Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[moXJO]

Didn't you notice Reuters? And Salon was reporting a Guardian story. And if you do a web search you will find dozens of other sources. Do you need to be spoon-fed?

It was a misleading story with little facts on the case. You are left thinking that they are exonerated when that isn't the case.

 

[wayneL]

Thanks IF. Bit of perspective.

Really silly isn't it. 160 years ago the US Democrats were the dominant party in the South and did support slavery. They were still actively racist way into the 20th Century.Think 1960's

Do we think the Republican Party were non racist during this period ? What evidence is there that Northerners were welcoming the freed slaves?

The US as a whole has a wretched attitude to racism. In 2020 the Democrats have evolved to the stage they are actively trying to redress the situation. As compared to ?

They are?

Race baiting is not trying to redress the situation! Race baiting IS racism bas. Democrats are still the racists.

this is the racism that says you were only deserving to be regarded as black so long as you support the democrats. if you support the republicans your automatically a race traitor and any number of other names that they might use, uncle Tom etcetera.

Is the racism of low expectations based on skin colour.

the democrats have created a more toxic form of racism than has been in the US for decades.

the claim that democrats are trying to redress the situation is absolutely ridiculous

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

One can with me Chronos - if in fact the history is reasonably complete, somewhat fair and relevant.
Your selection and conclusion is neither complete nor relevant to what is happening how.
The attempts to say disband the Democrats now because they were badly racist x years ago is just disingenuous.

I wasn't advocating to disband them, I was merely applying the same measure that the Democrats are applying with sanctioning the removal of statues.

Here is another one for the Democrats. The Democrat Donkey has represented the Democrats since the Jacksonian Era:

Andrew Jackson defended slavery and Jacksonian political philosophy was maintained by the Southern Democrats and rejected by the Northern Republicans, a central sticking point that led to the American Civil War.

Why are the Democrats still using the Donkey, which is symbolic of an era of slavery, to represent their party!

 

[basilio]

I wasn't advocating to disband them, I was merely applying the same measure that the Democrats are applying with sanctioning the removal of statues.

Here is another one for the Democrats. The Democrat Donkey has represented the Democrats since the Jacksonian Era:

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Andrew Jackson defended slavery and Jacksonian political philosophy was maintained by the Southern Democrats and rejected by the Northern Republicans, a central sticking point that led to the American Civil War.

Why are the Democrats still using the Donkey, which is symbolic of an era of slavery, to represent their party!

Hmm. You were directing the conversation about challenging statues erected to former famous people to saying why not disband an entire current political party. In my view that was just a monumental misdirection of the discussion. There is no comparison and, again IMV, it's chief intention is to move away from discussing why people are getting really antsy about past and current racism in our societies.

I think the whole issue attacking statues has become overblown to the point of madness. I think one solution is to add further information about peoples lives that recognises they weren't all gallant and wonderful.

But that is still beside the point. The reason millions of people in the US , black and white, are protesting is because of the casual, deadly racism that is now evident in the policing practices across the country. Donald Trump isn't budging an inch on this issue. He still sees it as a Law and Order baton to beat up political opponents with and to give a nod and wink to the White Supremacists who are an important party of his support group.
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With regard to the Democrats logo. It's strange isn't it ? I agree its very outdated and one would think it should be reviewed if only becasue it seems faintly ridiculous. But it did reflect a particular time and some strong principles as well.

 

[moXJO]

Hmm. You were directing the conversation about challenging statues erected to former famous people to saying why not disband an entire current political party. In my view that was just a monumental misdirection of the discussion. There is no comparison and, again IMV, it's chief intention is to move away from discussing why people are getting really antsy about past and current racism in our societies.

I think the whole issue attacking statues has become overblown to the point of madness. I think one solution is to add further information about peoples lives that recognises they weren't all gallant and wonderful.

But that is still beside the point. The reason millions of people in the US , black and white, are protesting is because of the casual, deadly racism that is now evident in the policing practices across the country. Donald Trump isn't budging an inch on this issue. He still sees it as a Law and Order baton to beat up political opponents with and to give a nod and wink to the White Supremacists who are an important party of his support group.
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With regard to the Democrats logo. It's strange isn't it ? I agree its very outdated and one would think it should be reviewed if only becasue it seems faintly ridiculous. But it did reflect a particular time and some strong principles as well.

Trump banned choke holds unless life threatening and something else (I didn't catch) in response to all this.

 

[basilio]

Very interesting documentary on the expansion and political control of the Ku Klux Klan in Colorado in the 1920's. Worth learning a bit more about this part of US history and the control they had over the state.

Tale about shades of Hitler..!!

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Very interesting documentary on the expansion and political control of the Ku Klux Klan in Colorado in the 1920's. Worth learning a bit more about this part of US history and the control they had over the state.

Tale about shades of Hitler..!!

The KKK are certainly a domestic terrorist group; in saying this Black Lives Matter are also a domestic terrorist group as defined by the US Patriot Act.

 

[spooly74]

Ouch.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

Ouch.

That was excellent.

 

[basilio]

The KKK are certainly a domestic terrorist group; in saying this Black Lives Matter are also a domestic terrorist group as defined by the US Patriot Act.

That is just plain disastrously wrong Chronos. If the Patriot Act defines "Black Lives Matter" as terrorist groups the the Act is unconscionable. But again this is just another example of a (outrageous ) diversion employed by your average rightist writers/websites to deflect attention from the issues raised by repeated unjustifiable killings of blacks by law enforcement officers in the US.

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

That is just plain disastrously wrong Chronos. If the Patriot Act defines "Black Lives Matter" as terrorist groups the the Act is unconscionable. But again this is just another example of a (outrageous ) diversion employed by your average rightist writers/websites to deflect attention from the issues raised by repeated unjustifiable killings of blacks by law enforcement officers in the US.

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Stop with the outrage please; can we just have an amicable discussion.

The US Patriot Act is well defined and clear. Black Lives Matter engage in acts that are intimidating and violent for political gain and purpose.

 

[SirRumpole]

Black Lives Matter engage in acts that are intimidating and violent for political gain and purpose.

How many people have they killed ?

I believe that ALL lives matter and that we shouldn't discriminate either in favour of or against certain groups of people, but I don't think that BLM have (yet) morphed into a terrorist group. The potential for that is there though if they let themselves be manipulated by ultra leftists but hopefully they won't be silly enough to destroy their credibility in that manner.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

How many people have they killed ?

I believe that ALL lives matter and that we shouldn't discriminate either in favour of or against certain groups of people, but I don't think that BLM have (yet) morphed into a terrorist group. The potential for that is there though if they let themselves be manipulated by ultra leftists but hopefully they won't be silly enough to destroy their credibility in that manner.

The legal US Patriot Act is very clear; you don't need to have killed another to engage in terrorism.

Which brings us to the two Greens workers that desecrated the statue in Sydney. They should be charged with an act of terrorism because their acts were violent and intimidating, which had significant political motive.

 

[SirRumpole]

The legal US Patriot Act is very clear; you don't need to have killed another to engage in terrorism.

Which brings us to the two Greens workers that desecrated the statue in Sydney. They should be charged with an act of terrorism because their acts were violent and intimidating, which had significant political motive.

That's going a bit far. Charged with vandalism yes, but terrorism ?

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

That's going a bit far. Charged with vandalism yes, but terrorism ?

This is the legal world that we are arguing within.

Does the vandalism feel intimidating when you are there and see it? I say Yes, it does.

Is the vandalism politically motivated? I say Yes, most definitely.

They should be charged with an Act of terrorism, in my opinion.

 

[wayneL]

That is just plain disastrously wrong Chronos. If the Patriot Act defines "Black Lives Matter" as terrorist groups the the Act is unconscionable. But again this is just another example of a (outrageous ) diversion employed by your average rightist writers/websites to deflect attention from the issues raised by repeated unjustifiable killings of blacks by law enforcement officers in the US.

Perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States

Bas, have you read the BLM site? Do you know their goals?

 

[IFocus]

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war'

In an unpublished paper submitted for peer review, Professor Goldstone, who is a sociologist, and Peter Turchin, an expert on the mathematical modelling of historical societies, have concluded that the US is "headed for another civil war".


https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...tes-disorder-now-points-to-civil-war/12365280

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war'

In an unpublished paper submitted for peer review, Professor Goldstone, who is a sociologist, and Peter Turchin, an expert on the mathematical modelling of historical societies, have concluded that the US is "headed for another civil war".


https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...tes-disorder-now-points-to-civil-war/12365280

This model forecast the US's current unrest a decade ago. It now says 'civil war'

In an unpublished paper submitted for peer review, Professor Goldstone, who is a sociologist, and Peter Turchin, an expert on the mathematical modelling of historical societies, have concluded that the US is "headed for another civil war".


https://www.abc.net.au/triplej/prog...tes-disorder-now-points-to-civil-war/12365280

I give the professor a challenge; that I will be closer to the electoral map in the US presidential elections than him.

I will published 1 month before the election.

 

[Chronos-Plutus]

They are?

Race baiting is not trying to redress the situation! Race baiting IS racism bas. Democrats are still the racists.

this is the racism that says you were only deserving to be regarded as black so long as you support the democrats. if you support the republicans your automatically a race traitor and any number of other names that they might use, uncle Tom etcetera.

Is the racism of low expectations based on skin colour.

the democrats have created a more toxic form of racism than has been in the US for decades.

the claim that democrats are trying to redress the situation is absolutely ridiculous

I think that I should be an advisor to Donald.

Do you think I can pick the States of uncertainty?

 

[basilio]

Bas, have you read the BLM site? Do you know their goals?

Just did. Well worth a read. If anyone thinks this somehow represents a terrorist organisation - as distinct from a group that is organsing and advocating to defend/advance its community then perhaps they should check the US constitution.

What We Believe
Four years ago, what is now known as the Black Lives Matter Global Network began to organize. It started out as a chapter-based, member-led organization whose mission was to build local power and to intervene when violence was inflicted on Black communities by the state and vigilantes.

In the years since, we’ve committed to struggling together and to imagining and creating a world free of anti-Blackness, where every Black person has the social, economic, and political power to thrive.
https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/