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Darc Knight said:
I'm surprised they've gotten this close to Trump. Generally, leaders like organised crime bosses make sure they are pulling the strings from a safe distance and layer of subordinates.
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Like hillary did.
Trump is either being setup, or very naive/arrogant thinking he would get away with it.
We then have guys like Tom steyer donating $110million to impeach trump. That money is basically a propaganda fund and the fake twitter/ news are already pumping around.
You also have guys like Soros and the koch brothers funding groups. Even in australia we have guys funding the left for things like mma/boxing/kickboxing training(I trained a few) on top of propaganda via social media. Its a very slick production.
 
moXJO said:
Like hillary did.
Trump is either being setup, or very naive/arrogant thinking he would get away with it.
We then have guys like Tom steyer donating $110million to impeach trump. That money is basically a propaganda fund and the fake twitter/ news are already pumping around.
You also have guys like Soros and the koch brothers funding groups. Even in australia we have guys funding the left for things like mma/boxing/kickboxing training(I trained a few) on top of propaganda via social media. Its a very slick production.
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Wat?

Just because Hilary or Rolf Harris did something doesn't excuse Trump or anyone else from being accountable.
You're just arguing again.
 
SirRumpole said:
Hillary isn't being investigated for election fraud.

Remember Trump saying he would put her away ? Why hasn't he done it ?
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Quite simple Sir Rumpole. Because there is no evidence. It is interesting that many of those who excuse Trump on the basis he has not been prosecuted and dismiss everything that has been said against him on that basis, are willing to trot out the slanderous accusations against Hillary emanating from Fox News, Infowars and the myriad of shock jocks, none of which is based on evidence that survives even the most rudimentary scrutiny.

Hillary has been investigated when there was credible evidence but found to not have committed a crime, just that she acted recklessly.
 
moXJO said:
Hillary literally ran a private server and deleted and destroyed computer equipment so agents couldn't recover details. We had fbi agents declaring they would "stop trump". And a dossier from a foreign spy that tapped Russian sources on the shoulder.
The truth about trump will come out. I'm not sure the truth about the rest of it will.
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Yes it's interesting on one hand that Hillary shielded herself from hacking by using her own account, but the 13 July indictment against the GRU (Russian Govt) and 12 individuals (Russian military officers = spies) is for trying to hack the DCCC and other Hillary Clinton staffers. They accused of releasing email contents under the guise of "DCLeaks" and "Guccifer 2.0" online to the public....obviously Hillary's private email was OK until she wiped it ... I wonder why she did that.

There is a question whether they successfully achieved a different outcome to the vote.
 
bellenuit said:
Quite simple Sir Rumpole. Because there is no evidence. It is interesting that many of those who excuse Trump on the basis he has not been prosecuted and dismiss everything that has been said against him on that basis, are willing to trot out the slanderous accusations against Hillary emanating from Fox News, Infowars and the myriad of shock jocks, none of which is based on evidence that survives even the most rudimentary scrutiny.

Hillary has been investigated when there was credible evidence but found to not have committed a crime, just that she acted recklessly.
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There was evidence. She ran a private server then destroyed evidence so fbi couldn't get to the emails.
She was found to be reckless which was at the very least a suspect finding.
I'd say that chapter isn't closed just yet.
 
moXJO said:
There was evidence. She ran a private server then destroyed evidence so fbi couldn't get to the emails.
She was found to be reckless which was at the very least a suspect finding.
I'd say that chapter isn't closed just yet.
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Yes, that is what I said. When there was evidence she was investigated but found only to have acted recklessly.

But as to Trump's accusations, the reality is far from the truth.

Fact Check:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ubpoena-from-congress/?utm_term=.5515b7f02442
 
bellenuit said:
Yes, that is what I said. When there was evidence she was investigated but found only to have acted recklessly.

But as to Trump's accusations, the reality is far from the truth.

Fact Check:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ubpoena-from-congress/?utm_term=.5515b7f02442
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Washington post....
You might as well have darc knight and sir rumpole run your facts.
Washington post has only recently gone back to best attempts at being neutral.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-smash-phone-hammer/
 
SirRumpole said:
Or you. :rolleyes:
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Pretty sure I posted up details.
Hey rumpy maybe you could post some from the darc, rumpole and bas well of knowledge.
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moXJO said:
Washington post....
You might as well have darc knight and sir rumpole run your facts.
Washington post has only recently gone back to best attempts at being neutral.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hillary-clinton-smash-phone-hammer/
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You did read the link you posted, yes?

On the question of transparency rather than security, none of this should let Clinton off the hook entirely. It’s still not clear whether her efforts to eliminate her data were motivated by the desire to conceal information as her critics imply or dedication to information security — or a bit of both. But given that Clinton was relying on a handful of aides with limited resources to act as her entire IT infrastructure, it was the right idea from a security standpoint to attempt to destroy the devices rather than letting them sit exposed in a local Goodwill, says Jonathan Zdziarski, an iOS forensics expert and security researcher. He says the FBI report “shows that [Clinton’s aides] were very serious about wanting to destroy the content, but very inexperienced with how to do it.”

No crime there.
 
bellenuit said:
You did read the link you posted, yes?

On the question of transparency rather than security, none of this should let Clinton off the hook entirely. It’s still not clear whether her efforts to eliminate her data were motivated by the desire to conceal information as her critics imply or dedication to information security — or a bit of both. But given that Clinton was relying on a handful of aides with limited resources to act as her entire IT infrastructure, it was the right idea from a security standpoint to attempt to destroy the devices rather than letting them sit exposed in a local Goodwill, says Jonathan Zdziarski, an iOS forensics expert and security researcher. He says the FBI report “shows that [Clinton’s aides] were very serious about wanting to destroy the content, but very inexperienced with how to do it.”

No crime there.
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Because it was destroyed. Its the subpoena dates and destruction dates that are murky.

  • The Clinton campaign previously had indicated that her personal emails were deleted before Clinton received a congressional subpoena on March 4, 2015. But the FBI said her emails were deleted “between March 25-31, 2015” — three weeks after the subpoena. The campaign now says it only learned when the emails were deleted from the FBI report.
  • Clinton repeatedly had said “everybody in the government with whom I emailed knew that I was using a personal email.” But the FBI said “e-mails from Clinton … did not display her e-mail address,” and only 13 people directly emailed her.
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There is plenty of suspect crap.
Comey got his dumb ass fired for a reason.
 
moXJO said:
Comey got his dumb ass fired for a reason.
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Yes and we all know what that reason was. Trump more or less admitted it to the Russian ambassador and staff when he talk about the Russian investigation been a problem that he had just resolved (or something like that).
 
bellenuit said:
Yes and we all know what that reason was. Trump more or less admitted it to the Russian ambassador and staff when he talk about the Russian investigation been a problem that he had just resolved (or something like that).
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Yeah Rosenstein wanted comey gone and was respected by both sides before any of that gained traction.
Dems wanted blood and the peter strzok incident really made the fbi look bad.
Trump said that in an interview. Which was a dumb comment, but no one knew it would blow up to the proportions it did.
He didn't seem to think it had any credibility at the time. Or that he had covered his tracks well enough.
 
bellenuit said:
Yes and we all know what that reason was. Trump more or less admitted it to the Russian ambassador and staff when he talk about the Russian investigation been a problem that he had just resolved (or something like that).
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what did he admit? The guy's like Clive Palmer and Tony Abbott, no one knows what he means when he blathers.
 

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