Let us spare a thought for our Victorian ASF Members

[Smurf1976]

I generally try to avoid outright politics but on the subject of Victoria I'll say this.

No offense to Victorians but there's a certain culture about the place which I've never really liked once I noticed it. A culture of subtle threats and over the top policing that pervades everything from car washing to music festivals.

In the music thread I posted quite a lot of videos (taken by others) of live shows where I was in the audience. Just thought that idea, live music, might cheer someone up given the current restrictions and lack of it. Anyway, there's a good reason why the overwhelming majority aren't from Melbourne. Yep, it irritates me enough that when I was living in Tas and wanted to go to something that wasn't coming to the island state I'd quite happily fly Hobart - Melbourne - Adelaide or Hobart - Sydney so as to avoid Melbourne and it's fun police culture. Just as well - Ms Smurf would probably have gotten arrested once if we'd gone to Vic.......

Anyway, no offense to anyone and I don't hate the place but I noticed that culture long ago and have avoided it ever since. Same reason why I didn't consider moving to the state and wouldn't do so. It's not a political thing - my own observation of it goes back many years prior to the present government and no doubt it's been there far longer than that.

 

[SirRumpole]

I generally try to avoid outright politics but on the subject of Victoria I'll say this.

No offense to Victorians but there's a certain culture about the place which I've never really liked once I noticed it. A culture of subtle threats and over the top policing that pervades everything from car washing to music festivals.

In the music thread I posted quite a lot of videos (taken by others) of live shows where I was in the audience. Just thought that idea, live music, might cheer someone up given the current restrictions and lack of it. Anyway, there's a good reason why the overwhelming majority aren't from Melbourne. Yep, it irritates me enough that when I was living in Tas and wanted to go to something that wasn't coming to the island state I'd quite happily fly Hobart - Melbourne - Adelaide or Hobart - Sydney so as to avoid Melbourne and it's fun police culture. Just as well - Ms Smurf would probably have gotten arrested once if we'd gone to Vic.......

Anyway, no offense to anyone and I don't hate the place but I noticed that culture long ago and have avoided it ever since. Same reason why I didn't consider moving to the state and wouldn't do so. It's not a political thing - my own observation of it goes back many years prior to the present government and no doubt it's been there far longer than that.

Just watching the news broadcasts, it seems the same in most States.

All the States at one time or another have had police forces that were notoriously corrupt and basically political enforcers for whoever was in government.

Askin in NSW, Joh in Qld basically ran the police force for their own purposes. Even SA there were cases of police bashing, even murdering those they didn't like. One has to ask if people like that are still in the forces today, I think the answer is probably yes, the culture doesn't seem to have changed all that much.

I remember in NSW when a foreign Commissioner was bought in to clean up the force, the "boys" made sure he didn't get very far.

Of course there are a lot of good cops, but it's an uphill battle fighting the entrenched culture.

 

[macca]

I have a a thing about the colour black

The reason most Police forces wear any colour BUT black is that black does have a psychological effect on a lot of people.

On the wearer it gives a feeling of power, to the other person it is a threatening colour.

AFAIK the colour of the Vic Police uniforms is only a recent change by the current Govt, it does fit in with the current mentality IMO

 

[wayneL]

Murdoch press is reporting on the rich fleeing Victoria via superyachts and private jets, leaving the working and middle class to rise up against the tyrant.

Viva la revolución, guerreros.

 

[Smurf1976]

Just watching the news broadcasts, it seems the same in most States.

All the States at one time or another have had police forces that were notoriously corrupt and basically political enforcers for whoever was in government.

No doubt there's imperfections everywhere but there's a cultural thing in Vic very widely at least in my perception.

Drive from Adelaide to Melbourne and you'll know you've crossed the border when the speed limit drops 10 km/h for no apparent reason and there's a plethora of signs warning of all the things you can be fined for. And it's no secret that there's stuff all tolerance in Vic when it comes to issuing such fines.

Another one is many years ago myself and a few others between us went to the same music festival in three different states - NSW, Vic and SA. It seems anyone wanting to drink alcohol in Vic needed to stand in some cage-like thing meanwhile no such concept in SA and pretty laid back in NSW too.

Just a lot of little things like that I've noticed over the years where it tends to be a no tolerance heavy handed approach in Vic compared to elsewhere. NSW does seem to have drifted in that same direction in recent years though as an observation.

 

[Smurf1976]

The reason most Police forces wear any colour BUT black is that black does have a psychological effect on a lot of people.

On the wearer it gives a feeling of power, to the other person it is a threatening colour.

Never even thought about that one.

I'm wearing black right now......

 

[IFocus]

I note WA nurses flying into Vic to help (courageous souls) as the front line health professionals fall over with infections.

Given the system being over whelmed in Victoria and the level and number of breaches that have been the cause of the outbreak can the genius here recommend any other path that the Vic Government could take other than a lock down?

Mean while here in WA we are just dandy thanks to our draconian government.

 

[cynic]

I note WA nurses flying into Vic to help (courageous souls) as the front line health professionals fall over with infections.

Given the system being over whelmed in Victoria and the level and number of breaches that have been the cause of the outbreak can the genius here recommend any other path that the Vic Government could take other than a lock down?

Mean while here in WA we are just dandy thanks to our draconian government.

As has been repeatedly stated:

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[Smurf1976]

Given the system being over whelmed in Victoria and the level and number of breaches that have been the cause of the outbreak can the genius here recommend any other path that the Vic Government could take other than a lock down?

I'll say the same thing I said to various people months ago during the first lockdown.

Silly non-medically based restrictions, such as stopping someone learning to drive with their own mother or father with whom they live as supervisor, was completely unnecessary and sure to burn up public goodwill.

Public goodwill - THE most precious of all resources in any situation where you need the general public to go along with something they normally wouldn't do. More precious than gold and no amount of money buys more. Once it's gone, it's gone and then it becomes impossible to sustain compliance with what's being asked.

Once it did occur then, if it were up to me, the apology would have been front page news of that I would have made sure. The whole front page - I'd have personally twisted the arm of newspaper editors to make damn sure this occurred. It's bad enough to tarnish reputation, even worse to not apologise for it.

Keeping the public on side is far more sustainable than a "tough on crime" approach and the situation is at least partly responsible for the many breaches of restrictions in my view.

I also wouldn't ever contract out something like security. I mean seriously - private security guards aren't what you put in charge of something serious like quarantine given that they aren't even permitted to actually enforce any law.

That said, to be fair hindsight is always perfect although I do think those two examples were entirely foreseeable.

 

[Knobby22]

Just like to post some good news.

Down to 73 cases.

(41 deaths).

Hopefully on track for lockdown to finish in two weeks.

Just remember fellow Victorians, if you have the symptoms, get tested so we can trace it and end it. The longer this goes the harder it is for all of us.

 

[satanoperca]

Just like to post some good news.

Down to 73 cases.

(41 deaths).

Hopefully on track for lockdown to finish in two weeks.

Just remember fellow Victorians, if you have the symptoms, get tested so we can trace it and end it. The longer this goes the harder it is for all of us.

Why, not everyone has the position that they can afford to be tested, and show positive and loose their income.

The reason why test cases are down, as people aren't being tested.

Everytime I have had a sniffle, or a sore throat in the last decade, I did not run to the doctors, more so why would I do that know, so I can be traced and documented.

If I was hard on breathing maybe I would get tested, asymptomatic cases are huge, that is why this virus will never be eliminated.

Stop locking down Victoria to save face CCP Andrews, you sacrificing many to save a few.

And before some smart arse makes comment, read my previous posts, I am one of the vulnerable ones due to previous illnesses and I say this is madness.

The lockdown will not end, people are getting upset and will rise up and rebel.

 

[Knobby22]

Why, not everyone has the position that they can afford to be tested, and show positive and loose their income.

The reason why test cases are down, as people aren't being tested.

Everytime I have had a sniffle, or a sore throat in the last decade, I did not run to the doctors, more so why would I do that know, so I can be traced and documented.

If I was hard on breathing maybe I would get tested, asymptomatic cases are huge, that is why this virus will never be eliminated.

Stop locking down Victoria to save face CCP Andrews, you sacrificing many to save a few.

And before some smart arse makes comment, read my previous posts, I am one of the vulnerable ones due to previous illnesses and I say this is madness.

The lockdown will not end, people are getting upset and will rise up and rebel.

Lets hope for the sake of everyone then that you don't catch it and spread it willy-nilly making the lock down last longer (by two weeks if you spread it to your workplace). You can claim $1500 so maybe think of self interest if you are not willing to do your bit?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...ictorian-government-hardship-payment/12478650

 

[satanoperca]

Lets hope for the sake of everyone then that you don't catch it and spread it willy-nilly making the lock down last longer (by two weeks if you spread it to your workplace). You can claim $1500 so maybe think of self interest if you are not willing to do your bit?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...ictorian-government-hardship-payment/12478650

Really, covid sounds like a dream to me, compared to the viruses that have taken, or tried to take my life, harden up, life is not easy.

 

[satanoperca]

Lets hope for the sake of everyone then that you don't catch it and spread it willy-nilly making the lock down last longer (by two weeks if you spread it to your workplace). You can claim $1500 so maybe think of self interest if you are not willing to do your bit?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-07...ictorian-government-hardship-payment/12478650

Sorry just reread your post, lol.

 

[moXJO]

Just like to post some good news.

Down to 73 cases.

(41 deaths).

Hopefully on track for lockdown to finish in two weeks.

Just remember fellow Victorians, if you have the symptoms, get tested so we can trace it and end it. The longer this goes the harder it is for all of us.

41 deaths isn't good news. Isn't that one of the highest they have had?

Is it a rogue stat?

 

[SirRumpole]

41 deaths isn't good news. Isn't that one of the highest they have had?

Is it a rogue stat?

8 deaths overnight 33 who have died in nursing homes in the last couple of months but weren't previously reported.

 

[moXJO]

8 deaths overnight 33 who have died in nursing homes in the last couple of months but weren't previously reported.

No wonder.

Cheers for the clarification.

 

[satanoperca]

41 deaths isn't good news. Isn't that one of the highest they have had?

Is it a rogue stat?

Really, do what 41 deaths, there are 25 Million people in Australia, do the figures, so no one dies at anytime, we all live foreverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Try every 3.15minutes, there is a death in Australia, did you care or even try and understand the figures before this.

Really.

 

[spooly74]

If I was hard on breathing maybe I would get tested, asymptomatic cases are huge, that is why this virus will never be eliminated.

Looking more & more like we can define asymptomatic as immune, hence the apparent burnout rate at approx 20% of population infected.

 

[satanoperca]

Looking more & more like we can define asymptomatic as immune, hence the apparent burnout rate at approx 20% of population infected.

And of those 20% of the population, how many die from the DIRECT result of being infected from Covid.

Numbers start to get smaller and smaller.