Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[wayneL]

Is our "lot" the masses that don't want a lying, cheating, self serving buffoon of a man as the leader of the free world.

No thats our lot who are sick of the Obamas and Hillarys,

Let's not forget Hillary's record in this regard Quacker

Save your Basilio bashing for the "Resisting Climate Hysteria " thread where your "lot", the flat earth brigade are doing an excellent job.

My good manners prevents me from urging you to perform an impossible auto-erotic act, so instead I will (a) draw your attention to the monumental hypocrisy in your statement and (b) invite you to add something of scientific substance to that debate... Alas, that is most likely beyond your capabilities.

 

[wayneL]

That's pretty crazy stuff even for you Wayne.

We have one of the most aggressive, dangerous megalomaniacs vying for Presidency of the most powerful country on Earth. He has poisoned political debate and peoples minds to the point that even when it's clear he is lying it doesn't seem to matter.

And yet somehow you think he needs support because he is not the Democrats ? Not Hilary Clinton ?

This is madness Wayne. No true conservative could conceive of supporting Donald Trump. The damage he would do as President would destroy Americas standing and influence for decades to come. Truly it reminds me of Hitlers rise to power as the German response to the Depression

It's not crazy bas, its an observation. Try not to draw too many conclusions from limited information, it is your biggest fault.

BTW, I am not a conservative so couldn't give a stuff what "trrue conservatives" think.

 

[noco]

That's pretty crazy stuff even for you Wayne.

We have one of the most aggressive, dangerous megalomaniacs vying for Presidency of the most powerful country on Earth. He has poisoned political debate and peoples minds to the point that even when it's clear he is lying it doesn't seem to matter.

And yet somehow you think he needs support because he is not the Democrats ? Not Hilary Clinton ?

This is madness Wayne. No true conservative could conceive of supporting Donald Trump. The damage he would do as President would destroy Americas standing and influence for decades to come. Truly it reminds me of Hitlers rise to power as the German response to the Depression

Bas, with all your huffing and puffing about Donald Trump it will be the people of the USA who will decide if he becomes the next US President and there is little you can do about it.

Be thankful the US, like Australia, are both democratic countries and if enough people believe we should stop Muslim immigration into our countries they will, as in Australia, vote for it....I know you, as well as the Greens and 50 Labor MPs, would be happy to see illegals immigrants flooding into Australia again but it ain't gonna happen in the next 3 years....So I am afraid you will have to suck it up if Trump becomes President, as has the Greens and the socialist have had to do in Aus.

With all the radical Muslim activities going on around the world, The Muslims will help Trump get over the line just as they have helped Pauline Hanson here in Australia gain momentum.....The Muslims are not very bright I am afraid to say.

Trump wants to bring back true values to the USA, something Obama, and I am sure Clinton have forgotten.

Go Trump!!

 

[Logique]

No thats our lot who are sick of the Obamas and Hillarys,
Let's not forget Hillary's record in this regard Quacker
My good manners prevents me from urging you to perform an impossible auto-erotic act, so instead I will (a) draw your attention to the monumental hypocrisy in your statement and (b) invite you to add something of scientific substance to that debate... Alas, that is most likely beyond your capabilities.

I cannot believe that any rational US voter would willingly put Hillary and Bill back into the oval office. "What were we thinking", the US voters would ultimately say. But by then the Clintons would be entrenched. Read up on Imelda and Ferdinand Marcos. "Crooked Hillary", as Trump names her.

Political fools and the American election - July 23, 2016 by Steve Kates
http://catallaxyfiles.com/2016/07/23/political-fools-and-the-american-election/

..the choice of Hillary is to choose evil and the almost immediate decay and destruction of the American Republic. Four supreme court picks and an open border naturialisation policy will mean no Republican ever becomes president again. Out past 2020, the nature of the US becomes almost unimaginable.

 

[DB008]

Did someone say the recent Wikileaks dump was bad?

 

[orr]

Jon Stewart returns to look at support for Donald Trump.

Fascinating to see how Fox News trashed President Obama for being out of touch, using a Teleprompter, not being "Christian" - and then supported Trump... Priceless

Gold...
Up until now I'd only seen the shortened clip, but the context given by excoriating the likes of Hegarty to the moral and intellectual nonentities they are... Gold... It's lucky for them that their exists the credulous in the commercial numbers necessary to absorb their 'offerings', Mix this with the attention spans of gold fish and the capacity for critical reasoning of equine dung... but their you go, they are out there.
As hard as it is to think that some thinking individual would volunteer to line themselves up to this type of group, as evidenced by the fact that the greater power base of the GOP don't, They are 'out there'.

The Washington Post's completely accurate observation of 'Drumphs' nomination expectance... 'A Creepy Fascist Infomercial':

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/compost/wp/2016/07/22/donald-trumps-creepy-fascist-infomercial/

 

[SirRumpole]

Is Trump a Russian spy ?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...h-vladimir-putins-russia-20160723-gqcg8p.html

 

[luutzu]

Is Trump a Russian spy ?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...h-vladimir-putins-russia-20160723-gqcg8p.html

Oh yea, the Siberian Candidate. Na... they're both the Manchurian Candidate (Denzel Washington version, with Manchuria being Manchuria Inc.).

It'd be interesting to see how much longer a democracy can go on once the people starts to distrust and despise all thing establishment. The Americans been hating it for at least a couple decades now... and each time they were promised hope and change through different variety of presidents.

Can't keep doing that and get away with it forever. As Bush Jr. said, you me once shame on you; fool me twice and a fool can never be fool again...

 

[noco]

Is Trump a Russian spy ?

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...h-vladimir-putins-russia-20160723-gqcg8p.html

I cannot recall where I derived it from because it was too far back but there was a prediction made that Russia and the USA would one day combine forces to go to war with China who was purported to be the aggressor following a deep recession in the Chinese economy and sometimes a recession can be the catalyst for war.

 

[basilio]

The SMH article highlighted the influence of the Russians on American politics. It seems they were behind the Wikileaks information from the Democrats.

It is certainly in Russia's interest to separate the US from Europe, break down NATO and encourage an authoritarian isolationist USA.

 

[qldfrog]

The SMH article highlighted the influence of the Russians on American politics. It seems they were behind the Wikileaks information from the Democrats.

It is certainly in Russia's interest to separate the US from Europe, break down NATO and encourage an authoritarian isolationist USA.

Well the US and Europe attitudes vs Russia was not one even remotely fair;
Have you forgotten the russian plane bombing IS but shot down by our turkish friend to protect their arms and oil trade with the islamists, that same 'ally' now purging Turkey from any opposition, secular or not;
The US army is a generation behind, still want to fight the Ruskis as in the good old time ; the US contributed a big way to the Poutine rise in power IMHO.
Fair to give the US a bit of their own medecine.

 

[Logique]

Is Trump a Russian spy ?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...h-vladimir-putins-russia-20160723-gqcg8p.html

That's right the Kremlin loves Republicans. Far more alarming is the strong possibility that Putin has a slew of spearfished personal emails from Hillary's private server, from 2013 onwards.

These would be a potent weapon to manipulate or blackmail a Clinton Presidency.

In 2014, Hillary compared Putin to Adolf Hitler. Given that 20 million Soviets died fighting the Nazi regime, this was not diplomacy at it's finest, nor does it augur well for the future relationship under a Clinton Presidency.

 

[Knobby22]

That's right the Kremlin loves Republicans. Far more alarming is the strong possibility that Putin has a slew of spearfished personal emails from Hillary's private server, from 2013 onwards.

These would be a potent weapon to manipulate or blackmail a Clinton Presidency.

In 2014, Hillary compared Putin to Adolf Hitler. Given that 20 million Soviets died fighting the Nazi regime, this was not diplomacy at it's finest, nor does it augur well for the future relationship under a Clinton Presidency.

It appears the Russians are actively supporting Trump, (according to the Democrats), releasing emails they had nicked of their activities just before the convention. I suppose they are hoping Trump will weaken NATO as he promised.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...leaked-democrats-emails-to-help-donald-trump/

 

[luutzu]

That's right the Kremlin loves Republicans. Far more alarming is the strong possibility that Putin has a slew of spearfished personal emails from Hillary's private server, from 2013 onwards.

These would be a potent weapon to manipulate or blackmail a Clinton Presidency.

In 2014, Hillary compared Putin to Adolf Hitler. Given that 20 million Soviets died fighting the Nazi regime, this was not diplomacy at it's finest, nor does it augur well for the future relationship under a Clinton Presidency.

Good point. The Russian probably prefer a Clinton presidency given all those emails they've hacked from her server.

But say the Russian prefer Trump, the Chinese would prefer Clinton - if anything she'd keep NATO busy and US forces away from the Pacific.

But all these are insane. A president can't just snap their fingers and policies get changed. Other greater powers are at the helm.

 

[qldfrog]

A president can't just snap their fingers and policies get changed. Other greater powers are at the helm.

True here luutzu, i have doubts at the real power of the elected president/senate/congress in the US; this is onereason Trump has support but even he is elected, no sure he will be able to do much

 

[basilio]

True here luutzu, i have doubts at the real power of the elected president/senate/congress in the US; this is onereason Trump has support but even he is elected, no sure he will be able to do much

In theory I would agree with you. But I think Trump is such a megalomaniac we could see extreme measures taken that would be previously unthinkable.

The other issue is the effects his announcements and possible Presidency would have on many situations. Banning travel by all Muslims, trying to make NATO countries pay more for security, championing the break up of the EU, talking up trade wars. Just the fallout from these conversations alone will cause trouble. For example I wouldn't be surprised if efforts are made to create an alternative to the US dollar as the go to currency as a response to an aggressive USA.

Overall he has no respect for democratic processes so don't be surprised if literally anything happens.

 

[Logique]

A venal virago and an intern fiddler, that's who we need to lead the free world.

Boris J. was right the first time. First woman President, that won't be the only demographic first, will it Julia.

Nurse Rached..a good novel, over the cuckoos nest we fly..

Boris Johnson once compared Hillary Clinton to 'a sadistic nurse in a mental hospital'
Mayor of London hastily tries to make amends for comparing the potential next president of the United States to Lady Macbeth
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...to-a-sadistic-nurse-in-a-mental-hospital.html

 

[Macquack]

True here luutzu, i have doubts at the real power of the elected president/senate/congress in the US; this is onereason Trump has support but even he is elected, no sure he will be able to do much

The only thing he will be able to do is make the rich (mainly himself) richer and the poor will get the picture (as usual).

The Trumpster is no saviour for the average American. He is their enemy number one.

 

[luutzu]

The only thing he will be able to do is make the rich (mainly himself) richer and the poor will get the picture (as usual).

The Trumpster is no saviour for the average American. He is their enemy number one.

His daughter said he's a "blue collar billionaire". The kind of bs they're selling these political hacks.

 

[basilio]

One day after his nomination as Republican nominee The Washington Post has condemned Donald Trump as a "unique threat to American democracy".

The Editorial vivisects him.

Donald Trump is a unique threat to American democracy

DONALD J. TRUMP, until now a Republican problem, this week became a challenge the nation must confront and overcome. The real estate tycoon is uniquely unqualified to serve as president, in experience and temperament. He is mounting a campaign of snarl and sneer, not substance. To the extent he has views, they are wrong in their diagnosis of America’s problems and dangerous in their proposed solutions. Mr. Trump’s politics of denigration and division could strain the bonds that have held a diverse nation together. His contempt for constitutional norms might reveal the nation’s two-century-old experiment in checks and balances to be more fragile than we knew.

Any one of these characteristics would be disqualifying; together, they make Mr. Trump a peril. We recognize that this is not the usual moment to make such a statement. In an ordinary election year, we would acknowledge the Republican nominee, move on to the Democratic convention and spend the following months, like other voters, evaluating the candidates’ performance in debates, on the stump and in position papers. This year we will follow the campaign as always, offering honest views on all the candidates. But we cannot salute the Republican nominee or pretend that we might endorse him this fall. A Trump presidency would be dangerous for the nation and the world.

Why are we so sure? Start with experience. It has been 64 years since a major party nominated anyone for president who did not have electoral experience. That experiment turned out pretty well ”” but Mr. Trump, to put it mildly, is no Dwight David Eisenhower. Leading the Allied campaign to liberate Europe from the Nazis required strategic and political skills of the first order, and Eisenhower ”” though he liked to emphasize his common touch as he faced the intellectual Democrat Adlai Stevenson ”” was shrewd, diligent, humble and thoughtful.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d823cc-4f4f-11e6-aa14-e0c1087f7583_story.html