Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

Just an off the wall thought bas, and in no way an endorsement of their ideology, but how do you think, we would view Mussolini quotes, or indeed Hitler, if they had won?

Forgot if they won or not. Strip off any reference to who made the quote. In my view if any quote offers a great insight, a special perspective, something creative, it's got value. I don't think I am that hung up on the name next to the quote. Why wouldn't Hitler or Mussolini make such a comment ?

With regard to Il Douche. It's not hard to recognise that Donald Trump's political views are very far right. Retweeting the Il Duce quote was his way of saying "I thought the guy made sense"

 

[luutzu]

It won't stop at healthcare, Grasshopper (Which I agree needs a total rethink in the US.... good luck with that.)

You missed the free >>>>everything<<<<. There will have to be nothing short of revolutionary change in US culture and economy for the US welfare state to be a reality, then it can be a western has been state like the rest of us.

Know any Mandarin?

No one expects anything for free, not the American public I'm sure. Maybe their politicians, and maybe Hillary who think bankers and big businesses pay her and Bill a couple hundred thousands for a 40 minute speech because they want to hear wisdom and insight from a couple of geniuses like themselves.

So whether it's public education, or healthcare, or roads or power and utilities... no one expects them to be free of charge. What they ought to be is to be public owned and public operated. Not because it's socialism and communism or whatever, but because certain things are best done by gov't.

So in the US city of Detroit or Flint, water was privatised and the poor who could not afford to pay for water have it turned off. No drinking water to the elderly and the sick. Money talk for you there.

If American politicians does not change and revolutionise the way business is done over past four decades, they will have civil unrest and violent revolution. Just because it's America doesn't mean it won't happen; or just because it's a "democracy" and we're in a "modern age" doesn't mean it won't happen.

Napoleon rose after a few rebel overthrow King Louis right? He cleaned up the mess and put himself in charge and march his legions all over Europe too; Same with Hitler, he was elected in remember. Germany was a democracy somewhat too right?

It was only some 80 years ago that America was on the brink of another revolution. The New Deal Roosevelt managed to put in place saved it and changes the way America was run - free education, social safety nets, unions to protect workers rights etc. etc. All these are being dismantled under one pretext or another over past four decades.

And the result? A Great Recession that lasts 8 years and still going, heading into possibly another Great Recession... Maybe two continuous recession is a depression or we just play with words now?

Anyway, any way you look at the stats, the poor and the working class are being screwed and the rich are getting richer than ever - owning more assets and more national wealth than ever. That's a revolution waiting to happen. That's Imperial China, Imperial France, Imperial any place where the Nobility and the emperors and courtiers have their mansions and slaves while the rest will have to do with hopes and dreams and living paycheck to paycheck.

There's only so many protests and violence that can be blamed on black neighbourhood and southern rednecks and social deviant.

 

[luutzu]

Anyway, a colleague of mine has crunched the numbers.

Bernie cannot beat Hillary, she will be Dem candidate.

Trump or Cruz cannot beat Hillary, should either win the nom.

Only Rubio can beat Hillary, but it would be very close.

That's the maths as it stands.

So basically we can fret about Hillary, rather than the Don or Bernie.

I think we're all surprised Sanders is still in the race. So he's doing great and really shifted Hillary to the more softer Hillary who care and feel more pain than the badazz Hillary she was going for.

With all the name recognition and money and machines behind her, she's still struggling to win. That just show how much people distrust her and how much Americans would rather not have this Dynastic line of the House of Clinton or the House o Bush.

The democratic machine is behind her, the billionaires are behind her, and with all them cash she's buying the media and their pretty looking mouthpiece. So she might win. But I wouldn't discount Sanders off as yet.

 

[luutzu]

Me too, fully agree. It is interesting to note that the so called "best countries to live" or the "happiest countries to live" nearly always are the ones that have a state funded health scheme. USA is not one one of them.

I couldn't/wouldn't ever live in the USA and a national health system where everybody can get the best health care is my main reason.

I was really suprise when I saw Michael Moore's Sicko. I thought America would have had a universal healthcare like ours or better. Who wouldn't right? More efficient, lower cost per capita, and we all get cover when we need it.

But yea, I really don't know why Australians want to pay for private health insurance. I mean it reduces their surcharge and they get a private room or something... but for me personally I just pay the surcharge knowing that even though I don't need it, I might one day... and if I don't use medical care during the year the money goes to help other who needs it. That's much better than it going to some insurance company.

 

[luutzu]

Just an off the wall thought bas, and in no way an endorsement of their ideology, but how do you think, we would view Mussolini quotes, or indeed Hitler, if they had won?

Same way we view some of the crazy stuff some of our "intellectual" and "leader" say sometime - we believe it and see nothing wrong with it.

That's what public information and education is for right?

So Nazi taking over Eastern Europe and install their puppets... evil Nazi scums. We on the other hand, we liberated and do good wherever our boots landed - just sometime a few bad apples among our ranks meeting a whole lot of ingrates barbarians.

When Imperial Japan took over Asia/Pacific... it wasn't done for themselves. It was done to liberate Asians from European colonialism; was done too to enlightened the Asians and other sick men of Asia - bringing them into the light and all that flary Sun rays.

 

[Wysiwyg]

This is the ultimate (un)reality show. The commentators and politicians are in damage control after Frump (every trash talker deserves a good trashing ) received unexpected preference among voters who I assume want to see this election farce extend further. This farce either reflects sick humour or a sick society. I lean toward the former 'cause surely that many people can't be blind.

Oh so much B.S. in the world.

 

[SirRumpole]

Republican Party in suicidal tailspin over Donald Trump's unstoppable rise

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...pable-rise-20160305-gnblu2.html#ixzz4265Fc9Ul

 

[basilio]

The latest Trump masterpiece is engaging his Florida audience in a mass promise to vote for him. Complete with raised arms. Shades of Der Fuhrer and il Duce.

Does anyone else remember the iconic song in Cabaret which heralded the rise of the Reich ?

In an eerie evocation of fascist rallies the world might have thought had been consigned to history, leading Republican presidential contender Donald Trump demanded that thousands at a rowdy Saturday rally in Florida should swear they would vote for him – "no matter what."

"Let's do a pledge. Who likes me in this room," Trump demanded, between interruptions as protesters were manhandled out of the rally. He raised his hand as a court witness might.

But, recreating images that became hallmarks of Italian Fascist and German Nazi rallies and watched by the cameras of the world's media, the crowd then stretched their right arms much as followers of Hitler and Mussolini did.

Performing as in a grainy Movitone News clip, most in the crowd held their right arms outstretched at an angle while Trump demanded again, "I've never done this before. Can I have a pledge? A swearing? Raise your right hand."

He then led the crowd: "I do solemnly swear that I, no matter how I feel, no matter what the conditions, if there are hurricanes or whatever, will vote on or before the 12th for Donald J Trump for president.

"Thank you. Now I know. Don't forget you all raised your hands. You swore. Bad things happen if you don't live up to what you just did,"

http://www.smh.com.au/world/us-elec...-trumps-unstoppable-rise-20160305-gnblu2.html


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USA, USA, USA, USA, USA,

 

[moXJO]

It will be interesting to see what happens if he gets in.
I think Obama and his limpwristed attitude towards Putin, the middle east and China firmed the idea in many Americans minds they needed a strongman.
People are sick of pandering to every pc complaint. Putin is loved, yet everyone turns a blind eye to that because- well it's Russia.
So when a guy comes in and starts sprouting "We are America we do what the fcuk we want" it's appealing to that inner patriotic yank emotion of "we shouldn't be taking siht from anyone".
He is all smoke and mirrors though.
It's a shame. America once had some of the greatest leaders in history. Brilliant minds and men of action. What the hell happened?

 

[basilio]

Got a bit fascinated by the "Tomorrow belongs to me " theme. Came across a brilliant parody of the song on a Spitting Images program in 1987.

Enjoy. Just waiting to see another version with the Drumph

 

[luutzu]

It will be interesting to see what happens if he gets in.
I think Obama and his limpwristed attitude towards Putin, the middle east and China firmed the idea in many Americans minds they needed a strongman.
People are sick of pandering to every pc complaint. Putin is loved, yet everyone turns a blind eye to that because- well it's Russia.
So when a guy comes in and starts sprouting "We are America we do what the fcuk we want" it's appealing to that inner patriotic yank emotion of "we shouldn't be taking siht from anyone".
He is all smoke and mirrors though.
It's a shame. America once had some of the greatest leaders in history. Brilliant minds and men of action. What the hell happened?

That's the unfortunate thing, that America is doing exactly what it wants but most Americans does not realised it.

Example, America thought to "free" a few countries from its evil dictators and most Americans (and the Western world) seem to think that that's noble, but it's a bit wasteful... sholdn't be kind like that;

Then when American corporations thought to have their politicians do "free trade" deals and tax incentives that offshore jobs and create markets that totally destroy other countries' economies... Americans are saying that the Mexicans and the Chinese are taking their jobs away.

So of course politicians can't blame themselves and won't be blaming corporations for all these master plans that create job insecurity for those that have it and poverty or close to it for those that don't... It's the migrants and coloured folks' fault... that and American love of freedom and liberty and weakness to do good for ungrateful Muslims.

Since most thinking politicians can't really say stuff like this with a straight face, it'll take an idiot and psychotic liar like Trump to spout it most convincingly. So dam Mexicans... stop them invading by building a big great wall. Why not? Dam Muslim terrorists, water boarding is just the start, says Trump, he'll do a lot more than that, he said.

Can't remember what else he want to do to fix the US economy... he'll probably "take on" Wall St next.

 

[Junior]

For those who haven't read it yet, see below, Louis CK (comedian) emailed this anti-Trump rant to his mailing list.

P.S. Please stop it with voting for Trump. It was funny for a little while. But the guy is Hitler. And by that I mean that we are being Germany in the 30s. Do you think they saw the **** coming? Hitler was just some hilarious and refreshing dude with a weird comb over who would say anything at all.

And I'm not advocating for Hillary or Bernie. I like them both but frankly I wish the next president was a conservative only because we had Obama for eight years and we need balance. And not because I particularly enjoy the conservative agenda. I just think the government should reflect the people. And we are about 40 percent conservative and 40 percent liberal. When I was growing up and when I was a younger man, liberals and conservatives were friends with differences. They weren’t enemies. And it always made sense that everyone gets a president they like for a while and then hates the president for a while. But it only works if the conservatives put up a good candidate. A good smart conservative to face the liberal candidate so they can have a good argument and the country can decide which way to go this time.

Trump is not that. He's an insane bigot. He is dangerous.

He already said he would expand libel laws to sue anyone who "writes a negative hit piece" about him. He says "I would open up the libel laws so we can sue them and win lots of money. Not like now. These guys are totally protected." He said that. He has promised to decimate the first amendment. (If you think he’s going to keep the second amendment intact you’re delusional.) And he said that Paul Ryan, speaker of the house will "pay" for criticizing him. So I'm saying this now because if he gets in there we won't be able to criticize him anymore.
Please pick someone else. Like John Kasich. I mean that guy seems okay. I don't like any of them myself but if you're that kind of voter please go for a guy like that. It feels like between him and either democrat we'd have a decent choice. It feels like a healthier choice. We shouldn't have to vote for someone because they're not a shocking c*nt billionaire liar.

We should choose based on what direction the country should go.

I get that all these people sound like bull**** soft criminal opportunists. The whole game feels rigged and it's not going anywhere but down anymore. I feel that way sometimes.

And that voting for Trump is a way of saying "**** it. **** them all". I really get it. It's a version of national Suicide. Or it's like a big hit off of a crack pipe. Somehow we can't help it. Or we know that if we vote for Trump our phones will be a reliable source of dopamine for the next four years. I mean I can't wait to read about Trump every day. It's a rush. But you have to know this is not healthy.

If you are a true conservative. Don't vote for Trump. He is not one of you. He is one of him. Everything you have heard him say that you liked, if you look hard enough you will see that he one day said the exact opposite. He is playing you.

In fact, if you do vote for Trump, at least look at him very carefully first. You owe that to the rest of us. Know and understand who he is. Spend one hour on google and just read it all. I don’t mean listen to me or listen to liberals who put him down. Listen to your own people. Listen to John Mccain. Go look at what he just said about Trump. "At a time when our world has never been more complex or more in danger... I want Republican voters to pay close attention to what our party's most respected and knowledgeable leaders and national security experts are saying about Mr. Trump, and to think long and hard about who they want to be our next Commander-in-Chief and leader of the free world.”

When Trump was told what he said, Trump said "Oh, he did? Well, that's not nice," he told CBS News' chief White House correspondent Major Garrett. "He has to be very careful."
When pressed on why, Trump tacked on: "He'll find out.”
(I cut and pasted that from CBS news)

Do you really want a guy to be president who threatens John McCain? Because John McCain cautiously and intelligently asked for people to be thoughtful before voting for him? He didn’t even insult Trump. He just asked you to take a good look. And Trump told him to look out.

Remember that Trump entered this race by saying that McCain is not a war hero. A guy who was shot down, body broken and kept in a POW camp for years. Trump said “I prefer the guys who don’t get caught.” Why did he say that? Not because he meant it or because it was important to say. He said it because he’s a bully and every bully knows that when you enter a new school yard, you go to the toughest most respected guy on the yard and you punch him in the nose. If you are still standing after, you’re the new boss. If Trump is president, he’s not going to change. He’s not going to do anything for you. He’s going to do everything for himself and leave you in the dust.

So please listen to fellow conservatives. But more importantly, listen to Trump. Listen to all of it. Everything he says. If you liked when he said that “torture works” then go look at where he took it back the next day. He’s a ****ing liar.

A vote for Trump is so clearly a gut-vote, and again I get it. But add a little brain to it and look the guy up. Because if you vote for him because of how you feel right now, the minute he's president, you're going to regret it. You're going to regret it even more when he gives the job to his son. Because American democracy is broken enough that a guy like that could really **** things up. That's how Hitler got there. He was voted into power by a fatigued nation and when he got inside, he did all his Hitler things and no one could stop him.

Again, I’m not saying vote democrat or vote for anyone else. If Hilary ends up president it should be because she faced the best person you have and you and I both chose her or him or whoever. Trump is not your best. He’s the worst of all of us. He’s a symptom to a problem that is very real. But don’t vote for your own cancer. You’re better than that.

That's just my view. At least right now. I know I’m not qualified or particularly educated and I'm not right instead of you. I’m an idiot and I'm sure a bunch of you are very annoyed by this. ****ing celebrity with an opinion. I swear this isn’t really a political opinion. You don’t want to know my political opinions. (And I know that I’m only bringing myself trouble with this ****.) Trump has nothing to do with politics or ideology. He has to do with himself. And really I don't mean to insult anyone. Except Trump. I mean to insult him very much. And really I’m not saying he’s evil or a monster. In fact I don’t think Hitler was. The problem with saying that guys like that are monsters is that we don’t see them coming when they turn out to be human, which they all are. Everyone is. Trump is a messed up guy with a hole in his heart that he tries to fill with money and attention. He can never ever have enough of either and he’ll never stop trying. He’s sick. Which makes him really really interesting. And he pulls you towards him which somehow feels good or fascinatingly bad. He’s not a monster. He’s a sad man. But all this makes him horribly dangerous if he becomes president. Give him another TV show. Let him pay to put his name on buildings. But please stop voting for him. And please watch Horace and Pete.

 

[McLovin]

Decent read...

Let’s be clear: Trump is no fluke. Nor is he hijacking the Republican Party or the conservative movement, if there is such a thing. He is, rather, the party’s creation, its Frankenstein’s monster, brought to life by the party, fed by the party and now made strong enough to destroy its maker. Was it not the party’s wild obstructionism — the repeated threats to shut down the government over policy and legislative disagreements, the persistent calls for nullification of Supreme Court decisions, the insistence that compromise was betrayal, the internal coups against party leaders who refused to join the general demolition — that taught Republican voters that government, institutions, political traditions, party leadership and even parties themselves were things to be overthrown, evaded, ignored, insulted, laughed at? Was it not Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.), among others, who set this tone and thereby cleared the way for someone even more irreverent, so that now, in a most unenjoyable irony, Cruz, along with the rest of the party, must fall to the purer version of himself, a less ideologically encumbered anarcho-revolutionary? This would not be the first revolution that devoured itself.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...443f28-dbc1-11e5-925f-1d10062cc82d_story.html

There are two things happening, imo. The first is what is described in that article. The second is how angry white working class Americans are. The latter is clearly a corollary of the former to some extent, but the GOP has also had a weird symbiotic relationship with poor, uneducated whites since at least Reagan. These same poor, uneducated whites have voted for a party that is socially conservative, Christian, and, importantly, white. But that has rolled back the social safety net, while cutting taxes for the rich, allowing mass migration from Mexico virtually unchecked, and pursuing trade agreements that have gutted manufacturing jobs. They don't really understand the world has changed, and they have all the pragmatism of a people whose formative years were spent when America was at the top of global prestige. That is why they can be easily won over with "make America great again". If only it were that simple.

Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump are the end result of a population that has seen its wealth be slowly eroded. They're more similar than disimilar, imo.

 

[Tisme]

 

[luutzu]

Trump and his penis. Presidential debate just got smaller.

Oliver: US presidential race, aka Clown-town f the world show 2016. haha, ahhh, dam.

 

[Tisme]

Trump and his penis. Presidential debate just got smaller.

Three times the length of your thumb ....... now I have your attention .... luutzu...... luutzu .......LUUTZU !! put the ruler down and gather your composure.

 

[Logique]

Size of the foot wasn't it, for a swimmer.

Now let's see..just get the ruler and...

 

[SirRumpole]

Size of the foot wasn't it, for a swimmer.

Now let's see..just get the ruler and...

Errol Flynn's was 11 inches if that's any help.

:bazooka:

 

[luutzu]

Three times the length of your thumb ....... now I have your attention .... luutzu...... luutzu .......LUUTZU !! put the ruler down and gather your composure.

wahhh...? I wasn't measuring. Was looking down at the keyboard to make sure my thick massive thumb doesn't hit the wrong keys.

wait, did you just got me to talk about my well endowed manhood? Dam it McGill. But ey, I'm not running for president alright?

 

[Knobby22]

Massive PAC money spent on saturation advertising combined with Mitt Romney has done nothing to hurt Trump.
38% in Michigan, 50%! in Mississippi. I think we are looking at the next Republican nominee.

Trump: "I want to thank the special interests and the lobbyists," Trump says to laughter. "They obviously did something to drive these numbers."