@Joe Blow any idea what he might be referring to? Or might there have been some kind of glitch?
I can’t see it on my iPhone. It must be a glitch. If in doubt blame @Joe BlowDesktop. I see nothing other than what I quote or type.
From the Washington Post article you quote, @basilio the decision to terminate the purchase is not as bad as you make out. From the link you gave for the WAPO to which I subscribe. I will remove the uptick I gave you from your post for dishonestly not quoting facts contrary to your case. Click on the short paragraphs below.This is THE testament to the Economic lunacy of the Trump era. Read and wonder.
Republicans can’t stop wasting money: they want to scrap USPS’ awesome EVs
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The Senate version of the repubilcans’ tax bill won’t just add trillions of dollars to the deficit through a massive giveaway to wealthy elites, it will also take the US Postal Service’s awesome new EVs and sell them off for pennies on the dollar, wasting money simply out of spite for vehicles that were already cleaning your air and making your community safer.
The Postal Service has used the same Grumman LLV vehicles for decades, produced from 1986-1994. So, some of these trucks are nearly 40 years old, and all of them are at least 30 years old.
The vehicles are showing their age – they get poor mileage, they break down often (or catch fire, as about 100 of the old gas guzzlers did last year), they emit significant pollution, and they have poor ergonomics.
So, in 2015, the USPS started the process of finding a replacement.
After many bids and back-and-forth (including startups going out of business), the USPS, led by Postmaster Louis DeJoy, picked Oshkosh’s “Next Generation Delivery Vehicle” (NGDV) as the next postal vehicle. The vehicle will be built in a new Oshkosh facility in Spartanburg, South Carolina, hiring 1,000 additional employees in the area.
......Electrification is a perfect choice for most delivery vehicles. These vehicles do set daily routes with lots of starting and stopping, in neighborhoods where people live and breathe, and return back to the same place every night. It’s an ideal application for EVs, for the vast majority of rotues.
Higher efficiency electric drive means money savings on fuel and maintenance for most routes. Overall, a highly electrified fleet was estimated to save taxpayers $4.3 billion over its lifetime.
But perhaps the most obvious benefit of electric mail trucks is the lack of pollution in the places where people spend most of their time: at home. (I don’t know about you, but my mail carrier’s broken truck stinks up the place every day, forcing me to close the windows as it fails to start half the time – and I’m pretty sure this is a common experience)
....The NGDV has suffered delays, but as the truck has finally started to roll out, it’s been enormously popular. When the truck started use last year in Atlanta, drivers immediately loved it. They loved the new features, better safety, and less stress on their bodies.
Republicans move to undo these improvements, wasting taxpayer dollars
And so, of course, republicans are now threatening this unequivocally good thing in a way that’s only going to cost taxpayers more money and ensure that your mail costs, the pollution you breathe in your home and the danger to your neighborhood all increase.
As reported by the Washington Post, Senate republicans are considering a version of the tax bill that would auction off these vehicles, at pennies on the dollar, seemingly simply out of spite for the program.
As usual, republican justifications for the billions of dollars in waste they’re proposing don’t stand up to even the slightest amount of scrutiny.
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) stated that the plan “aims to cut unnecessary costs and focus USPS on delivering mail and not achieving the environmental initiatives pushed by the Biden Administration.”
But Paul ought to know this is false, because he’s part of the Senate, the body that approved spending for these vehicles in the first place in 2022 (and, if you remember your high school civics class as Paul apparently does not, the Senate is not part of the “Biden Administration”). Nor is the USPS directly part of any presidential administration, since it is an independent federal agency, and during the bidding process was headed by Louis DeJoy, who was appointed during one Mr. Donald Trump’s first stint squatting in the White House.
Republicans can't stop wasting money: they want to scrap USPS' awesome EVs
An opportunity to waste money, harm the environment, put your kids at risk, AND increase labor costs? Republicans are all over it.electrek.co
But the program to replace those trucks has faced significant setbacks. Oshkosh encountered delays and engineering problems during early manufacturing runs, and disagreements — and accusations of corporate dishonesty — among executives plagued the production process, The Washington Post reported in December.
Oshkosh was supposed to have delivered about 3,000 vehicles by the end of 2024. Instead it had provided roughly 100 and raised its prices as the Postal Service ordered additional EVs.
After Congress approved vehicle funding for the agency, Oshkosh charged an Inflation Reduction Act “premium adjustment” that increased the overall value of the Oshkosh purchase by more than half a billion dollars, according to company financial disclosures.
Some of Trump’s allies have identified the program as an example of government waste. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Georgia) wrote on social media in December that the vehicles were “a Democrat Green New Deal scam that’s throwing your money away.”
Elon Musk, then a Trump ally and part of his government efficiency drive, wrote on X, “That is a crazy price per truck.”
Postal Service stakeholders are set to testify before a House Oversight and Government Reform subcommittee Tuesday to discuss the mail service’s finances and operations.
Your right in going into the details of the Washington Post story. I read the original story from Electrek and added the direct Washington Post link because I thought it might offer further information.From the Washington Post article you quote, @basilio the decision to terminate the purchase is not as bad as you make out. From the link you gave for the WAPO to which I subscribe. I will remove the uptick I gave you from your post for dishonestly not quoting facts contrary to your case. Click on the short paragraphs below.
gg
That was why I gave you an original uptick. I, like you, applaud the use of EV use in the postal service, as they now are starting to do in Australia. My apologies for the harsh language, but reading the full article I'd be hard put to blame the Republicans.Your right in going into the details of the Washington Post story. I read the original story from Electrek and added the direct Washington Post link because I thought it might offer further information.
I didn't go through the Post story itself so I didn't see the additional information. I didn't dishonestly not quote facts contrary to my case. I wasn't aware of these al all.
Having said that GG how about looking at the all of the story ? The fact that the delivery vans are 30-40 years old and literally falling apart. The fact that of all options EVs offer the cleanest, safest and most cost effective option for deliveries of mail and parcels ? Yep there have been issues with teh development of the project. That was noted in Electrek in its story.
I think it would be worth seeing what the Post Office management have to say about the proposal to turn back the clock.
That was why I gave you an original uptick. I, like you, applaud the use of EV use in the postal service, as they now are starting to do in Australia. My apologies for the harsh language, but reading the full article I'd be hard put to blame the Republicans.
No worries @basilio . I accept you made a genuine mistake. I make them all the time. EV is good. Not all Republicans are bad.
gg
Indeed . And guess what ? EV is a huge part of military tech. They have the deepest pockets and as you point out it makes so much sense from a operational and tactical perspective.To add some fuel to this particular fire because why the hell not, it's a slow news day:
In the same way that tech developed in the aero/spaceflight industry trickles down into ordinary life, the same goes for a lot of military tech. If the battery tech existed, electricity would be the ideal power source for military vehicles because they would now run silently, giving them a massive tactical advantage.
When you're trying to convince someone (in this case, republicans) of something you've gotta speak their language to them, ya know?
Pretty much all politics seems to rely on the public having very short memories, this is no exception to that.But Paul ought to know this is false, because he’s part of the Senate, the body that approved spending for these vehicles in the first place in 2022
Did you check whether Paul voted in the affirmative?This is THE testament to the Economic lunacy of the Trump era. Read and wonder.
Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) stated that the plan “aims to cut unnecessary costs and focus USPS on delivering mail and not achieving the environmental initiatives pushed by the Biden Administration.”
But Paul ought to know this is false, because he’s part of the Senate, the body that approved spending for these vehicles in the first place in 2022
Can we confine the "I hate one side of politics" to general chat.
@Joe Blow
Dont let derangement syndrome leak out of general chat into stock/business threads it ends up hijacking them.
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