Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Gringotts Bank]

Would you care to reconsider your views GringottsBank ?

The moment a country says "who are we?" and can't answer it because there's so many competing cultures, there's a big problem. There's fragmentation and confusion.

Countries need an identity if they are to thrive. They can't thrive without an identity. Multi-culturalism erodes identity. He's attempting to restore that.

What bothers me most is the lefties who sing about multi-culturalism, then only mix with their little clique (same colour, same religion, same school, same part of the city). Walk into any public space, restaurant, bar and find the same thing. 'Like' mixing only with 'like', all in separate little divided groups according to colour mostly, and yet they defend multi-culturalism like their life depended on it. Very typical of the brainwashed masses. It is very rare that anyone actually mixes outside their own culture.

So, getting back to the question. Trump is attempting to re-create the old America, which was much more homogenous. It won't work, but that's what he's trying to do because he knows unity/homgeneity will translate into prosperity. You can't have prosperity when all the little cultures are divided. Cultural mixing is good, but if you get too much of it, you got problems. Particularly so if the differences are vast - and they are.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Here's a good analogy.

Imagine two rowing boats in a race - coxed fours. One is crewed by a group of guys so similar to each other they are like brothers. They along like a house on fire. The other boat is like the proverbial joke - an Englishman, Iranian, African and Chinaman. I don't need to finish...

Winning isn't everything, but we need to decide what's more important because you can't win when there's division and different agendas in the one boat. Maybe having a mixed crew is a better goal. Is it?

 

[SirRumpole]

Here's a good analogy.

Imagine two rowing boats in a race - coxed fours. One is crewed by a group of guys so similar to each other they are like brothers. They along like a house on fire. The other boat is like the proverbial joke - an Englishman, Iranian, African and Chinaman. I don't need to finish...

Winning isn't everything, but we need to decide what's more important because you can't win when there's division and different agendas in the one boat. Maybe having a mixed crew is a better goal. Is it?

I take the view that multiculturalism is ok up to a point, the difficulty is finding where that point is.

If you have people that want to obey different sets of rules from the majority, then that's a problem, but you also get friction just when one group gets too large and the others don't like it.

Fiji had a military coup because the Indian Fijians had too much power and influence for the indigenous Fijian's and they didn't like it. The same could happen here at some stage if a particular ethnic group was considered to be running things for themselves but that's probably a long way off.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I take the view that multiculturalism is ok up to a point, the difficulty is finding where that point is.

If you have people that want to obey different sets of rules from the majority, then that's a problem, but you also get friction just when one group gets too large and the others don't like it.

Fiji had a military coup because the Indian Fijians had too much power and influence for the indigenous Fijian's and they didn't like it. The same could happen here at some stage if a particular ethnic group was considered to be running things for themselves but that's probably a long way off.

Well Melbourne CBD was absolutely swamped by Chinese last week for their New Year and the media was encouraging Melbournians to celebrate it. What on earth is going on? Does our whole city grind to a halt when Octoberfest is running? Thanks Giving Day? Lapland's national day? This is a numbers game and the minority cultures know it. They want to impose their culture on us by sheer numbers. Muslims are the same. If they had their way, we'd all be observing Ramadan.

Look: if people are happy to lose their culture and be taken over by other country's cultures, that's their choice. But it's not my choice.

 

[Ves]

Here's a good analogy.

Imagine two rowing boats in a race - coxed fours. One is crewed by a group of guys so similar to each other they are like brothers. They along like a house on fire. The other boat is like the proverbial joke - an Englishman, Iranian, African and Chinaman. I don't need to finish...

Winning isn't everything, but we need to decide what's more important because you can't win when there's division and different agendas in the one boat. Maybe having a mixed crew is a better goal. Is it?

It's not a good analogy, because the real world is full of successful sporting teams that have been comprised of a mixture of different cultures and other backgrounds.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

It's not a good analogy, because the real world is full of successful sporting teams that have been comprised of a mixture of different cultures and other backgrounds.

What, like the Australian Davis Cup team of the last few years? I can't think of any.

 

[Tink]

Our heritage, laws and traditions are Christian.

 

[Ves]

What, like the Australian Davis Cup team of the last few years? I can't think of any.

Umm, I dunno, turn on the NBA or some European soccer at some point.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Our heritage, laws and traditions are Christian.

Umm, I dunno, turn on the NBA or some European soccer at some point.

Let's stick to the facts - NBA has a mono-culture which is black. I'm fine with that by the way. They are obviously better at it than other races.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Well Melbourne CBD was absolutely swamped by Chinese last week for their New Year and the media was encouraging Melbournians to celebrate it. What on earth is going on? .

I haven't seen any of that activity or expectation. Really think it is the capitals that have the cultural diversity scenes obviously because of the greater concentrations of non whites. In this town there are some Chinese takeaway but that is the only influence culturally.

 

[Ves]

NBA has a mono-culture which is black.

That's a ridiculous statement. Black people don't have a mono-culture.

Love how you just skipped over the European soccer too.

 

[luutzu]

Like I said before....
Trump is the best thing to happen to Australia and he is doing exactly what I thought he would. We might engage with asia a lot more and look for opportunities a lot more seriously there. US never had our interests at heart.

I don't think there's any resource-rich country in the world that could do what it pleases without US permission or enjoying its peacekeeping.

Big little Australia is no difference.

Remember when we lease a Darwin port to China? Uncle Sam was not happy and all our Malcolm could do was joke that ey man, it's no secret that we plan to lease the port, just so sorry you guys didn't read the Darwin advertiser.

Those who own their place tend to have a different reply. Such as, it's my freaking house and I can do whatever I want with it.

 

[luutzu]

Apparently we have been taking advantage of the US, so says Trump...however:

http://www.dirigogroup.com.au/blog/who-does-australia-trade-with

Yup, poor America, everyone is taking advantage of it; and all its trade deals are bad and terrible to its interests.

It takes a Trump to ask why are we in the ME fighting ISIS and not just take its oil? Why aren't the US making better deals.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

That's a ridiculous statement. Black people don't have a mono-culture.

Love how you just skipped over the European soccer too.

I don't know anything about soccer.

I always ask this of people who support multi-culturalism. When you socialize, how many people of cultures other than your own are present? None? How many Aborigines? How many Greeks? How many Turks? How many French? How many Africans? How many Iranians? Just your own little culture, right? Your own people. Would you say that's divisive and racist, or just exclusive (in the true sense of the word).

 

[Ves]

I always ask this of people who support multi-culturalism. When you socialize, how many people of cultures other than your own are present? None? How many Aborigines? How many Greeks? How many Turks? How many French? How many Africans? How many Iranians? Just your own little culture, right? Your own people. Would you say that's divisive and racist, or just exclusive (in the true sense of the word).

That's a loaded question.

I will also add that the absence of something happening is not really a criticism of the success/failure of an act itself.

A lot of the people who avoid interaction with other cultures probably do so because they are unfamiliar with them. At the end of the day if you haven't experienced something then you really have no place talking about it.

 

[SirRumpole]

Trump is attempting to re-create the old America, which was much more homogenous. It won't work, but

Those are the key words "it won't work".

If you know something isn't going to work and you do it anyway you are a dill.

Instead of driving people apart, try to find some common ground.

 

[luutzu]

I don't know anything about soccer.

I always ask this of people who support multi-culturalism. When you socialize, how many people of cultures other than your own are present? None? How many Aborigines? How many Greeks? How many Turks? How many French? How many Africans? How many Iranians? Just your own little culture, right? Your own people. Would you say that's divisive and racist, or just exclusive (in the true sense of the word).

Content of their character, not colour of their skin, as a doctor once ordered.

Obvious point is that there are good and bad in every culture.

 

[SirRumpole]

Excellent analysis by Michelle Grattan, I think she is spot on. If Trump does us a favour this time, what will he expect in return down the track ?

Grattan on Friday: Malcolm Turnbull should walk away from refugee deal

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-...-turnbull-walk-away-from-refugee-deal/8238458

 

[Gringotts Bank]

That's a loaded question.

Of course it is. I know the answer.

Instead of driving people apart, try to find some common ground.

Many years ago I recall a guy at uni who was Indian. In those days universities were pretty much white and no one really associated with him (that was the norm). But he was quite a funny guy and I'd sometimes knock about with him in tutes, though not socialize. One day he asks me to a party at his house. I go and am met with maybe 150 Indians crowded into this small house. I was the only white. I didn't like the food, the music, the conversation, the throng of cousins, aunties and uncles. What are you saying, I should have made more of an effort? I know what I like, and it wasn't that.

 

[SirRumpole]

What are you saying, I should have made more of an effort?

Obviously, your common ground was your association at uni. If you didn't like his parties you didn't have to go, but I don't see that as a reason to dump him completely. You could have invited him to a party where he was the only Indian.