Is Turnbull PM material?

[Logique]

I don't think it would be a good idea to recycle Abbott...I have gone off Scot Morrison and Julie Bishop...I doubt Christoper Pyne has the ability....My preference goes to a rank outsiders like Michelia Cash or Steve Chiobo.

I also doubt that the Libs will go back to Tony Abbott.

The moment might have passed for Julie Bishop, so Malcolm Turnbull may survive. Although it would be a supreme irony if Bishop ended up in charge of this stinking mess. Like being run over by the Karma bus.

The Turnbull women's auxiliary (Albrechtsen, Devine and Savva) have gone very quiet lately. Those pesky DelCons were important after all. It's a pity, as the first two usually make a lot of sense.

 

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UNIFIED ?????...LMAO

What about the 50 + Labor MPs who want to allow the return of the illegal boats...They do not agree with their leader about "TURN BACK" and you say they are unified......They are split right down the middle on that one and maybe more that we do not know about.....The SS men keep most of the Labor MPs under control and treat them like puppets......If one dares to speak out of turn and he/she is in trouble..50 + can possibly get away with it.

Not sure what that anti-Labor rant has to do with the topic: Is Turnbull PM material? Let's await the outcome of the count and accept a Government of either persuasion as the democratically-elected Government that represents the will of the electorate on election day.
No use arguing the why's and wherefore's, least of all requesting a change of rules. Tinkering with the Senate ballot paper was bad enough; instead of reducing the size of the cross benches, it had the exact opposite effect. It made it much easier for the voters to express their true feelings and vote AGAINST.

Which brings me back to the question "Is Turnbull PM material?"
IMHO, the answer is "Not any more!"

"Prime Minister" translates, literally, as "First Servant" = serving his country, that is, in executing the affairs of all citizens in accordance with their wishes.
The most important task to achieve that goal is negotiating with representatives of those groups who hold different views to one's own - the exact opposite to the dummy spit that resulted in a double dissolution.
Listening to others and presenting a mutually acceptable compromise BEFORE putting it to a vote, is the second most important task. Turnbull has been found lacking in that regard as well. Not only does he lack a cohesive plan, as evidenced by the many "Let's try... - oops, no, doesn't work" backflips, but he refuses to listen, let alone work towards a compromise, that reflects the interests of groups different to his own Harbourside neighbourhood. In three words: "Out Of Touch!"

 

[Tisme]

I also doubt that the Libs will go back to Tony Abbott.

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Andrew Bolt is doing his bestest:

TONY Abbott must return as leader of the shattered Liberals after Saturday’s election disaster.

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull out, Abbott in — even if journalists still sneer.

:luigi:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/op...y/news-story/52abeac6c66ec81279128860ef244b62

 

[Tisme]

UNIFIED ?????...LMAO

What about the 50 + Labor MPs who want to allow the return of the illegal boats...They do not agree with their leader about "TURN BACK" and you say they are unified......They are split right down the middle on that one and maybe more that we do not know about.....The SS men keep most of the Labor MPs under control and treat them like puppets......If one dares to speak out of turn and he/she is in trouble..50 + can possibly get away with it.

“You light him up, there’s a bit of a fizz, but then nothing… nothing.” PAUL KEATING on Malcolm Turnbull

 

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Just listening to Turnbull's speech to the Press:
He still lives in denial, claiming it's all Labor's fault. They lied about Medicare and that will have repercussions. We must do a better job to convince the electorate that we can be trusted (and Labor can NOT.)

 

[Logique]

The best Health Minister in a fair while. But if you believe the correspondent, she will go under the bus for the sake of Malcolm's ego.

Turnbull now blames a woman for his own failures
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...bull_now_blames_a_woman_for_his_own_failures/
Phil Coorey:
Turnbull still faces internal problems, including warnings that Health Minister Sussan Ley will fight being a scapegoat for the failure to combat Labor’s “Mediscare” campaign…

(T)here is rampant speculation that Ms Ley will be shifted after Mr Turnbull conceded this week that Labor’s Medicare campaign had exposed health as a policy weak spot for the Coalition.

But sources said Ms Ley was angry at what she regarded as being “scapegoated”. Throughout the campaign, the National Press Club – which hosted a number of portfolio debates between ministers and their shadow counterparts – wanted a health debate. Labor’s Catherine King was keen and so was Ms Ley who wanted to hit back on Medicare.

But she was stopped by the Coalition campaign team. It vetoed the health debate and other efforts by her to hit back because it was a topic which was not a strength..

 

[Tink]

Well Turnbull has nothing to talk about, as everything achieved, was achieved through Abbott.

Abbott received a majority -- did Turnbull?

I have already said, who needs two left leaning parties. three including the Greens -- and in my view, the reason for so many minor right parties appearing.

If Turnbull moves any further left, he will end up like Cameron in the UK, with a swift kick.

I see he changed the Liberal tag to the Turnbull Coalition -- what happened to the Liberal party logo?

In saying that, I like my Liberal representative.

 

[noco]

Well Turnbull has nothing to talk about, as everything achieved, was achieved through Abbott.

Abbott received a majority -- did Turnbull?

I have already said, who needs two left leaning parties. three including the Greens -- and in my view, the reason for so many minor right parties appearing.

If Turnbull moves any further left, he will end up like Cameron in the UK, with a swift kick.

I see he changed the Liberal tag to the Turnbull Coalition -- what happened to the Liberal party logo?

In saying that, I like my Liberal representative.

I am beginning to think Turnbull is as shifty as Shorten......Both too far to the left.

His campaign director offered him the tools to fight Shorten but refused to use them....Susan Leigh was also held back from the attack on the Medicare lie

Turnbull called a DD on the grounds of TURC report to bring back the ABCC and hardly a word was mentioned during the campaign.

Am beginning to think Turnbull could have been working behind the scenes to get Shorten elected.

I don't trust this man...He has to go as he is not a true Liberal.

 

[Knobby22]

Honestly, stop reading Andrew Bolt.
Bolt was on the radio saying vote Labor to stop Turnbull. The man has seriously lost perspective.

 

[noco]

Honestly, stop reading Andrew Bolt.
Bolt was on the radio saying vote Labor to stop Turnbull. The man has seriously lost perspective.

Your imagination is running your brain......You are using pure supposition.

I have my own thoughts on the situation and I don't need the influence of Andrew Bolt to sway me one way or the other.....

As far as I am concerned Tunrbull is a Labor Party stooge and I still don't understand why the Labor Party refused his application to join the Labor Party.

 

[SirRumpole]

Your imagination is running your brain......You are using pure supposition.

I have my own thoughts on the situation and I don't need the influence of Andrew Bolt to sway me one way or the other.....

As far as I am concerned Tunrbull is a Labor Party stooge and I still don't understand why the Labor Party refused his application to join the Labor Party.

A lot of damage was done by Tony Abbott's broken promises and simple inability to do the job of PM. That eroded any trust the electorate had in the Libs. But Turnbull ran a weak campaign with only one tissue paper thin policy of corporate tax cuts.

All in all , the LNP will be lucky if they scrape back, they don't deserve to.

 

[noco]

A lot of damage was done by Tony Abbott's broken promises and simple inability to do the job of PM. That eroded any trust the electorate had in the Libs. But Turnbull ran a weak campaign with only one tissue paper thin policy of corporate tax cuts.

All in all , the LNP will be lucky if they scrape back, they don't deserve to.

And the Labor Party did not deserve to win government either.

No Tony Abbott had to break his promises due to the poor state of the books left by Labor.

Swan and Gillard said 500 times in 2013 that they would go into the 2013 election with a surplus.....Then it went a $2 billion deficit.....Then $11 billion....then $17 billion....then $22 billion all in 2 weeks......The NDIS and the Gonski scheme were never properly funded.....Penny Wrong was only out by $113 billion as finance Minister...Abbott had no idea the economy was in a worse situation than had been expressed by the irresponsible Labor Party and you w**kers were quite happy to pin the blame on Abbott and never let him live it down and yes he should never had made those commitments

I tell you what voters will not have any trust in Shorten in 3 years when they realize Shorten lied through his teeth about the privatization of Medicare......

Whilst the Liberal vote was down 1 million, Labor has nothing to crow about when they achieved the second lowest vote on record......Their primary vote was down 500,000.

Unfortunately, we will see as much obstruction from Labor as we have seen previously all in the National interest of course......Labor will do everything in their power to make sure fiscal remedy is prevented....Labor will continue to block any savings...It is time Labor took some responsibility for their poor economic management and showed some bi-partisan support to bring the economy back into the black ....all in the national interest of course.

 

[SirRumpole]

.Abbott had no idea the economy was in a worse situation than had been expressed by the irresponsible Labor Party and you w**kers were quite happy to pin the blame on Abbott and never let him live it down and yes he should never had made those commitments

And w**kers like you were quite happy to spend millions on a Royal Commission into Bill Shorten than proved nothing, and now your w*nker leader after all his rubbish about the ABCC doesn't even have the number of seats to get it through in a joint sitting.

Put the blame on Abbott for breaking promises ??? Bwaa. Who else ? He should have does his homework before he made promises he couldn't keep.

W*nker.

 

[noco]

And w**kers like you were quite happy to spend millions on a Royal Commission into Bill Shorten than proved nothing, and now your w*nker leader after all his rubbish about the ABCC doesn't even have the number of seats to get it through in a joint sitting.

Put the blame on Abbott for breaking promises ??? Bwaa. Who else ? He should have does his homework before he made promises he couldn't keep.

W*nker.

Abbott did his home work with treasury but was given the wrong information....Wakie wakie !!!!!

So the TURC proved nothing ha.....Where have you been lately Rumpy?......You seem to be behind with the news.

100 corrupt union officials charged with 1000 offences.....The CFMEU and 3 officials fined $45,000 this week for corrupt practices.

And you say the TURC has found nothing???????????????

 

[PZ.]

Joe has been kind enough to add a poll of into this thread if anyone wants to cast a yes or no vote. Polling since the election has favoured Labor but also favoured Turnbull over Shorten as better prime minister by quite a substantial margin. The experts have had their say but what do ASF members think?

For the record I voted yes in this thread and no in the Shorten thread

Meanwhile: http://www.news.com.au/national/bre...t/news-story/18a39384d25c97055af0da453ea047f3
Turnbull, Shorten renew political fight
January 16, 20173:33pm
Paul Osborne, AAP Senior Political WriterAustralian Associated Press

Malcolm Turnbull and Bill Shorten have sought to turn the political focus to jobs and industry, as questions continue over politicians' perks and Labor lengthens its poll lead.

The latest ReachTel poll gives Labor a 54-46 two-party preferred edge over the coalition after a rocky Christmas and New Year period for the government.

The prime minister visited a restaurant, real estate agent, museum and laundry service in the southern Queensland regional city of Toowoomba on Monday as he talked up the job benefits of trade deals and infrastructure spending.

Mr Turnbull says inland rail, a second Toowoomba range crossing and a new airport are examples of federal policy and spending boosting regional economic growth.

Returning from his Christmas break, Mr Shorten visited a manufacturing plant in Melbourne pledging to make 2017 a year of "Australian jobs".

Taking aim at the government over the expenses scandal he said: "We need to demonstrate to Australians that we're working for them, not just for ourselves."

Mr Shorten says the key issue for Australians is jobs, including boosting trade skills and apprenticeships for young people and getting unemployed people in their 50s and 60s into work, but what they've seen is a "summer of scandal and stuff-up".

"The real fight is for Australian jobs and that is why it is important that all of us in politics work together to buy Australian, build Australian and to employ Australian."

Mr Turnbull, who will be in Queensland for two days, says he is committed to ensuring politicians spend taxpayers' money prudently.

"Let's be very clear - the Australian people pay our bills and they have every right to be satisfied that when we spend money on travel expenses or accommodation we're doing so as a legitimate business expense," Mr Turnbull said.

The trip to Queensland will mean the prime minister won't announce his replacement for the outgoing Health Minister Sussan Ley until late Tuesday or Wednesday.

Ms Ley resigned on Friday after failing to properly explain her taxpayer expenses for trips to the Gold Coast.

She is widely expected to be replaced by NSW senator Arthur Sinodinos, who is cabinet secretary and acting in the health role.

This would avoid a broader cabinet reshuffle.

Labor has promised to bring in its own changes to MP expenses rules if the government doesn't act when parliament resumes on February 7.

Mr Turnbull also took aim at Mr Shorten over trade policy, saying the Labor leader was a "shallow populist" for opposing the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which faces the axe under the incoming US President Donald Trump.

Mr Shorten says the "door has closed" on the TPP and the government should be looking for other opportunities to boost trade.

 

[Tisme]

Mr Turnbull also took aim at Mr Shorten over trade policy, saying the Labor leader was a "shallow populist" for opposing the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which faces the axe under the incoming US President Donald Trump.

Hahaha ... he's kidding right. That from a newter Tom.

 

[Tisme]

For the record I voted yes in this thread and no in the Shorten thread

You tainted the integrity of the poll by stating your position. It's now weighted by how you are perceived by each individual.

Besides, neither of them is worth a twopenny-halfpenny (pronounced tuppeny-haypney for those too young)

 

[SirRumpole]

Mr Turnbull also took aim at Mr Shorten over trade policy, saying the Labor leader was a "shallow populist" for opposing the Trans-Pacific Partnership - which faces the axe under the incoming US President Donald Trump.

Mr Shorten says the "door has closed" on the TPP and the government should be looking for other opportunities to boost trade.

I don't know why some people are obsessed with 'Free' Trade agreements. We have one with the US and they got a lot more out of it than we did. OK if we have agreements with less economically developed nations because we can export our foods and services and have to import little return.

I'm sure that's how the US views their relationship with Australia.

 

[PZ.]

You tainted the integrity of the poll by stating your position. It's now weighted by how you are perceived by each individual.

Besides, neither of them is worth a twopenny-halfpenny (pronounced tuppeny-haypney for those too young)

LOL. Just wanted to bypass the verdict from all the independent judges as to my political leanings
(oops - a lefty smilie)

Agree they're worth nothing. But for different reasons. The right wingers in Abbott's Coalition spent 6 years blocking Govt policies from opposition but now they are doing to their own Govt. Add in the current hostile senate and you end up with a PM who can't govern regardless of what colour their how-to-vote card is. Backpacker tax being a good example. But despite all of this Turnbull outpolls Shorten as preferred leader. I presume it's a trust/honesty factor?

I don't know why some people are obsessed with 'Free' Trade agreements. We have one with the US and they got a lot more out of it than we did. OK if we have agreements with less economically developed nations because we can export our foods and services and have to import little return.
I'm sure that's how the US views their relationship with Australia.

Agreed. We don't seem to have much of a track record of benefiting from FTA's

 

[SirRumpole]

But despite all of this Turnbull outpolls Shorten as preferred leader. I presume it's a trust/honesty factor?

How much does "preferred leader" really matter ? It's the Party that forms government that matters, and while a popular leader is obviously good for the Party, both Turnbull and Shorten are unpopular, but Shorten is more unpopular than Turnbull.