Trump Derangement Syndrome

[moXJO]

Come to the light side Mo!

I just can't wait for Donald Jnr to be charged with perjury, bet he's done a lot worse. Is it Cohen who claims Trump himself helped Donald Jnr make up the B.S. story that may get Jnr charged?

I'm a kiwi, we bang the sheep, not get down on all fours and bleat like one.
I prefer to question supposed mainstream wisdom.



If dems swing either house then its goodbye Trumpy. They will subpoena his arse on what he had for breakfast and lump all family and associates as well. Imo you won't have to wait long.
Dems funding is about $440 million to Gop $200 something million.
With funding like that in the midterms I don't see how they wouldn't win.

 

[SirRumpole]

It wouldn't surprise me if investigations into his dependencies on Russian financiers for his businesses are going on right now.

Why else would he be so friendly to Putin and so much of an a.hole to allies ?

Follow the money and you usually find the truth.

 

[moXJO]

It wouldn't surprise me if investigations into his dependencies on Russian financiers for his businesses are going on right now.

Why else would he be so friendly to Putin and so much of an a.hole to allies ?

Follow the money and you usually find the truth.

If Dems swing majority they can get all trumps tax records and lots of other juicy stuff. There will be a lot of sweating reps if the numbers don't look good.

 

[moXJO]

Found an exceptionally good analysis of Donald Trumps treatment of the Press.

The surprise ? Came from Fox News. Give it its due.

Rip James Rosen

 

[basilio]

I reckon this Shep guy has some cojones. Not to mention journalistic integrity. Check out this systematic takedown of Sean Hannity.

 

[moXJO]

I reckon this Shep guy has some cojones. Not to mention journalistic integrity. Check out this systematic takedown of Sean Hannity.

I think he is gay as well. Gotta have stones to be on fox.

 

[moXJO]

Found an exceptionally good analysis of Donald Trumps treatment of the Press.

The surprise ? Came from Fox News. Give it its due.

I disagree on a couple of points with this guy. Any reporter that prints articles that deal in lies is in fact an "enemy" of the people. Whether its state sponsored or biased reporting. And its been around for a while. A free press should report the facts. Not play games, or entrap people as their next headline.

People should be informed on the facts of a story. Not be led with half truths. And thats either side of the political spectrum.
A free press that is out of control should be called out. As soon as Trump mentioned "fake news" a lot of them pulled their heads in and tried to regain the integrity they lost over the years.

I've had a few in the family successfully sue the media for defamation. Large sums that the lawyers ended up with.
They are so far off with a lot of their stories that it should be classed as fiction.

 

[basilio]

You certainly conflate many issues there moXjo.

Can/does the media cause many people heartbreak and distress with either bad reporting, malicious reporting or just sensationalist rubbish? Absolutely. And unfortunately the average Joe is ill equipped to deal with it.

But the issue of "fake news" and completely untrue political assissinations ? Truly it is the rabid right wing Press that has had a field day here.

How many years of fanning vicious rubbish about President Obamas legitimacy?
How many scores of vile lies constructed around the Clintons? The buried bodies ? The pedophiles ?
In the last election the constructed "fake news" was overwhelmingly against the Democrats. Or have you forgotten all that.

As for Donald Trump. He has overwhelmed everyone with a relentless barrage of untruths since God-knows-when. It's not as if he started last year or in the last decade. ANY look at his business dealings exposes a process of lying and abuse as a business tool. He has just charged into the Presidency and taken his lying ways with him.

The details of his falsehood? Actually a number of organisations have kept a record. It's not hard to find multiple lists with various degrees of detail.

I suppose the latest one that I find a real mind bender is his calling out of the Press for "Fake News" when they noted he was about 15 minutes late to see the Queen in England. Now this was all in public. The Queen is waiting, waiting.. We can be absolutely certain that everyone was given the right time to turn up... but Donald Trump was late.

Ok . Xhit happens. But now he thunders against the Press for saying he was late by claiming that he was early and the Queen kept him waiting. Millions and Millions of people were watching this recorded event and we all know who turned up 15 minutes late. And yet this sociopath rails against the Press for "Fake news" because they didn't make up the right story to suit his worship. Like how crazy is this ?

In this instance I really wish the Palace and the British government would issue a formal clarification over the event and present it to the American ambassador to call out this rubbish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-claims-in-497-days/?utm_term=.b9f350f1439a
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...mps-escalating-war-on-the-truth-is-on-purpose

 

[basilio]

Finally the facts about Donald Trump and the Queen.

Trump-Queen visit: Was the US president late?
By Reality Check team BBC News


Claim: President Trump says he was not late for the Queen when they met in July. He says he was actually early.

Reality Check verdict: The president arrived and met the Queen on time, according to the official schedule. However, he didn't arrive 15 minutes early as he claims.

President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania denied that he was late for the Queen, calling the story "disgusting".

"So here was the story by the fake news: the president was 15 minutes late for the Queen - wrong," he said.

In fact, said the president, he was early.

"I was about 15 minutes early and I'm waiting with my wife and that's fine - hey, it's the Queen, right?"

So what actually happened?

Let's go back to 13 July for the president's visit to Windsor Castle.

From the live BBC television pictures on the day we can see that as the time approaches 17:00, the Queen is standing alone on the dais in the castle quadrangle.

Some journalists on Twitter pointed out that the Queen had been waiting there for some time and some said that she had even been checking her watch.
So had the Queen been kept waiting by the US president?

The answer is no - according to the official schedule. The president arrived almost exactly on time.

The TV pictures show that President Trump stepped out of the car at 17:01, and greets the Queen shortly afterwards (he was due to enter the quadrangle at 17:00).

So he was on time, but had he had to wait? Was he "15 minutes early", as he claimed?

From the TV footage we know President Trump's helicopter landed in the castle grounds at about 16:50, which was on schedule.

Let's assume it took President Trump and the First Lady five minutes to unstrap themselves from their seats, make their way down the steps and get into their car.

Then another five minutes to travel the approximately 500m from the landing site to the dais where the Queen was waiting (the vehicle can be seen travelling at walking speed - say about 4mph ).

That takes us to 17:00 - almost the exact time of the arrival of the presidential vehicle at the Queen's dais. So not enough time for 15 minutes of waiting time to have elapsed.

PS I was quite wrong in my previous post.. Donald Trump was not that late at all (but he certainly wasn't early..It looks like the Queen was early and Donald about 1 minute late.

 

[moXJO]

You certainly conflate many issues there moXjo.

Can/does the media cause many people heartbreak and distress with either bad reporting, malicious reporting or just sensationalist rubbish? Absolutely. And unfortunately the average Joe is ill equipped to deal with it.

But the issue of "fake news" and completely untrue political assissinations ? Truly it is the rabid right wing Press that has had a field day here.

How many years of fanning vicious rubbish about President Obamas legitimacy?
How many scores of vile lies constructed around the Clintons? The buried bodies ? The pedophiles ?
In the last election the constructed "fake news" was overwhelmingly against the Democrats. Or have you forgotten all that.

As for Donald Trump. He has overwhelmed everyone with a relentless barrage of untruths since God-knows-when. It's not as if he started last year or in the last decade. ANY look at his business dealings exposes a process of lying and abuse as a business tool. He has just charged into the Presidency and taken his lying ways with him.

The details of his falsehood? Actually a number of organisations have kept a record. It's not hard to find multiple lists with various degrees of detail.

I suppose the latest one that I find a real mind bender is his calling out of the Press for "Fake News" when they noted he was about 15 minutes late to see the Queen in England. Now this was all in public. The Queen is waiting, waiting.. We can be absolutely certain that everyone was given the right time to turn up... but Donald Trump was late.

Ok . Xhit happens. But now he thunders against the Press for saying he was late by claiming that he was early and the Queen kept him waiting. Millions and Millions of people were watching this recorded event and we all know who turned up 15 minutes late. And yet this sociopath rails against the Press for "Fake news" because they didn't make up the right story to suit his worship. Like how crazy is this ?

In this instance I really wish the Palace and the British government would issue a formal clarification over the event and present it to the American ambassador to call out this rubbish.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ng-claims-in-497-days/?utm_term=.b9f350f1439a
https://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/statements/byruling/false/
https://www.newyorker.com/news/lett...mps-escalating-war-on-the-truth-is-on-purpose

I wasn't just calling out left news.

 

[basilio]

I have to reflect on the last two posts.

In the first instance it looked as if Donald Trump was late because the Queen was there, waiting and seemingly for "some time" .(I'm not sure if anyone can say how long she was in position)

The Donald Trump turns up and, from one perspective,he seems to have been late.

Now it seems clear that in fact he was on time after all.

So why did Donald Trump have to make up a story that he in fact was 15 minutes early and the Queen kept him waiting? What would have been wrong with just pointing out that he was on time, the Queen was a few minutes early and he wished the Press had checked out the official timetable?

On the big picture does this materially alter the other 4000 plus examples of Donald Trump just making up sxxx to suit himself? Hardly. After all he fabricated his "I was early" line when it clearly was not the case.

 

[moXJO]

PS I was quite wrong in my previous post.. Donald Trump was not that late at all (but he certainly wasn't early..It looks like the Queen was early and Donald about 1 minute late.

Perfect example of where we are at.
" He was 15 mins late"
"Nah I was 15 mins early"

Truth as best we know.... He was about on time.

 

[Tisme]

Finally the facts about Donald Trump and the Queen.

Trump-Queen visit: Was the US president late?
By Reality Check team BBC News


Claim: President Trump says he was not late for the Queen when they met in July. He says he was actually early.

Reality Check verdict: The president arrived and met the Queen on time, according to the official schedule. However, he didn't arrive 15 minutes early as he claims.

President Donald Trump at a rally in Pennsylvania denied that he was late for the Queen, calling the story "disgusting".

"So here was the story by the fake news: the president was 15 minutes late for the Queen - wrong," he said.

In fact, said the president, he was early.

"I was about 15 minutes early and I'm waiting with my wife and that's fine - hey, it's the Queen, right?"

So what actually happened?

Let's go back to 13 July for the president's visit to Windsor Castle.

From the live BBC television pictures on the day we can see that as the time approaches 17:00, the Queen is standing alone on the dais in the castle quadrangle.

Some journalists on Twitter pointed out that the Queen had been waiting there for some time and some said that she had even been checking her watch.
So had the Queen been kept waiting by the US president?

The answer is no - according to the official schedule. The president arrived almost exactly on time.

The TV pictures show that President Trump stepped out of the car at 17:01, and greets the Queen shortly afterwards (he was due to enter the quadrangle at 17:00).

So he was on time, but had he had to wait? Was he "15 minutes early", as he claimed?

From the TV footage we know President Trump's helicopter landed in the castle grounds at about 16:50, which was on schedule.

Let's assume it took President Trump and the First Lady five minutes to unstrap themselves from their seats, make their way down the steps and get into their car.

Then another five minutes to travel the approximately 500m from the landing site to the dais where the Queen was waiting (the vehicle can be seen travelling at walking speed - say about 4mph ).

That takes us to 17:00 - almost the exact time of the arrival of the presidential vehicle at the Queen's dais. So not enough time for 15 minutes of waiting time to have elapsed.

PS I was quite wrong in my previous post.. Donald Trump was not that late at all (but he certainly wasn't early..It looks like the Queen was early and Donald about 1 minute late.

Good to see the big resources of BBC being employed for such important stuff.

 

[Tisme]

Perfect example of where we are at.
" He was 15 mins late"
"Nah I was 15 mins early"

Truth as best we know.... He was about on time.

The helo would be locked in with air traffic control, by his own secretaries, etc. The story is lame and shows how boring tit people who follow and delight at this kind of rubbish have boring tit lives.

 

[Darc Knight]

.As for Donald Trump. He has overwhelmed everyone with a relentless barrage of untruths since God-knows-when. It's not as if he started last year or in the last decade. ANY look at his business dealings exposes a process of lying and abuse as a business tool. He has just charged into the Presidency and taken his lying ways with him.

That seems to some up Trump. He uses every trick in the book and is relentless about it. If he can't win he'll just try to wear you down. Most Sociopaths are like that.
I'd say Trump is still a Sociopath. Age hasn't mellowed him. Time will tell.

 

[wayneL]

Sociopaths aren't obviously sociopathic. They are more covert...

...like Obama.

 

[SirRumpole]

Sociopaths aren't obviously sociopathic. They are more covert...

...like Obama.

Cheap shots again. Justify your allegation that Obama is a sociopath.

 

[moXJO]

Cheap shots again. Justify your allegation that Obama is a sociopath.

His drone bombing program.
Attempts to get at Syria.
Breaking international laws and basically invading Pakistan to get Osama. Then taking full credit for it.
He took luxury holidays at massive expense while the rest of the country were doing it tough.
Lack of emotion.
Smooth operator.
Makes a great first impression.
Serial actor that could instantly switch off after speech.
Benghazi.
Pity party he threw when he couldn't get his way.
At the high end of US politics you would be all classed as something.

Trump wouldn't be classed as one. He rants and raves and shows too many range of emotions. Habitual liar, arrogant and possibly something else. But he doesn't really fit the bill. He is too much of a friken mess.

 

[SirRumpole]

His drone bombing program.

Precision attacks resulting in less casualties overall.

Has Trump stopped them ?

 

[moXJO]

Precision attacks resulting in less casualties overall.

Has Trump stopped them ?

Like bombing weddings..... precisely.