the acceptance of violence to Muslims. He just adds fuel and match to the hundreds of thousands of people who already despise "towleheads" and need only a little shove to attack Muslims at random. There is an interesting article on this from a hate crime expert.

“Donald Trump is the new face of white supremacy,” says hate crime expert.
August 24, 2015 ~ Randy Blazak

Before you think this article is “just one liberal’s opinion,” let me briefly say I have dedicated my life to studying racism. I earned my PhD from Emory University in 1995 after spending several years doing ethnographic field studies of white supremacist groups. I have published books and articles in peer-reviewed journals on the subject and have appeared on more TV shows than I can remember discussing how hate works. In my 20 years at Portland State University, I interviewed scores of committed racists, from teenage skinheads to racist murderers and founders of Nazi prison gangs. So when I say that presidential candidate Donald Trump is a racist hate-monger it’s not just a political pejorative. He has a constitutional right to hold and express racist views, but using those views to manipulate the intellectually vulnerable and mobilize active bigots requires a coherent response. As an expert on hate, I am more than comfortable stating that either Trump is a virulent racist or that he is willing to perform racism and use racism of others to advance his political position

http://watchingthewheelsdad.net/201...ce-of-white-supremacy-says-hate-crime-expert/

It's also interesting to see the people who are now coming out to support him in his quest for Presidency.

http://www.trendingninjas.com/celeb...ain&utm_medium=BriH&utm_campaign=O4&utm_term=

He is changing the conversation.

 

[basilio]

There is another excellent analysis examining why the Republican message has become so extreme. Compelling and scary. Explains Trump to a T.

Explainer: Why are Republicans so extreme these days?

Date
December 11, 2015 - 1:03PM

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There have always been candidates and voters with extreme views but in recent years they have seemingly taken over the Republican Party. From the George W. Bush-engineered invasion of Iraq, to the runaway candidacy of Donald Trump, the Republicans are no longer a party of restraint or discipline. Why?

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/wor...ns-so-extreme-these-days-20151210-gll2ev.html

 

[SirRumpole]

There is another excellent analysis examining why the Republican message has become so extreme. Compelling and scary. Explains Trump to a T.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/wor...ns-so-extreme-these-days-20151210-gll2ev.html

I wonder if it is so scary.

The more Right and wacky they are the less chance they have of getting elected imo, if the situation with middle class salaries is so bad I doubt people would take refuge in a corporation dominated party.

 

[wayneL]

It's a reaction to the Dumbocrats moving to the left basilio. I mean could you get any more loopy than Bernie?

Strange days indeed.

 

[luutzu]

It's a reaction to the Dumbocrats moving to the left basilio. I mean could you get any more loopy than Bernie?

Strange days indeed.

They're not moving to the Left, Sifu.

Bernie is now considered a loony left when his platform is what president Eisenhower and his Republican party ran on. That general was no peacenik or commie. Just show how far right US politic has gone since.

Guys like Trump wouldn't win the general election, we hope... but he certainly steer them Yanks a few more inches to the Right this season.

 

[wayneL]

They're not moving to the Left, Sifu.

Bernie is now considered a loony left when his platform is what president Eisenhower and his Republican party ran on. That general was no peacenik or commie. Just show how far right US politic has gone since.

Guys like Trump wouldn't win the general election, we hope... but he certainly steer them Yanks a few more inches to the Right this season.

Bernie is no Eisenhower luutzu, that is a slight to a great president, grasshopper.

 

[luutzu]

Bernie is no Eisenhower luutzu, that is a slight to a great president, grasshopper.

Alright so maybe Bernie's no Eisenhower the Allied Supreme Commander. But I'm not wrong about Ike being a Lefty.

 

[basilio]

Great piece of research on the policies of resident Eisenhower Luutzu. I'm assuming they are accurate.

It certainly makes one think about the change in overall political direction since the 50's. I wonder how far the Eisenhower administration actually followed their platform. ?

 

[luutzu]

Great piece of research on the policies of resident Eisenhower Luutzu. I'm assuming they are accurate.

It certainly makes one think about the change in overall political direction since the 50's. I wonder how far the Eisenhower administration actually followed their platform. ?

I think they are. Heard it before from different sources that he, and his republicans, would be considered a Socialist in the current political spectrum.

There's that famous farewell speech of his warning Americans on unwarranted political influence; the growing military industrial complex; how each warships, each warplane mean a school is not built etc.

Then there's the US interstate highway project under his admin; union seems to be still the thing back then; highest income tax was 92% or something.

Seems he's a perfect example of the adage that only those who are experienced in war know its horror and know the best way to carry or not to carry it out.

So you have an actual warrior king warning of military excesses, then you have an AWOL pilot defending US skies from the VCs calling himself the War President because he started a couple abroad and a bigger one at home on his people's privacy... and everyone in between who didn't much flinch when they say they'd wipe Iran clean because they love Israel that much; or tag a chip to Muslims because a GPS tag is not at all the same as a tatooed serial number.

 

[Knobby22]

So Donald Trump looks like winning Republican nomination. What should the Republican establishment do?
Bring back a 19th century way of picking the nomination that was last used 60 years ago to create an alternative.
The problem is who is going to be the other guy? And even if that person manages to knock old Donald off, will anyone vote for them?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...blicans-discuss-brokered-convention/77139938/

 

[Tisme]

Alright so maybe Bernie's no Eisenhower the Allied Supreme Commander. But I'm not wrong about Ike being a Lefty.

Compared to Regan and Thatcher they were left, but historically they were just nation builders who knew the value of a healthy and motivated workforce. They had also come out of a war into another then into another, so they had to be and act like a republic.

 

[wayneL]

Alright so maybe Bernie's no Eisenhower the Allied Supreme Commander. But I'm not wrong about Ike being a Lefty.

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What you are missing is the context of the times, grasshopper.

Would Ike espouse the same generalized policies in todays political climate. I would bet not all.

 

[Knobby22]

What you are missing is the context of the times, grasshopper.

Would Ike espouse the same generalized policies in todays political climate. I would bet not all.

Yes, nearly everyone voted in those days.

 

[luutzu]

What you are missing is the context of the times, grasshopper.

Would Ike espouse the same generalized policies in todays political climate. I would bet not all.

Who knows. But point was that politics in the US, also in Europe and to a fair degree Australia... has shifted Right and what was a Right/Republican/Liberal platform are now considered the left loonies.

In 1907 [around there right?], the Russian Czars and his nobility were overthrown.

When Franklin D Roosevelt first took office in 1933, a second American revolution was about to ignite - there were angry farmers and desperate people who's just about had it with capitalism and their cronies - and Socialism sounds like a nice change. There were riots in some part of the country.

In Germany, well they add Nationalism to their Socialism and about the take on the world just a few years back.


So when a country shifts so far Right that it does not benefit, but impoverish, the majority of the population... sooner or later one of those three incidents will happen.

There is a fourth, but external invasion won't happen to the US given its crazy numbers of nukes and other hardware all over the place. But it's not inconceivable that a Caesar rise from its rank and start dismantling the current structure and build new ones with himself and friends at the top.

Rome was a republic, somewhat democratic too... with the Senate and all those people voted law givers. Got on well for some 700 years until a half-bald egomaniac crosses the Rubicon.

History doesn't end in our age right? Well... it could conceivably end given potential of nuclear Armageddon.


anyway, here's another Republican who's gone over to the dark side. Maybe he didn't go anywhere, just the light has been switched off around him.