Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[luutzu]

Perhaps you should read Von Mises, Hayek, et al on that.

I thought you were going to recommend Milton Friedman. Phew.

Read a Forbes interpretation of Von Mises greatest hit and no, he's living in some Capitalist fantasy Sifu. You seriously believe how our corporations operate since, ever, is really Capitalism and Free Market enterprise?

Central planning and common ownership of the means of production is not what Socialism is. That's what Communism is. Heck, it's what all form of authoritarian, oligarchic form of gov't are.

Just because they claim it to be "socialism", their definition of Socialism does not make it so. Same with our form of capitalism and free market efficiency where high risks and high costs are socialised on to the public, but when profit is ready to be made they are then privatised to entrepreneurs and captain of industry.

Where if you're a small business operator, you're on your own and all your losses are yours to bear but your profits are properly taxed and audited. But if you're big and important enough, any mistake you make, any losses you incurred... bail out. And that does not include the laws written specifically for your benefit, at your winks and nudges.

Pretty easy to see where our Western Capitalism will end up if we keep at it: look at modern China, or Dickensian England where the few rich have everything while the poor work like dogs but have diddly; where the water and the air are polluted and poisoned from unregulated "red tape" hindering private enterprise who will definitely not shiet where they live and eat and sure enough, they do not hang around where their factories shiet and their workers eat and sleep.

Anyway, 30 years of Reganomics and Thatcherifics, with no serious security threat from peer competitors, with an absolute free reign to reach new markets and share the love of freedom and market value... how's the world doing?

8 people have as much wealth as half the world. Continuous wars for almost two decades and expanding; terrorism/anti-terrorism terrifying everyone except the arms dealers and generals and God Emperors; economic collapses and racing faster to nuclear and ecological disasters...

Yes, can we have some more of that please.

 

[luutzu]

Obama doubled the USA debt. So did Bush.

As you point out we've got the same thing here in Australia. Federal debt at an all time record high under a Liberal government meanwhile Labor are doing much the same in states where they're in power.

May as well combine the lot and call it the National Liberal Socialist Green Labor Party. Americans can call theirs the Democratic Republic Party.

If debt were spent and invested properly, it will pay for itself.

But since debt for raised just to be given to corporations and tax cuts to the rich; and since the rich and corporations shelter their profit offshore... we got a problem.

 

[luutzu]

Let's see if I have this straight.

Islamic extremists, such as the Taliban and ISIS, have done some of the most horrific and cruelest things imaginable. Not only do that decapitate anyone from opposing sides at a whim, but we have seen children being slowly decapitated in front of their mothers. Non-combatants such as journalists have been burned alive in cages, homosexuals have been thrown off tall buildings and we have seen the attempted extermination of minority groups, such as Christians. Even children from "their own side" have been used as suicide bombers. They have probably committed atrocities crueler than anything witnessed in any war to date and if they had access to weapons of mass destruction, they would likely commit genocide on a global scale on those who do not profess their brand of Islam. The atrocities they commit on a daily basis are beyond dispute and are proudly shown on YouTube and other media. Their genocidal intentions against non-muslims were recently published in a document titled, if I remember correctly, "Why We Hate The West"

Their barbarity is no secret to anyone.

Yet, if this article truly reflects the mood of American Muslims, an executive order by Trump that puts a temporary stay on Muslims from a half dozen or so countries entering the USA is enough to make American Muslims support those extremists. This order no doubt will inconvenience a lot of people and has been badly thought through and implemented. It is likely also not supported by the majority of Americans. But no-one is being injured or killed by the order and is likely less of a problem worldwide to Muslims than say the policies that are already in place in countries like Japan, China, Russia and many more countries in relation to immigration from these same and many other Muslim majority countries.

If truly reflective of American Muslims, then what does that say about them? That they can be just as cruel and inhuman as ISIS and the Taliban if citizens of half a dozen Muslim countries are temporarily denied rights to access the US even though many of the affected countries allow few rights to non-Muslims when it comes to their own countries.

If true, doesn't it actually vindicate Trump's actions?

Say what?

Trump's racist policy doesn't hurt anyone? Just a bit of an inconvenient?

Seriously... we're the greatest country in the world! The most civilised and humane ever! We're awesome.

I mean, we just go and start wars on weak and defenceless people; kill literally millions of them.. called it peacekeeping, call anyone who hate seeing their country looted, their people oppressed a terrorist... and yea, what's their problems anyway. Must be Islam.

What's wrong with Muslims standing in the way of peace-makers man.

 

[Tisme]

Lucky for us christian anglophile countries that Trump is one too ....

 

[CanOz]

Scott Adams seems to have a good grip on it....

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[luutzu]

Lucky for us christian anglophile countries that Trump is one too ....

What's with Trump putting a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office. There are no other racist American imperialist to admire?

There's George Washington, the village scourger.

There's Theodore Roosevelt who reckon the top half of what was Mexico is too rich and too important to be left in the hand of the inferior brown Mexicans: they wouldn't know what to do with it.

 

[PZ.]

Trump would be better off with a bust of Churchill's two fingers and when it comes to his treatment of Australian trade it appears history is repeating itself. We should retaliate with two chopsticks... one to stir the pot and Trump can work out what to do with the other one

 

[Tink]

First Ronald Reagan, now Winston Churchill ...

Looks like they are trying to stop him visiting the Queen.

But British Prime Minister Theresa May's office shut down the idea of a cancellation, saying the visit would go ahead as planned.

 

[luutzu]

First Ronald Reagan, now Winston Churchill ...

Looks like they are trying to stop him visiting the Queen.

But British Prime Minister Theresa May's office shut down the idea of a cancellation, saying the visit would go ahead as planned.

I would have thought you'd like the Queen. Why in the world would anyone who like the nice Queen want to let an orange blowhard like Trump be in her presence?

Five bucks that when Trump meet her, he'll thumb his tiny thumbs up next to her. Might even do a V, definitely a point while they pose for the cameras.

At least busy fingers will stop him from grabbing stuff.

 

[PZ.]

So where does Margaret Thatcher fit in this jiggy jigsaw fest? Bottom right? lol

 

[SuperGlue]

Theresa May: Trump would like to visit you.
Queen's reaction.

 

[PZ.]

LOL! Is that an expression of fear or is it because she can't remember who he is?

 

[SuperGlue]

First Ronald Reagan, now Winston Churchill ...

Looks like they are trying to stop him visiting the Queen.

But British Prime Minister Theresa May's office shut down the idea of a cancellation, saying the visit would go ahead as planned.

Why stop him.
I think its been a long time since he had a motherly advice.
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[Tisme]

What's with Trump putting a bust of Churchill in the Oval Office. There are no other racist American imperialist to admire?

There's George Washington, the village scourger.

There's Theodore Roosevelt who reckon the top half of what was Mexico is too rich and too important to be left in the hand of the inferior brown Mexicans: they wouldn't know what to do with it.

OK so Winston was responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco, but he was the great negotiator and that must be some appeal to Donald with similar teflon skin.

 

[luutzu]

OK so Winston was responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco, but he was the great negotiator and that must be some appeal to Donald with similar teflon skin.

I heard that Gallipoli was also a few other high Lords fault but Churchill was the junior one so have to take the fall.

I don't take Churchill to be the negotiating type. Never surrender and what not. That and he kinda negotiated most of the English dominions over to Yanky control. ala the Middle East and Australia Yea true he didn't have much of a choice beside taking the few crumbs left over... but with Stalin he negotiated half of Europe over to the Soviets and look how long it took the Yanks to work getting it all back - a couple more states to go.

 

[luutzu]

LOL! Is that an expression of fear or is it because she can't remember who he is?

Maybe she was shown his picture? Pudgy, smug, stupid grinning orange with piss yellow comb over face.

 

[Knobby22]

Churchill didn't want Russia to have those countries. He was treated like a little brother. The USA and USSR did the negotiation and poor Winny was generally ignored.

 

[McLovin]

Theresa May: Trump would like to visit you.
Queen's reaction.

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She couldn't stand Berlusconi, imagine what she thinks of Trump.

 

[McLovin]

OK so Winston was responsible for the Gallipoli fiasco, but he was the great negotiator and that must be some appeal to Donald with similar teflon skin.

Not to mention when he abandoned Singapore and left Australia to the whim of the Japanese army.

 

[luutzu]

Churchill didn't want Russia to have those countries. He was treated like a little brother. The USA and USSR did the negotiation and poor Winny was generally ignored.

Yea true.

But I did remember watching, I think it was The World at War, where Churchill and Stalin divvy up Europe from a list on his handkerchief.

Yea, the Yank wouldn't let him and his British "Empire" touch the ME. Way too valuable for a lieutenant.

Be interesting to see the next Yalta where the victors get to divvy up which part of the tunnel they like best.