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Is Turnbull PM material?

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by SirRumpole, Jun 1, 2016.

Is Turnbull PM material?

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  1. SirRumpole

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    Gives a tax cut to big business costing $50 billion over 10 years, with most of the profits going to foreign shareholders or the US government and no word on how he is going to fund this.

    All this when he has produced record debt and deficit.

    Why should we think this is anything else but money for the mates and that he is an incompetent ?
     
  2. pixel

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    Re: Is Turnbull PM material ?

    In any other country, that could be construed as treason.
    "Advance Australia Fair?" Doesn't look like it...
     
  3. SirRumpole

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    What's $50B of other people's money between friends? Right?

    And it is other people's money since the hole needs to be filled - either through other taxes on other people, or through cutting of spending and investments.

    Strange how for corporations and rich people, it's always the case that they would work hard and be more productive if they have more money; For everyone else, they'll work harder, and the economy will be better off, if they have less money.
     
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  6. SirRumpole

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    I wouldn't think so. It's probably the worst economic policy ever taken into an election campaign and if Labor can't pull it totally to pieces then I have to wonder if they are up to the job either.
     
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    Maybe it's failure by design.

    Also a trade off - we plebs get to call them idiots and they and pals get to take our money. :xyxthumbs
     
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    When Malcolm Turnbull ousted Abbott, he came across as a rational Statesman, putting the finger on issues that had gone astray, and explained his new course reasonably well and credibly.
    Combined with his previously expressed position on issues, such as Republic, NBN, Gender Equality, he started with an enormous amount of credibility and good will. Even some hitherto staunch Labor voters were swayed to approve of the change.

    Once he had achieved the position he'd craved for so long, things went pear-shaped. The true MalCon emerged, copying everything from his predecessor, up to and including the arrogance "I'm the only one that can lead this country" and "the other mob can't be trusted".

    Fact is, after so many backflips in such a short time, he has used up all his goodwill and proved the least trustworthy of the lot. IMO, the final nail in his electability coffin was his dummy-spit "If I don't get it all my way, let's toss out everybody that disagrees with me, and demand the voters elect whom I say they must." We need Parliamentarians, who can negotiate with each other to represent the whole of the Australian population, not a Wolf who cons the sheeple with promises of jobs and prosperity in order to attain a position where he can shuck his sheep's clothes.
     
  9. CanOz

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    You're in dream land Pixel...:rolleyes:

    I certainly don't see how MT is any more of a thief, liar and conman than BS.

    They're politicians, what do you expect?
     
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    I agree with some of pixel re credibility when he started. The issue with politics these days is that focus appears very short term. And for party A whatever party B says must be wrong and vice versa - at least reported that way. And little agreement otherwise where some things do make sense. And politicians that tell the story truly as it is without spin. but hey, that might cost them their seat?!?
     
  11. pixel

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    Again, CanOz, you're drawing the wrong conclusion.

    I didn't say anything about BS' trustworthiness. It is the acme of arrogance for the pot to call the kettle black. The electorate votes a group of representatives into Parliament, expecting them to discuss / "parler" matters out and arrive at a mutually acceptable policy. A handful of crosses or preferences that got one party across the line does not entitle a small majority to disregard the interests and opinions of the smaller half that just missed the cut.

    Both major parties suffer from the same delusion of adequacy. Both are wrong.
     
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    Turnbull is not the Messiah.

    Someone has to pay for this Australian mess. If you can't beat a lying union hack like Shorten then you don't deserve the job of PM.

    Turnbull must go. He has no credentials to turn this debacle around in the long run. So better to change now.
     
  13. SirRumpole

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    To whom ?
     
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    I say patience.

    Let's first see what the final count is in the Reps is and whether or not he can form government.
     
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    I don't think it would be a good idea to recycle Abbott...I have gone off Scot Morrison and Julie Bishop...I doubt Christoper Pyne has the ability....My preference goes to a rank outsiders like Michelia Cash or Steve Chiobo.
     
  16. CanOz

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    Australian politics is just a mess, its no wonder. You lot don't give anybody a chance. If they don't get a landslide y'all want to change them like ya change your shorts. What a joke.:banghead: They didn't get in because the voters are polarized, don't shoot the leader, he was polling very well ahead of the Medicare nightmare.....perhaps labor would have won if Tony had been running the show? As Smith points out, at least give the vote counters a chance to finish...:rolleyes:
     
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    I agree CanOz, without MT, Labour would be in now.
    I believe MT did a major miscalculation/call it arrogance if you want to, in dismissing Shorten , not fighting enough and expecting the public to see the BS in Mediscare.Was not helped by rumour weeks before the election of Dutton mentionning a possible return of Abbott (aka not having a clear support )
    So now we know that neg gearing and deficit are here to stay as is middle class and pensionner welfare..
     
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    I am beginning to wonder if there is not some kind of conspiracy here between Turnbull and Shorten to lead us into Socialism......I have never really trusted Turnbull ever since he wanted to join the Labor Party but was refused entry....I mean why would any party refuse a person wanting to join a political party so long as they paid their fees?..There is something fishy here.

    Did the Labor Party suggest to Turnbull that he would be more useful to them in the Liberal Party?.....I mean if Turnbull wanted to join the Labor Party he surely would have had some tendencies towards socialism and he has shown he has moved the Liberals more to the left which is veering away from true Liberalism.

    During his reign since last September he seems to have made little effort in showing true leadership in making some hard decision on the economy....He has made no effort in explaining to voters the true economic crisis and no attempt to sell a remedy to fix the problems left by Labor.....He appears to be swayed by the media and public opinion which indicates a weak leader.

    IMHO, I cannot see him lasting the distance.
     
  19. SirRumpole

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    You know the old saying noco, if there is a choice between a conspiracy and a stuff up , go for the stuff up.

    Actually, I think it's more the more of Abbott and his supporters who held Turnbull on a short leash over such things as renewable energy, gay marriage and education policy.

    But, that just shows that MT can't control his divided Party, whereas for the moment at least Labor appears unified.
     
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    UNIFIED ?????...LMAO

    What about the 50 + Labor MPs who want to allow the return of the illegal boats...They do not agree with their leader about "TURN BACK" and you say they are unified......They are split right down the middle on that one and maybe more that we do not know about.....The SS men keep most of the Labor MPs under control and treat them like puppets......If one dares to speak out of turn and he/she is in trouble..50 + can possibly get away with it.
     
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