Let us spare a thought for our Victorian ASF Members

[Smurf1976]

Many people have pre-existing conditions like heart disease, diabetes, obesity, asthma etc. and live long lives with those conditions kept in check by medication and lifestyle choices.

A particular issue there is that the situation in Victoria making it considerably harder for these people to exercise will in practice knock at least some off their perch.

It won't affect everyone obviously, the rules will be just fine for some, but for some others it will stop them exercising in practice.

 

[satanoperca]

Trouble is, that shows the Sweden model to be a failure with the highest death rate in many years (on an annualised basis obviously given the year isn't over yet).

Can you explain? With some numbers that will provide evidence to your conclusion.

 

[Smurf1976]

Can you explain? With some numbers that will provide evidence to your conclusion.

I don't have it handy but someone else linked them on this forum a couple of weeks ago. Data was total deaths in Sweden.

In short it was a nice low number for 2020 but when annualised for the full 12 months it was the highest of the lot going back many years.

If I come across it then I'll highlight it - there's a few threads on the subject but it was in one of them.

Edit: Here's the same data not the original post: https://www.statista.com/statistics/525353/sweden-number-of-deaths/

Clearly shows that 2020 is, on an annualised basis, the worst and that's going back to 2010 not just a year or two. 62,890 deaths through to 14 August, an annualised rate of 101,570 versus around 89 - 92k for the whole year in each of the previous 10 years. Even if the rate after 14 August was the same as previous years, 2020 would still be the worst.

 

[wayneL]

Watch what is going on in Vic

 

[moXJO]

Watch what is going on in Vic

Government is treading on dangerous ground. I worry this kind of action will lead to organised push back. Groups will use this to fan the flames.

Once you let civil disobedience out of the bottle its very hard to contain it again.

 

[wayneL]

Government is treading on dangerous ground. I worry this kind of action will lead to organised push back. Groups will use this to fan the flames.

Once you let civil disobedience out of the bottle its very hard to contain it again.

I fear the genie may be out of the bottle... the start of an irreversible chain reaction.

Even up here in Queensland I am sensing a growing seething anger happening in a substantive and growing minority.

 

[moXJO]

It will need a trigger event for people to get off their fat arses. At the moment it's still controllable. Lot of outside agitators may take advantage though.

 

[Smurf1976]

Government is treading on dangerous ground. I worry this kind of action will lead to organised push back. Groups will use this to fan the flames.

I'm definitely seeing some evidence that capital and talent wants out.

 

[wayneL]

It will need a trigger event for people to get off their fat arses. At the moment it's still controllable. Lot of outside agitators may take advantage though.

I was pretty triggered by that vid.

 

[moXJO]

I was pretty triggered by that vid.

Anger yeah.
But it takes a lot of fanning and groups exploiting the event toget anyone to do anything.

Be interesting to see all the info of what was going on for the cops to come in and do that.
Just viewing the video, it seemed like a disgusting authoritarian overstep.

Needs more info as to what it was all in relation to.

 

[SirRumpole]

Lucky she wasn't in Minneapolis.

 

[wayneL]

Anger yeah.
But it takes a lot of fanning and groups exploiting the event toget anyone to do anything.

Be interesting to see all the info of what was going on for the cops to come in and do that.
Just viewing the video, it seemed like a disgusting authoritarian overstep.

Needs more info as to what it was all in relation to.

I've got a screenshot of the actual post in question but I can't post it here from my phone.

it was pretty innocuous just basically come on out to the freedom march in Ballarat on the 6th

 

[satanoperca]

Trouble is, that shows the Sweden model to be a failure with the highest death rate in many years (on an annualised basis obviously given the year isn't over yet).

How so?

 

[wayneL]

Apart from cucking up with old folks homes, Sweden has been a spectacular success. they are essentially back to normal and could not give a crap about the rest of the world now.

 

[wayneL]

@moXJO here is the post that got her arrested

 

[satanoperca]

Apart from cucking up with old folks homes, Sweden has been a spectacular success. they are essentially back to normal and could not give a crap about the rest of the world now.

Wayne, I have an issue with you and your statements and ideologies.

Please Wayne, stop it, telling the truth does not help at all.

You need to seek help, being real and understanding the current events, addressing them, looking for a solution, just does not HELP!

Can you change, follow the agenda, inseminate fear.

 

[moXJO]

There's a few coming out now.

 

[cynic]

There's a few coming out now.

Unfortunately, Melbournians are no longer permitted to visit their fellow inmates (unless visiting for the purposes of sexual intimacy or essential caregiving). So, draconian as it may seem, that guy has actually transgressed the law.

 

[qldfrog]

Trouble is, that shows the Sweden model to be a failure with the highest death rate in many years (on an annualised basis obviously given the year isn't over yet).

I quoted:
it will be easy to see the real covid death number by looking at annual death numbers from 2018 to 2021(lets say)
If 10000 people die today but none ever in the following years, is that a failure?
I repeat:
it will be easy to see the real covid death number by looking at annual death numbers from 2018 to 2021(lets say)
Over n years and that is obviously not stopping today or next month, how many extra deaths do you have?
And in percentage obviously, not the usual BS about Brazil or US being the highest in term of deaths, wait till you get India's figures...or compare with Monaco
And is Sweden better or worse than the other countries, even with their older native population?
we will all have the figures in a couple of years, but we have none and can not yet

 

[Smurf1976]

There's a few coming out now.

I thought there's always a requirement to state name and address if asked by police?

You don't need to carry proof of that, you don't need to be carrying "ID" in the way it is commonly taken to mean a driver's licence or similar, but you do need to answer the question.