Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[noco]

My negativity is only in relation to the Donald wayneL, I can't see any positives here. Nothing but fear, division, bullying, and lie after lie from this man and his cronies.

I do, however think this current saga will eventually lead to a positive outcome for humankind. If we must tolerate 4 years of having this incompetent a-hole running the show, americans will be desperate for positive change thereafter, I hope.

This strong anti-immigration & protectionist theme will surely not last forever, as we live in a world that has thrived & prospered on free trade and movement of people between countries for so long.

For those who have not read The Rational Optimist, I think now is a good time.

Stop romancing with yourself junior.......You are just another left wing Trump basher.

 

[Junior]

Stop romancing with yourself junior.......You are just another left wing Trump basher.

Free trade is not a leftist ideology. I work in Financial Services, hardly a 'lefty' world.

I think your labelling is inaccurate. You don't know me, man.

 

[Knobby22]

Now Republicans are in charge in all houses they can do something about the debt. Or maybe they could give the tax cuts and push out the time they try to balance the budget.
Good read from Mish.

https://mishtalk.com/2017/03/08/republican-debt-ceiling-shenanigans/#more-44569

 

[luutzu]

More Trump bashing.

Pretty sure I bashed all presidents back to the 80s there.

Beside Trump beating up on illegals, Muslims and the Great Wall... what else do you like about Trump?

 

[Tisme]

Free trade is not a leftist ideology. I work in Financial Services, hardly a 'lefty' world.

I think your labelling is inaccurate. You don't know me, man.

You passed both those assertions through the Bolt world history and word filter? Indeed have you rec'd permission from Andrew to have an opinion at all?

 

[wayneL]

Free trade is not a leftist ideology. I work in Financial Services, hardly a 'lefty' world.

I think your labelling is inaccurate. You don't know me, man.

I know quote a few in the financial services industry, and have a few clients also.

All are quite leftist. None truly believe in laissez faire because half of them would be unemployed

"Inner city trendies" ring a bell?

 

[Junior]

OK then, perhaps I am a 'left-wing trump basher'. I've been called worse.

 

[wayneL]

OK then, perhaps I am a 'left-wing trump basher'. I've been called worse.

Just today, i have been called both racist and sexist.

 

[SirRumpole]

OK then, perhaps I am a 'left-wing trump basher'. I've been called worse.

Being called a Left Wing Trump basher by a Right Wing Facist lover is no bad thing.

 

[luutzu]

Just today, i have been called both racist and sexist.

Who call you that Sifu. I shall avenge you!

Come on Sifu, you're a bit... hmmm... what's the word when someone say they have friends who are X, and those X they know are all nice people, but other Xes are total bastards, all of them.

 

[wayneL]

Who call you that Sifu. I shall avenge you!

Come on Sifu, you're a bit... hmmm... what's the word when someone say they have friends who are X, and those X they know are all nice people, but other Xes are total bastards, all of them.

I don't know. But that's not what I was implying and you know it.

Bit of a straw man there my disingenuous friend.

The humorous thing is that you imagine your verbose transmogrification of facts and concepts is actually debate and convincing.

It ain't. Sorry.

 

[luutzu]

I don't know. But that's not what I was implying and you know it.

Bit of a straw man there my disingenuous friend.

The humorous thing is that you imagine your verbose transmogrification of facts and concepts is actually debate and convincing.

It ain't. Sorry.

What's transmogrification of facts? Alternate facts?

Seriously though, when it comes to real news, best to avoid the mainstream. ABC, BBC, PBS included.

If you have spare time, worth a read/watch of "Manufacturing Consent". Promise you would never look at any newspaper the same again.

 

[SirRumpole]

Promise you would never look at any newspaper the same again.

I haven't looked at a newspaper for about 15 years, the paper version that is.

 

[luutzu]

I haven't looked at a newspaper for about 15 years, the paper version that is.

You having fun with me there SirR

Print or digital, it's the same content.

Heard some joke somewhere, not sure if it's true, but there's this Soviet delegation coming to the US to learn the ways of the capitalist pigs. They were shown around its great monuments and all that great democracy stuff.

At the end of the tour, they were asked by the Americans if they have any question.

The team leader rose up, says... We've been reading and watching your news over the past weeks, and all the opinions and news across all channels and media tell the same message your government wants to be told.

Back in the USSR, to get anywhere near this level of compliance, we'd have to pull nails and send a few journalists to the Gulag.

What's your secret?

 

[SirRumpole]

What's your secret?

Rupert.

 

[luutzu]

Rupert.

Rupert brought it to a whole new level, worldwide. But it started as soon as the printing press was invented. Serious.

With the outbreak of the English Civil War, merchants backed Cromwell to establish parliament. Taking power from the Crown, pass it on to "the people" [free men].

With all the talks of no such thing as the Divine rights of King, we're all mortal, we should be free and not be governed. The merchants says, wait wait, hold on a bit you plebs. We're only supposed to depose the King, take power and rule in his place. So you plebs will still need to be rule, pay your taxes and labour for peanuts - just as god intended.

Can't really say that outright... so they set up a free press. Get the propaganda going. Get educated "intellectuals" on board, pay them a bit and they'll sing and dance about patriotic duties, moral value and our country, right or wrong...

Fast forward to our more civilised era and it's the same old crap.

Give sellout idiots a Noble Prize in Economics, give them a fancy title, a fairly good wage and watch how they bang on about the need to deregulate, freedom, free trade; How we all ought to not expect anything from our tax dollars; how taxes and gov't subsidies should go towards making the rich really really rich so that the rich then make the poor rich too.

Then there's the endless wars. Why we must spent billions a year on it at the expense of our domestic well being; how it's our patriotic duty to go kill and die for the country; and how it is perfectly normal that war profiteers can gouge all the cash they want.

Saw an interview with a former US marine who says how soldiers like him are no longer supplied by the gov't, but by private contractors. That a T-Shirt costs $50 where the same thing cost $5 at any shop; how a pair of boots costs $150 and does no more than a $50 ones.

Won't find these kind of talks on the mainstream media.

 

[Junior]

Then there's the endless wars. Why we must spent billions a year on it at the expense of our domestic well being; how it's our patriotic duty to go kill and die for the country; and how it is perfectly normal that war profiteers can gouge all the cash they want.

Saw an interview with a former US marine who says how soldiers like him are no longer supplied by the gov't, but by private contractors. That a T-Shirt costs $50 where the same thing cost $5 at any shop; how a pair of boots costs $150 and does no more than a $50 ones.

The level of US military spending is abhorrent. 3x the amount China spends and equivalent to the total spend of the next 8 biggest spending nations combined (or up to the next 13 biggest, depending which stats you use).

Imagine what could be achieved with those funds if they halved spending, for example? Universal free/affordable healthcare would be easily achievable, for example.

 

[Tisme]

I haven't looked at a newspaper for about 15 years, the paper version that is.

I did the other day and wish I hadn't. Still a heavily biased, albeit trashy vehicle for the LNP up here. I can only imagine how many fools get their views from rags.

 

[noco]

I did the other day and wish I hadn't. Still a heavily biased, albeit trashy vehicle for the LNP up here. I can only imagine how many fools get their views from rags.

OFF TOPIC.

 

[luutzu]

The level of US military spending is abhorrent. 3x the amount China spends and equivalent to the total spend of the next 8 biggest spending nations combined (or up to the next 13 biggest, depending which stats you use).

Imagine what could be achieved with those funds if they halved spending, for example? Universal free/affordable healthcare would be easily achievable, for example.

Yea, it is mind boggling.

Heard that the Pentagon get that $600B. But if you add budget for Homeland Security, Intelligence, Weapons R&D through their Energy Dept. and total comes to about $900B+ per year.

No one in power seem to ever ask how they're going to afford that.

I think Sanders was saying how for about $60B a year, the US could give free tertiary education to its people. That's an investment that pay dividends in higher income, more skilled workforce for that future economy.

Won't even need to give education away for free, just do our HECS system and loan it out.

Can't afford that but a $54B increase in Pentagon budget is one swoop is not a problem.

Hard to believe but it's a disaster waiting to happen.