Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Sure, storm the beaches like D-Day and roll the tanks over the enemy (and all the civilians who get in the way).

Yes it could be done if you don't worry about the collateral damage, but the political brickbats of putting skin in the game on the ground would be too odious for the politicians to consider.

I heard Colin Powell's former Chief of Staff saying the US military is now at its lowest recruitment ever.

That's also why the military got PC and allow women to serve on the front line recently.

So for them to put more skin in the game, they'd have to start a draft of some sort. And as Vietnam had shown, when you draft kids from middle to upper middle class, their parents tend to speak up and call a few of their politicians to ask if the war is worth it.

 

[overhang]

With Obama (and potentially Hillary), the approach was to let anyone and everyone in, then have a candlelight vigil and group hug when people get blown up or shot in cold blood by terrorists. Don't you think that's ridiculous?

If banning all Muslims from certain countries for 90 days seems harsh, well I don't call that harsh. Harsh is when someone gets blown up.

For me it's just a show of power. A way of saying "you're finished". (to ISIS, not Muslims).

The process under the previous administration was to allow border security and the intelligence community to do their job and screen those coming in for potential threats. And this clearly worked as post 9/11 terrorist attacks have always been a US citizen or a legal resident. I've already mentioned that 15 of the 9/11 attackers were from Saudi Arabia who aren't on the list but the facts are also that not one fatal attack post 9/11 has occurred from citizens of any of the 7 countries banned. How can you possibly see this as good policy because so far everything you have said has been baseless?

 

[basilio]

Just flicking through You Tube and came across a movie called "Forbidden".
Tells the true story of a German Countess who helped hide and move scores of Jews in berlin during WW2. Also ended up having and hiding a Jewish lover.

Totally griping. Put aside a couple of hours and understand what happened when a whole religion and it's people were demonised, hunted and killed.

It has something to say about our times.


http://www.fembio.org/english/biography.php/woman/biography/maria-graefin-von-maltzan/

 

[basilio]

With Obama (and potentially Hillary), the approach was to let anyone and everyone in, then have a candlelight vigil and group hug when people get blown up or shot in cold blood by terrorists. Don't you think that's ridiculous?

If banning all Muslims from certain countries for 90 days seems harsh, well I don't call that harsh. Harsh is when someone gets blown up.

For me it's just a show of power. A way of saying "you're finished". (to ISIS, not Muslims).

That is just completely untrue Gringott. Or perhaps as is currently said "Alternative facts". The vetting of anyone who wants to enter the US from any suspect terrorist country is very, very thorough. As result thousands of people have been refused entry and literally stopped at the planes. In almost all cases they had no terrorist inclinations but were just collateral damage in the fight against terrorism.

The current sweep to simply ban everyone who is wanting travel has picked up the completely and totally innocent. Doctors, interpreters who worked in Iraq for the US. Families visiting dying relatives. It reminds of the old story about the Soldiers and the Good Indians and Bad Indians.

"Kill em all " Let God sort out the good ones.

Check out the No Fly list story to see just how determined the US already was to ensure no-one with even a hint of danger (and many with none) were arbitrarily stopped from flying into the US.

Would you care to reconsider your views GringottsBank ?

https://obamawhitehouse.archives.go...screening-process-refugee-entry-united-states


http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jun/20/fbi-no-fly-list-revealed-81k-names-fewer-1k-us/

 

[SirRumpole]

So the Donald thinks that the refugee agreement was a "dumb deal" for the US and should be torn up.

Fine, maybe he should, and perhaps we should tear up a few deals ourselves

1. the US Australia Free Trade agreement which costs our pharmaceutical benefits scheme billions

https://theconversation.com/how-the-us-trade-deal-undermined-australias-pbs-32573 and

2. The Joint Strike Fighter project which is a dog and which is likely to cost us much more than planned.

This article shows how spineless we are about tackling the US on sensitive issues:

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...pine-over-joint-strike-fighter-expert/7218478

 

[noco]

So the Donald thinks that the refugee agreement was a "dumb deal" for the US and should be torn up.

Fine, maybe he should, and perhaps we should tear up a few deals ourselves

1. the US Australia Free Trade agreement which costs our pharmaceutical benefits scheme billions

https://theconversation.com/how-the-us-trade-deal-undermined-australias-pbs-32573 and

2. The Joint Strike Fighter project which is a dog and which is likely to cost us much more than planned.

This article shows how spineless we are about tackling the US on sensitive issues:

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...pine-over-joint-strike-fighter-expert/7218478

Personally, I just cannot believe Turnbull has done a dumb deal with Obama after Trump had been elected.
It was Trump's policy to curtail Muslim immigration so surely Turnbull could not have been so naive not to have recognized that policy.
Candid speaking, I hope Trump reneges on the deal which could see the end of Turnbull.

 

[CanOz]

So the Donald thinks that the refugee agreement was a "dumb deal" for the US and should be torn up.

Fine, maybe he should, and perhaps we should tear up a few deals ourselves

1. the US Australia Free Trade agreement which costs our pharmaceutical benefits scheme billions

https://theconversation.com/how-the-us-trade-deal-undermined-australias-pbs-32573 and

2. The Joint Strike Fighter project which is a dog and which is likely to cost us much more than planned.

This article shows how spineless we are about tackling the US on sensitive issues:

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational...pine-over-joint-strike-fighter-expert/7218478

And while we're at it let's ban Americans from traveling here. Let's do some trade deals with everyone else BUT the US...Let the world give the US the protectionism it wants in SPADES!

 

[SirRumpole]

And while we're at it let's ban Americans from traveling here. Let's do some trade deals with everyone else BUT the US...Let the world give the US the protectionism it wants in SPADES!

No, Yanks are nice people mostly so let them come here, can't blame them all for one.

As for trade deals, we always seem to come off worse when we sign ones with bigger economies who then trample over our local product using their financial muscle. We should just apply the same tariffs to other countries goods as they apply to ours and then adjust our tariffs upwards if they subsidise their producers.

 

[notting]

Anyone who condones torture should be jailed. Trump's a fool and has given all the evil empires all the amunition they need to justify their inhumane behaiviour.
Trump is playing straight into the terrorists hands. His behavior is exactly what they want to embolden and justify their hatred of the west etc.
The world is in a dark place and is going backwards under this orange toad.

 

[SirRumpole]

Personally, I just cannot believe Turnbull has done a dumb deal with Obama after Trump had been elected.
It was Trump's policy to curtail Muslim immigration so surely Turnbull could not have been so naive not to have recognized that policy.
Candid speaking, I hope Trump reneges on the deal which could see the end of Turnbull.

Yes, it a bit like the Victorian Libs signing a road contract just before the election.

But I agree it was a sneaky trick squeezing that through . Turnbull probably deserved the spray Trump gave him although it's not the way a US President should deal with a loyal ally.

 

[noco]

And while we're at it let's ban Americans from traveling here. Let's do some trade deals with everyone else BUT the US...Let the world give the US the protectionism it wants in SPADES!

Why retaliate for Turnbull's blunder......That is only adding fuel to the fire....This is where diplomacy should come into affect either with the foreign minister Julie Bishop or our ambassador Joe Hockey......IMHO I believe Julie Bishop hopes Turnbull will fall on hid sword as she has been very very quiet during the past 24 hours....She may have her eye on the PM job.

 

[Tisme]

when you need a true blue warrior king:

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I can just imagine the conversation. Turnbull trying to say all the right things, trying to sound all proper and 'measured', trying to live up to some fake image in his mind of how he should behave....whilst plain-speaking Trump is wanting to actually do something, fix some stench that Obama left in the White House on his way out.

Turnbull's problem is he tends to wait to see which way the populace is trending before he dares make any decision. Always measured, always proper....never delivers.

 

[noco]

Yes, it a bit like the Victorian Libs signing a road contract just before the election.

Off topic buddy...The Thread is about Donald Trump not the Victorian Liberal Party.

The dumb deal was done with Obama after Trump had won the election not before.

 

[luutzu]

PPP explained.

Wow. Muslims and poor people are the problem.

 

[moXJO]

Like I said before....
Trump is the best thing to happen to Australia and he is doing exactly what I thought he would. We might engage with asia a lot more and look for opportunities a lot more seriously there. US never had our interests at heart.

 

[Tisme]

Apparently we have been taking advantage of the US, so says Trump...however:

http://www.dirigogroup.com.au/blog/who-does-australia-trade-with

 

[Wysiwyg]

I don't see the sense in painting a big target on oneself and ones country. Only time will reveal if this bloke was wise or stupid. On the surface he is stupid. A stupid person with great power. Uhhh.

 

[Tisme]

I don't see the sense in painting a big target on oneself and ones country. Only time will reveal if this bloke was wise or stupid. On the surface he is stupid. A stupid person with great power. Uhhh.

I don't understand why Australian's would be upset over someone questioning a people trading scheme thought up by a dud Prime Minister and govt of Oz.

 

[SirRumpole]

I don't understand why Australian's would be upset over someone questioning a people trading scheme thought up by a dud Prime Minister and govt of Oz.

My thoughts too. Turnbull should cancel the deal and at least get back onside with the US, or it might harm relations down the track.

This deal has too much of the Slippery Sam about it, like Utegate.