Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Not to mention when he abandoned Singapore and left Australia to the whim of the Japanese army.

Maybe he thought Asia ought to be given to the other Asian master race.

But to be fair to the guy, he did managed to save England from total loss. Else Europe and most of Russia would be speaking German today.

 

[McLovin]

Maybe he thought Asia ought to be given to the other Asian master race.

But to be fair to the guy, he did managed to save England from total loss. Else Europe and most of Russia would be speaking German today.

Fortunate geography and the Soviet Union saved the UK from German domination.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I'm thinking the immigration ban might be akin to a 'shot across the bow'. A way of saying he's serious. It's only 90 days after all. 90 days makes it meaningless. So it could have quite a good effect on those who think they might creep in and do harm. There's plenty who would do just that if given the chance.

So on the surface there's all this chaos and protest, but I think it's a clever bit of politics. In 90 days time it won't even be an issue because normal international travel will resume... and yet ISIS will know Trump means business. I think it will work.

 

[moXJO]

I'm thinking the immigration ban might be akin to a 'shot across the bow'. A way of saying he's serious. It's only 90 days after all. 90 days makes it meaningless. So it could have quite a good effect on those who think they might creep in and do harm. There's plenty who would do just that if given the chance.

So on the surface there's all this chaos and protest, but I think it's a clever bit of politics. In 90 days time it won't even be an issue because normal international travel will resume... and yet ISIS will know Trump means business. I think it will work.

Probably a smokescreen while he pushes out more orders. Climate change agreement was next on the chopping block. I hope the have enough room in trauma centers for all the lefties having outrage overload.

 

[overhang]

I'm thinking the immigration ban might be akin to a 'shot across the bow'. A way of saying he's serious. It's only 90 days after all. 90 days makes it meaningless. So it could have quite a good effect on those who think they might creep in and do harm. There's plenty who would do just that if given the chance.

So on the surface there's all this chaos and protest, but I think it's a clever bit of politics. In 90 days time it won't even be an issue because normal international travel will resume... and yet ISIS will know Trump means business. I think it will work.

Oh he means business unless of course it effects his business interests in which case he turns a blind eye. Of the 9/11 attackers 15 out of the 19 were Saudi Arabia citizens and yet they are left off this ban, none of the many Muslim majority countries that Trump has business interests in were on the banned list. Having Iraq on the list is quite reckless and clearly not thought through, Iraqi citizens have acted as interpreters as well as provided intel for the allied force risking their lives and their family. I'm sure they'll think twice about assisting American soldiers again, not to mention it alienates the army who are currently being trained by the allied forces. We may see more green on blue attacks in retaliation to this and that blood will be on Trumps hands.

 

[luutzu]

Oh he means business unless of course it effects his business interests in which case he turns a blind eye. Of the 9/11 attackers 15 out of the 19 were Saudi Arabia citizens and yet they are left off this ban, none of the many Muslim majority countries that Trump has business interests in were on the banned list. Having Iraq on the list is quite reckless and clearly not thought through, Iraqi citizens have acted as interpreters as well as provided intel for the allied force risking their lives and their family. I'm sure they'll think twice about assisting American soldiers again, not to mention it alienates the army who are currently being trained by the allied forces. We may see more green on blue attacks in retaliation to this and that blood will be on Trumps hands.

Hence, he means Business

Can't ban Arabs with cold hard cash from coming over to buy weapons now can we? They got to kick the tyres and fire a few rounds to be sure it'll flatten a couple buildings or two.

 

[luutzu]

Fortunate geography and the Soviet Union saved the UK from German domination.

Yea... true. That and Hitler's ego of thinking he can whip England and so attack the Soviets too early.

But credit where credit's due, Churchill made some incredible decisions that saved England and turn the tide. I mean, the Yanks were pretty much alright with Hitler running Europe while they have their Americas to play with.

A couple of Churchill's masterstrokes starts with him having the balls to tell Hitler to go fark himself, England ain't giving up. Can't say that for a lot of "leaders" in such position. Imagine Tony Abbott or Donald Trump. I saw Trump cowering like a pussy at a couple of his rallies where there's a sudden bang.

There are countless examples of prime ministers handing over their country when facing overwhelming force. It's the same serving one master or another... best to just give up so you'd get to at least have something to minister over.

Anyway, Churchill's decision to get all the RAF into the air each time the German arrives... That bluff, and Hitler's decision to bomb London instead of the RAF airstrips, did pull England over the line.

Then, according to the movie The Imitation Game, Churchill over-rode the commanding officer at Benchley Park and permit the funding of Alan Turing's development of what became computing science to crack Enigma.

So yea, aside from him being a racist imperialist warmonger, he's quite admirable.

 

[dutchie]

Is the USA still a democracy?

 

[SirRumpole]

Is the USA still a democracy?

They will be in 4 years...

 

[Junior]

I'm thinking the immigration ban might be akin to a 'shot across the bow'. A way of saying he's serious. It's only 90 days after all. 90 days makes it meaningless. So it could have quite a good effect on those who think they might creep in and do harm. There's plenty who would do just that if given the chance.

So on the surface there's all this chaos and protest, but I think it's a clever bit of politics. In 90 days time it won't even be an issue because normal international travel will resume... and yet ISIS will know Trump means business. I think it will work.

I think you're giving the concept far more credit than it deserves. It is reckless, harsh and as the posts above mine point out there are many, many holes in his plan.

He will further alienate and anger those who would like to harm the US.

There are already more than 3 million muslims living in the US. Trying to stop a few more from entering just because, maybe 0.00001% of them may arrange a terrorist act seems pretty dumb and counter-productive to me.

They can just fly to Mexico and tunnel under or swim around his expensive wall anyway.

 

[Tisme]

r or swim around his expensive wall anyway.

That's like the history of Wall Street when Stuyvesant and his mates built a wood wall from shore to shore to repel the Duke of York's English army ... the English walked around the ends and Pete gave up without a shot fired.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I think you're giving the concept far more credit than it deserves. It is reckless, harsh and as the posts above mine point out there are many, many holes in his plan.

He will further alienate and anger those who would like to harm the US.

There are already more than 3 million muslims living in the US. Trying to stop a few more from entering just because, maybe 0.00001% of them may arrange a terrorist act seems pretty dumb and counter-productive to me.

They can just fly to Mexico and tunnel under or swim around his expensive wall anyway.

With Obama (and potentially Hillary), the approach was to let anyone and everyone in, then have a candlelight vigil and group hug when people get blown up or shot in cold blood by terrorists. Don't you think that's ridiculous?

If banning all Muslims from certain countries for 90 days seems harsh, well I don't call that harsh. Harsh is when someone gets blown up.

For me it's just a show of power. A way of saying "you're finished". (to ISIS, not Muslims).

 

[luutzu]

With Obama (and potentially Hillary), the approach was to let anyone and everyone in, then have a candlelight vigil and group hug when people get blown up or shot in cold blood by terrorists. Don't you think that's ridiculous?

If banning all Muslims from certain countries for 90 days seems harsh, well I don't call that harsh. Harsh is when someone gets blown up.

For me it's just a show of power. A way of saying "you're finished". (to ISIS, not Muslims).

Yes, because droning the bits and pieces out of ISIS and everything and everyone around "them" isn't enough o fa show of force.

To really mean business, you have got to ban Muslims who have been vetted and scrunitised by your security agencies and deemed safe to enter.

Beside the racism behind Trump's ban, it just show that he and his administration have no clue who enter the country. That's the message it's sending. I mean, you'd only net and blanket everyone when you and your system have no idea who's who and what's what.

The comrades in Beijing and Moscow are laughing. You just can't pick a better "leader" for a state you want to weaken.

 

[McLovin]

I think you're giving the concept far more credit than it deserves. It is reckless, harsh and as the posts above mine point out there are many, many holes in his plan.

He will further alienate and anger those who would like to harm the US.

There are already more than 3 million muslims living in the US. Trying to stop a few more from entering just because, maybe 0.00001% of them may arrange a terrorist act seems pretty dumb and counter-productive to me.

They can just fly to Mexico and tunnel under or swim around his expensive wall anyway.

Yes exactly. Unless you ban Saudis then this is nothing but a bauble for Trumpeteers to get wet over. And the wall? San Diego/Tijuana is the most frequently used path for illegals to get into the US. It's had a wall for 10+ years.

As an aside, imagine being a 16 year old growing up in San Diego and being able to cross into Tijuana on weekends to party! Beats the hell out of a goon bag in Double Bay Park.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Yes, because droning the bits and pieces out of ISIS and everything and everyone around "them" isn't enough o fa show of force.

To really mean business, you have got to ban Muslims who have been vetted and scrunitised by your security agencies and deemed safe to enter.

Beside the racism behind Trump's ban, it just show that he and his administration have no clue who enter the country. That's the message it's sending. I mean, you'd only net and blanket everyone when you and your system have no idea who's who and what's what.

They don't need to be in the M.E. killing ISIS and everyone around them. Get them out of there, return those troops home and stop interfering. The M.E. will have to look after itself with the 'help' of the UN. The UN will have to step up and use force when necessary - they will have to change. Yeh they will have to actually do something.

It's true, the US has no idea who's coming in, and that's the reason for blanket bans. Trump is very critical of intelligence agencies - good! Maybe they will also have to lift their game.

The bigger the organization, the less accountability. UN and CIA will need to change.

 

[luutzu]

They don't need to be in the M.E. killing ISIS and everyone around them. Get them out of there, return those troops home and stop interfering. The M.E. will have to look after itself with the 'help' of the UN. The UN will have to step up and use force when necessary - they will have to change. Yeh they will have to actually do something.

It's true, the US has no idea who's coming in, and that's the reason for blanket bans. Trump is very critical of intelligence agencies - good! Maybe they will also have to lift their game.

The bigger the organization, the less accountability. UN and CIA will need to change.

Maybe he should privatise national security over to Trump Organisation. I heard it's awesome, tremendous and very very amazing.

Come on man, all these are just for show. He's playing politics with people's lives... very cool.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Maybe he should privatise national security over to Trump Organisation. I heard it's awesome, tremendous and very very amazing.

Come on man, all these are just for show. He's playing politics with people's lives... very cool.

At least a non-government company would have some accountability. You know the US army are very, very keen for the war to just keep going? For them it's a big computer game and they love it because they have all the hi-tech fighting gear and all the enemy has is a few grenade throwers. That's how it is. That's why they want it to continue for as long as possible. The M.E. can exist on its own and sort itself out. If mass murders start happening, then MASSIVE pressure will fall upon the UN. It's needed.

I support the notion of a country having very well defined borders and looking after its own people as a priority. Every other country can figure itself out.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

And idiots like Obama would believe the generals when they say "oh it's very complex this war... will take a long time". SUCH bull****, and idiot Obama would just believe that. A country who put a man on the moon in the 1960s cannot defeat a primitive, cave dwelling group of terrorists with AK47s?.... yeh RIGHT! It could happen virtually overnight if they wanted it to.

 

[SirRumpole]

yeh RIGHT! It could happen virtually overnight if they wanted it to.

Sure, storm the beaches like D-Day and roll the tanks over the enemy (and all the civilians who get in the way).

Yes it could be done if you don't worry about the collateral damage, but the political brickbats of putting skin in the game on the ground would be too odious for the politicians to consider.

 

[luutzu]

And idiots like Obama would believe the generals when they say "oh it's very complex this war... will take a long time". SUCH bull****, and idiot Obama would just believe that. A country who put a man on the moon in the 1960s cannot defeat a primitive, cave dwelling group of terrorists with AK47s?.... yeh RIGHT! It could happen virtually overnight if they wanted it to.

give Obama some credit. He know it's all bs.

Just that when you want control of other people's riches without their consent, you have got to make a show of how they deserve what they got and how scary they are that we have to be there, for another 100 years - give or take a few years before the oil runs out.

Problem with these kind of bs is that if the population is so scared and frightened of a bunch of terrorists, how will they behave when the real enemy is some serious player with serious firepower?

But not all politicians and generals are as cluey and so think that if terrorists can be easily destroy from a distant, so too can the Russians and Chinese... well, look how the Russian(backed) Georgian handed the Israeli generals and consultants their asses. Oh, not all enemies are defenceless Palestinians.