Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Knobby22]

It appears that the Bush mark II type guys (Bush and Rubio) and the true Conservatives (Cruz) are not where the actual Republican voters want to go. And no wonder! the Republicans need a major rethink on what they want to achieve. I have read many articles on this and it is quite fascinating.

Trump is a wake up call that changes should have happened 10 years ago.

 

[DB008]

Go Donald! Upsetting someone who more than likely had links/helped 9/11 and beheads people in his own country for 'witchcraft' and Saudi has also given massive donations to Hillary.

Saudi Prince Urges American Voters To ‘Make The Right Choice’ On Donald Trump​

WASHINGTON ”” Representatives of foreign allies tend to tiptoe around the issue of U.S. elections, hesitant to risk offending a candidate who may later be elected president. But the ascension of real estate mogul Donald Trump to the position of the presumptive Republican nominee has compelled some foreign officials to try to sway American voters away from backing the bombastic candidate.

With carefully chosen words, Prince Turki al-Faisal, a former ambassador to the U.S., warned against a Trump presidency. “For the life of me, I cannot believe that a country like the United States can afford to have someone as president who simply says, ‘These people are not going to be allowed to come to the United States,’” Turki said on Thursday evening, referring to Trump’s proposal to ban Muslims from entering the country.

“It’s up to you, it’s not up to me,” Turki continued, speaking at a Washington Institute For Near East Policy dinner hosted at the Mandarin Oriental hotel. “I just hope you, as American citizens, will make the right choice in November.”

The former top Saudi intelligence chief is known for his close relationships with U.S. officials and his ability to charm an American audience, even as the United States grows more critical of the Gulf state’s dismal human rights record at home and high-casualty war in Yemen.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/entry/prince-turki-donald-trump_us_572c1fd2e4b096e9f090e769?section=australia​

 

[wayneL]

It appears that the Bush mark II type guys (Bush and Rubio) and the true Conservatives (Cruz) are not where the actual Republican voters want to go. And no wonder! the Republicans need a major rethink on what they want to achieve. I have read many articles on this and it is quite fascinating.

Trump is a wake up call that changes should have happened 10 years ago.

Very true. The GOP needs an Eisenhower

 

[basilio]

Welcome to the age of Trump.

Around the world democracy is fading as the way to run our countries. I was just reading an excellent analysis of why Donald Trump (and his fellow autocrats) are so successful. As a sample consider this

The World Values Survey of 2011 included a stunning figure. It found that 34% of Americans approved of “having a strong leader who doesn’t have to bother with Congress or elections”, the figure rising to 42% among those with no education beyond high school. It’s worth reading that again, to let it sink in. It means that one in three US voters would prefer a dictator to democracy. Those Americans are not repudiating this or that government, but abandoning the very idea of democracy itself.

These figures reinforce a pattern revealed by recent academic research that shows a body of US opinion predisposed toward liberal democracy’s polar opposite: authoritarianism.

This is a long read but worth the effort. Where are we going ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/19/welcome-to-the-age-of-trump

 

[luutzu]

Welcome to the age of Trump.

Around the world democracy is fading as the way to run our countries. I was just reading an excellent analysis of why Donald Trump (and his fellow autocrats) are so successful. As a sample consider this



This is a long read but worth the effort. Where are we going ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/19/welcome-to-the-age-of-trump

I think some survey couple years back found the US Congress have something like 5% favorability. The current election/primaries showed how fed up the American people are with establishment candidates... I mean Trump isn't your typical Republican, if he is that; same with Sanders.

Both these guys are practically outsiders pretending to be Dems/Republicans so they can have a platform. With Trump a stage to promote himself but somehow got lucky; with Sanders beating up both the DNC and all its backers.

If the DNC managed to get Clinton in and Sander is out... I think Trump will win. That might not be as scary as it sounds because it'll just mean the inevitable revolution just got there 8 years sooner.

Hopefully Sanders win and managed to do half the stuff he proposes... it may bring back the New Deal that saved Americans from a civil bloodbath - as it most certainly would have if FDR and activists weren't there to forced it.

 

[moXJO]

Welcome to the age of Trump.

Around the world democracy is fading as the way to run our countries. I was just reading an excellent analysis of why Donald Trump (and his fellow autocrats) are so successful. As a sample consider this



This is a long read but worth the effort. Where are we going ?

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/19/welcome-to-the-age-of-trump

I agree that the world appears to be looking for dictators. It's not just the US. I haven't read the article yet. But I would also suspect that people want to put their countries and those living in it first. And not pander to outside laws, or governing bodies.
China and Russia are already grabbing land. Seismic shifts over the next decade IMO.

 

[SirRumpole]

Donald Trump was asked if he could quote any Bible verses.



He answered: Trump 20:16, "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Deport him and you won't have to feed him again."

 

[luutzu]

Donald Trump was asked if he could quote any Bible verses.



He answered: Trump 20:16, "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Deport him and you won't have to feed him again."

Trump probably received more welfare than all the Mexican illegals combined.

There's the usual tax cuts and offshore havens; the bankruptcy law that allow him to "manage" businesses, pay himself bucket loads, goes bankrupt, lose his investors all their cash... and his investors cannot touch his other assets. Bankrupt his casinos at least four times...

This guy is a pathological liar. He even brags about his lying in his autobiography - The Art of the Deal.

There's the somewhat harmless lie to promote himself to other business people; then the definitely borderline illegal lie of asking his construction crew to dig and bulldoze dirt around an empty lot - showing progress and busy work - as he tries to smooth his investors out of their money.

He'll definitely give Hillary a run for her money.

 

[Macquack]

Trump probably received more welfare than all the Mexican illegals combined.

There's the usual tax cuts and offshore havens; the bankruptcy law that allow him to "manage" businesses, pay himself bucket loads, goes bankrupt, lose his investors all their cash... and his investors cannot touch his other assets. Bankrupt his casinos at least four times...

This guy is a pathological liar. He even brags about his lying in his autobiography - The Art of the Deal.

There's the somewhat harmless lie to promote himself to other business people; then the definitely borderline illegal lie of asking his construction crew to dig and bulldoze dirt around an empty lot - showing progress and busy work - as he tries to smooth his investors out of their money.

He'll definitely give Hillary a run for her money.

I agree with you luutzu except I don't think he will give Hillary Clinton a run for her money.

If Donald Trump was not a billionaire, he would just be your typical loud mouth fool who would be generally ignored.

If he did not have an army of minders, there would be an army of people who would love to knock him out.

Donald Trump is a disgrace to the human race, but the German people elected Adolf Hitler.

On second thought, you are probably right as usual, luutzu.

 

[qldfrog]

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On second thought, you are probably right as usual, luutzu.

Luutzu is probably right in the above , yes but not "as usual"

 

[Logique]

I agree that the world appears to be looking for dictators. It's not just the US. I haven't read the article yet. But I would also suspect that people want to put their countries and those living in it first. And not pander to outside laws, or governing bodies.
China and Russia are already grabbing land. Seismic shifts over the next decade IMO.

Indeed so.

There was a seismic shift on 15 March, 44 BC. Julius Caesar's end presaged the end of the Roman republic. Dictators thereafter.

In contemporary times, rampant "thought policing" and political correctness, and

dysfunctional parliaments.

Is it any wonder.

 

[Logique]

l'd vote for Trump over Clinton any day of the week.

Clinton is a flat out liar saying anything to get votes. At least with Trump; he can't be bought and isn't pandering to political correctness of the left. Speaking his mind, breath of fresh-air in politics. He might be taken out before he makes it to the White House.

He has been mocked for the wall he wants to build on the USA/Mexican border. He is right though.

https://mobile.twitter.com/ChatRevolve/status/723651352212054016/video/1​

Hillary should be seen in mug shot profile.

As I've repeatedly said, a future under a President Hillary is equally, if not more frightening than under a President Trump.

Some people just should not be given too much power.

 

[luutzu]

I agree with you luutzu except I don't think he will give Hillary Clinton a run for her money.

If Donald Trump was not a billionaire, he would just be your typical loud mouth fool who would be generally ignored.

If he did not have an army of minders, there would be an army of people who would love to knock him out.

Donald Trump is a disgrace to the human race, but the German people elected Adolf Hitler.

On second thought, you are probably right as usual, luutzu.

Yea, Trump is quite something. But honestly, I don't think he's any worst or any better than Hillary Clinton - both as a person and as a president. And that is scary.

Trump seems worst than Hillary in that he actually say the bs that he thinks... Clinton don't say the nasty stuff, she just does it - for a price.

We don't like Trump for being racist and nasty towards Mexican, refugees etc., Bill Clinton not only continue the war on drugs - a mask to lock up poor white trash and small time black/coloured drug users and dealers with targeted policing; they ramp that up with those Three Strike rules; then profit their friends and donors further with privatising the US prison system.

Then there's the NAFTA trade deal that screwed over Mexican farmers, sending millions of them off their land, going broke and some having to escape over the US border for a job to send some money back home.

Or if we're worried about Trump and his tiny itchy fingers... Hillary was the main force behind the overthrow of Libya's Gahdafi - her staff were drafting that ballsiness into her potential run for president when it look like it's going to be a cakewalk; then there's her push for Obama to send the troops to overthrow Assad - that failed so she want No Fly Zones over it; there's her threat about nuking Iran if it look at Israel funny or something etc. etc.

So what crazy warmongering and uprooting of the poor and the weak we fear Trump might do, Clinton had already done it. And what's worst is she doesn't think there's anything wrong with it.

Or take bribery and being bought off... Trump will definitely sell the heck out of himself and the American public... So has the Clintons. They've got $3 billion in donation to their "charity" so far; gotten some $140M in speaking fees alone past 10 years... and there's plenty of allegations of way too many happy coincidences of generous people giving the Clinton Foundations and/or hiring one of them for upwards of $750k per speech... they then got money back on those investment.


So yea, Trump can just call his accountant and ask for a receipt to the Clintons. Doesn't take a genius to come up with something like: Hillary is so corrupt, the system is so corrupt that an entreprenuer like myself, an honest god-loving American loving patriot like meself have to, have to, give money to these politicians or else they'll make my company a living hell I'd have to fire Americans and hire Mexicans.

So Clinton is not going to win against Trump. Scary as it is, he has a better case of being honest and caring than she does.

But I wouldn't be too worry about it, Sanders still have a real shot at beating her. Given all the rigging the DNC has done for her, she's still barely ahead. And with a potential FBI indictment; civil cases against her email server and potential back-scratching and those speeches to the bankers leaking... Hard to see how the Super delegates will want her now that Sanders has been doing a heck of a job against her, and polling show he could easily beat Trump as oppose to Clinton possibly tying against Trump.

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu is probably right in the above , yes but not "as usual"

Write enough and the odds will stack in your favour

 

[qldfrog]

Write enough and the odds will stack in your favour

And you are right again!!
Have a nice week guys(and girls).

 

[luutzu]

And you are right again!!
Have a nice week guys(and girls).

latest polls show Trump is beating Clinton. Still within a margin of error but him being ahead is very different from her being some 9 points ahead of him in March.

With Clinton and Trump fighting each other while Sanders and the Democratic nomination are still around... Clinton will get bruised by Trump's attacks... and Sanders will have a better case to the super delegates come July.

He could win this thing.

 

[Logique]

Trump just needs to get voters to turn out, to neutralize the black/Hispanic Democrat vote.

'Crooked Hillary' - Trump's label, that will stick.

 

[basilio]

There is an ongoing Court case against Trump University brought by some pretty unhappy clients.

Essentially Trump University offered hugely expensive short term real estate courses to enable people to "live the dream"

Price? The Elite Gold Package was $35,000 for a three day course. What has come up in the court case has been the publication of the playbooks used by the sales staff to separate prospective suckers from their $35k.

Examples.

The playbook contains long sections telling Trump U team members how to identify buyers and push them to sign up for the most expensive package, and to put the cost on their credit cards.

“If they can afford the gold elite don’t allow them to think about doing anything besides the gold elite,” the document states.

If potential students hesitate, teachers are told to read this script.

As one of your mentors for the last three days, it’s time for me to push you out of your comfort zone. It’s time for you to be 100% honest with yourself. You’ve had your entire adult life to accomplish your financial goals. I’m looking at your profile and you’re not even close to where you need to be, much less where you want to be. It’s time you fix your broken plan, bring in Mr. Trump’s top instructors and certified millionaire mentors and allow us to put you and keep you on the right track. Your plan is BROKEN and WE WILL help you fix it. Remember you have to be 100% honest with yourself!

Trump University staff are instructed in how to persuade students to put the cost of the course on their credit cards, even if they have just battled to pay off debts.

Do you like living paycheck to paycheck? ... Do you enjoy seeing everyone else but yourself in their dream houses and driving their dreams cars with huge checking accounts? Those people saw an opportunity, and didn’t make excuses, like what you’re doing now.

Trump staff are told to spend lunch breaks in sign-up seminars “planting seeds” in potential students minds about how their lives won’t improve unless they join the programme. They are also told to ask students personal questions to discover weaknesses that could be exploited to help seal the deal.

Collect personalized information that you can utilize during closing time. (For example: are they a single parent of three children that may need money for food? Or are they a middle-aged commuter that is tired of traveling for 2 hours to work each day?)

And surprise, surprise ? Trump has turned around and attacked the presiding judge .

Trump hit back calling Curiel a “hater”, a “total disgrace” and “biased”. “I have a judge who is a hater of Donald Trump. A hater. He’s a hater,” Trump said at a rally near the courthouse in San Diego. “His name is Gonzalo Curiel. And he is not doing the right thing ... [He] happens to be, we believe, Mexican.”

Truly, Trump is the spawn of the devil.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/may/31/donald-trump-university-playbook-real-estate-courses

 

[basilio]

Other Media has detailed further information on how Trump University pressured it's prospects. Powerful stuff.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/en..._574dff7ee4b0af73af95b726?section=austr alia

 

[wayneL]

Damn I hope Trump wins. Then the USccan have its very own Berlusconi.

The perfect antidote to the Obama Zombie State years, hemorrhaging prestige to point of being a laughing stock