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One of the latest ploys by Donald Trump to appeal to the nativist elements in the US is amending the 14th Amendment which gives citizenship to anyone born in the US.

President Trump may have met his match when it comes to U.S. citizenship: The 14th Amendment
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...nship-constitution-14th-amendment/1818311002/

The Real Origins of Birthright Citizenship
Its purpose 150 years ago was to incorporate former slaves into the nation.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...ight-citizenship-was-won-freed-slaves/574498/
 
Another brick in the wall to bring Donald Trump to justice. Since becoming Prez he has (ab)used the office to enrich his clubs, hotels and business interests around the world- all in complete disregard of the constitution which forbids the President from using the office to make money.

Trump emoluments case ruling opens way to financial records
  • Tax returns could be unearthed in Washington hotel suit
  • DC attorney general salutes ‘major win in historic case’
Associated Press in Washington

Sun 4 Nov 2018 03.10 AEDT


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US flags fly over the Trump International Hotel in Washington. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters
A federal judge has denied the justice department’s efforts to halt legal proceedings in a case in which Donald Trump is accused of violating the US constitution, opening the door for the president’s critics to gain access to financial records related to his Washington DC hotel.

Such records could include income tax returns which Trump has refused to release to public scrutiny.

Trump has been fighting multiple lawsuits that argue foreign representatives spending money at the Trump International Hotel is a violation of the constitution’s emoluments clause, which bans federal officials from accepting benefits from foreign or state governments without congressional approval.

In an attempt to stop the case moving on to legal discovery – which could unearth financial records such as tax returns – justice department lawyers asked Maryland-based US district judge Peter Messitte to put the case on hold while they appeal his decision to a higher court in Richmond, Virginia. They failed.

“This is another major win for us in this historic case,” said District of Columbia attorney general Karl Racine in a statement on Friday. “Our next step is to proceed with discovery. We will soon provide the court a new schedule to begin the process of getting information about how President Trump is profiting from the presidency.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nts-case-ruling-financial-records-tax-returns
 
There is an excellent story in The Atlantic by Mark Frum who decided to debate Steve Bannon in Toronto.
Steve was once speech writer for George Bush so he is on the conservative side of politics.

The story is long but exceptionally insightful as Mark discusses the rationale and outcome of his public debate. I picked out the core of his argument.
The Real Lesson of My Debate With Steve Bannon
I argued against the false promise of what Trump's former strategist bills as populism. Then events took a strange turn.

I told the audience in Toronto that I hoped to speak to three groups of people.

I hoped to speak, first, to the small numbers of the genuinely undecided, to those who might imagine that populism offers them something. This is not true. The new populist politics is a scam and a lie that exploits anger and fear to gain power. It has no care for the people it supposedly champions and no respect for them. It will deliver nothing—not only because its leaders are almost invariably crooks (although they are), but because they have no plans and no plans to make plans.

I hoped to speak, next, to the many people who see populism for what it is—and who resist it. Since the economic crisis of 2008 and 2009 and the euro-currency crisis that began in 2010, the so-called populists have won election after election in this country and in Europe. Even when the anti-populists have won, as they won in France in 2017, they have won by dwindling margins. Countries that formerly seemed secure against populism, like Germany, have been trending in ominous directions. But hope is not lost. On Tuesday, the American electorate has the opportunity to set the limit: This far have you gone; you will go no further. The tide turns here. What’s most urgently needed now is courage and confidence, and I hoped from the platform to do a little part to inspire even just a bit more of each.

Read: Steve Bannon may be too late to the populist party

I hoped to speak, finally, to those who see populism for what it is—and support it. I hoped to look in the face of their most self-conscious and articulate champion, Steve Bannon, and tell them: You will lose. You will discover what so many thugs, and bullies, and plunderers, and people who elevate themselves by subordinating and humiliating others have discovered before you: Liberal democracy is tougher than it looks. The cruel always believe the kind are weak. But human decency and goodness can also move human affairs. They will be felt. And today’s “populists” will follow their predecessors into what President George W. Bush so aptly called “history’s graveyard of discarded lies.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...frum-munk-debate-what-really-happened/574867/

 
Donald Trump has been relentlessly campaigning to support the mid term elections. So what does he say ? What do people take away ? What is the effect on the Trump army ?

Inside the Alternative Universe of the Trump Rallies
The president warns of radical, far-left Democrats and immigrant thugs in terms that bear little or no resemblance to the truth. His voters can’t get enough.

Andrew Kragie 10:00 AM ET
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Jonathan Ernst / Reuters

Kim Moore clapped, pulled out her smartphone, and zoomed in to snap a picture of President Donald Trump just a few hundred feet away on the stage Sunday night in Chattanooga. She and her husband listened as Trump talked about how one of the women who’d accused Brett Kavanaugh of sexual misconduct had recanted. They hadn’t heard of this before, quite possibly because it wasn’t true. The woman in question had never made an allegation.

“You heard on Friday, what happened?” the president asked rhetorically. “One of his accusers came out and said she never met him, that she made up the story. It was a total lie.” He raised his voice and mockingly cried, “Rape! Rape!”

That prompted a smattering of shouts from both male and female voices: “Lock her up!” The chant spread around the nearly packed 10,000-seat McKenzie Arena at the University of Tennessee at Chattanooga.

“It was false accusations. She made up the story. It was a lie … And now we have to find about the others with their …” Trump said, and here he paused. “Accusations.”

Moore, a 50-year-old Medicaid-program coordinator who had told me earlier that she was a rape survivor, watched closely. I wondered what she was thinking.


.... Kim Moore, the supporter who’d just taken the president’s photo with her cellphone, had somehow missed this news. But, in fact, none of Kavanaugh’s three publicly named accusers—Christine Blasey Ford, Deborah Ramirez, and Julie Swetnick—had publicly recanted. Trump was actually referring to a woman named Judy Munro-Leighton, who had, at one point, claimed to be the author of an anonymous “Jane Doe” letter, received by Senate investigators, making accusations against Kavanaugh. But she later recanted and said she was not the author of the letter. She had, in other words, never accused Kavanaugh of anything.

Read: The Secret to Brett Kavanaugh’s specific appeal

All of that was lost on those listening to Trump in Chattanooga.

“Anyone who was paying attention could tell that they were lying,” Sonya Wooden said of the women who made allegations. Doris Durham claimed that accusers were now coming forward to admit they were lying. “We were right all along,” she said.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...mp-stokes-fear-immigrants-his-rallies/574984/
 
Either way, Trump's leash has changed ownership from Russia to the US :)
 
SirRumpole said:
It's strange how the Dems gain in the lose but lose in the Senate, maybe an expert in US politics can tell us why.
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Maybe it's just the way the votes get counted in the US...

Real special like...

Interestingly, the New York Times senate results as of now has 40.7m votes cast for the Democrats, while the Republicans have 31.6m votes. But so far, the GOP has gained three seats, while the Democrats have lost three seats. Those numbers could shift as more votes are counted throughout the night.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ws-updates-donald-trump-republicans-democrats
 
SirRumpole said:
I don't want to be picky bas, but Congress is both the Reps and the Senate.

It's strange how the Dems gain in the lose but lose in the Senate, maybe an expert in US politics can tell us why.
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The senate is one seat per state (there may be a couple of exceptions) which heavily favours rural states which are less educated and tend to be Republican. For instance, Wyoming which has less than 600,000 people of which 86% are white and only 24% have Bachelor degrees has 1 senate seat. New Jersey has 9,000,000 people, 58% white and 35% with Bachelor degrees also has 1 senate seat. The densely populated North East and California, which are primarily blue states are severely disadvantaged when viewed by votes needed to elect a senator.
 
bellenuit said:
The senate is one seat per state (there may be a couple of exceptions) which heavily favours rural states which are less educated and tend to be Republican. For instance, Wyoming which has less than 600,000 people of which 86% are white and only 24% have Bachelor degrees has 1 senate seat. New Jersey has 9,000,000 people, 58% white and 35% with Bachelor degrees also has 1 senate seat. The densely populated North East and California, which are primarily blue states are severely disadvantaged when viewed by votes needed to elect a senator.
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Thanks, that makes sense.
 
bellenuit said:
The senate is one seat per state (there may be a couple of exceptions) which heavily favours rural states which are less educated and tend to be Republican. For instance, Wyoming which has less than 600,000 people of which 86% are white and only 24% have Bachelor degrees has 1 senate seat. New Jersey has 9,000,000 people, 58% white and 35% with Bachelor degrees also has 1 senate seat. The densely populated North East and California, which are primarily blue states are severely disadvantaged when viewed by votes needed to elect a senator.
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2 Senators per state isn't it?

And it's not more or less education that determine republicanism or democrats. That's just pulling stats to find cause.

Most republicans who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders in 2016. But they wouldn't vote for Hilary because of what she stands for, what her husband's admin did to their community. i.e. NAFTA export jobs to Mexico etc.
 
luutzu said:
Most republicans who voted for Trump would have voted for Sanders in 2016. But they wouldn't vote for Hilary because of what she stands for, what her husband's admin did to their community. i.e. NAFTA export jobs to Mexico etc.
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How many seats have Labor won outside major cities ?

There are some people who are just rusted on no matter who the candidates are.
 
Their senate works like our senate. Its because like us, they are a federation.

Its a good system, otherwise California and New York etc, *as states* would have too much influence .
 
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