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So you are saying murder the baby?
Hey, im on your side in this one but people think differently. Its not evil.
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No, I didn't say it was, it was about Denying the 10 year old an abortion if she fell pregnant. Dude, are you purposefully trying to not understand my point.
Stop yapping, go find the debate, watch it and show us how he was taken out of context or be quite.
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So just character assassination, thanks for playing. I win!
And I am now blocked
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Show us how Charlie Kirk was taken out of context on this issue.
Well I think making a raped 10 year old stay pregnant is evil, and adding to her trauma.
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My quote was:
It certainly seems that many feel that actual assasination is ok, as long as it is accompanied with a character assasination.
Well actually you prove the point, you say that you haven't heard MANY PEOPLE express those feelings. So you have heard some.
Then you give him a character assasination.
Which could well be perceived as meaning you are very likely to be one of those you mention, that express those ferlings
So I don't know why you are pontificating, by trying to correct everyone.
When your obvious dislike of the person condones homicidal behaviour toward them.
What are your feelings on capital punishment? Would you say it's ok as long as the person can be shown as right wing.
It's certainly an interesting time in history, where the victim who is shot while going about his lawfull business, comes under more scrutiny for their behaviour, than the criminal that shot the person and you are attacking anyone that is saying it was a disgracefull act.
Interesting.
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Trump's Epstein connection won't go away.
Castle capers.
www.thenewdaily.com.au
Castle capers.
'Ego has landed': Four arrested as Trump arrives in Britain
Four people have been arrested after an image of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein was projected onto the facade of Windsor Castle.
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Donald and Andrew may be swapping stories on the sidelines.Trump's Epstein connection won't go away.
Castle capers.
'Ego has landed': Four arrested as Trump arrives in Britain
Four people have been arrested after an image of Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein was projected onto the facade of Windsor Castle.
And people will think you are evil because you would take a life from someone who had no part of the crime. I don't agree with it either.
But does that make me a better person to advocate for (in a lot of people's minds) murder of a baby?
Thats the point of Charlie Kirk- discussion until these absurd positions move in from the extremes. Also the fact that people have different perspectives that are not necessarily evil.
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1. Well I can’t recall seeing anyone celebrating his death, but I am sure there is some.
2. How have I given him a character assassination? I am just pointing out that I don’t think he was a great guy, and pointed out some of the shitty things he preaches.
3. Mate, I have repeatedly said I am not celebrating his death, I just don’t hold that much empathy for him, beyond my general feelings that no one deserves to die like that, my feelings about his death are kind of indifferent, because he himself said 30,000 gun deaths per year are acceptable. You boomers need to learn to understand nuance in people’s statements. Not every thing is black and white, some one that isn’t crying isn’t automatically celebrating.
4. Pontificating??? Go back and read my posts and you will see my posts are more about defending my position, from people who are attacking me.
5. Please show me where I have condoned violence.
6. I am against it in most cases, but in cases where it’s absolutely clear the person committed a violent crime I am ok with it, I won’t mind if Charlie’s Killer is put to death.
7. The vast majority of people are saying it’s a disgraceful act, we just don’t want Charlie put on some sort of pedestal when he was a piece of ****.
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Leftists are deranged. One may have a different worldview that CK, but to describe him as a POS is way beyond the pale.
Just get on X and search "Bluesky", or even go onto that platform to see for yourself how far down the 5hit chute of depravity the far left has gone.
Calvin had a point.
Just get on X and search "Bluesky", or even go onto that platform to see for yourself how far down the 5hit chute of depravity the far left has gone.
Calvin had a point.
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Do the crime you gotta do the time.
A warning to others.
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While I am sure OGL is happy with the traffic created by all these philosophical posts about violence, it has one again drifted away from the original topic.
I created a thread so you guys could post off topic, but seems asted.
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I created a thread so you guys could post off topic, but seems asted.
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Yeah, the main reason I am against the death penalty is because so many innocent people have been convicted on crimes, and its not discovered until years later, and the death penalty can't be undone. But in cases where there is no doubt and the crime is heinous I am not against it.
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It is on top, since Donald Trump has award the medal of freedom to Charlie, and Charlie was a big Donald fanboy.
Meh its all Trump related.
In other news Trump just made antifa a terrorist organisation.
I don't think he can actually do that with a domestic group?
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Jimmy Kimmel Live! suspended indefinitely after host’s Charlie Kirk comments
ABC says late-night show will not air for foreseeable future after Kimmel accused Republicans of ‘doing everything they can to score political points’ from Kirk’s killing
Did I miss something? Kimmel's show paused/cancelled? Is Disney currently trying to bribe Trump to get a takeover approved?
Huh...I'd a guessed Colbert would be gone before jimmy.
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The order came from the FCC, no doubt because of direct pressure from the Trump Administration, not even Disney can over ride the FCC.Jimmy Kimmel Live! suspended indefinitely after host’s Charlie Kirk comments
ABC says late-night show will not air for foreseeable future after Kimmel accused Republicans of ‘doing everything they can to score political points’ from Kirk’s killingwww.theguardian.com
Did I miss something? Kimmel's show paused/cancelled? Is Disney currently trying to bribe Trump to get a takeover approved?
Huh...I'd a guessed Colbert would be gone before jimmy.
But it’s weird I thought Trump and MAGA were all about Freedom of speech. Turns out as usual they don’t want Freedom of speech, they want privilege for them selves to say what they like, but not anyone else.
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"Drawing on Charlie Kirk’s assassination is potentially both tasteless and prone to misunderstanding, but ignoring it is equally unhelpful. Kirk represented the fightback of conservative thought at universities and elsewhere. With about 800 chapters across American universities, Kirk’s Turning Point movement offered students different viewpoints, and the ability to test their own ones. That should not be scary for students; it ought to be essential in a democracy.
"Whatever the motives of Kirk’s killer – note to Barrie Cassidy: don’t race to be the first and biggest fool on X – Kirk’s murder shows at minimum that the fightback by the young conservative firebrand was risky because it challenged the status quo."
"Whatever the motives of Kirk’s killer – note to Barrie Cassidy: don’t race to be the first and biggest fool on X – Kirk’s murder shows at minimum that the fightback by the young conservative firebrand was risky because it challenged the status quo."
Left’s long march has delivered nothing short of monocultural madness
The ability to indulge woolly-headed idealism, unfettered by knowledge of the real world, has always been one of the greatest privileges of youth and young adulthood. Traditionally, time and reality would eventually bite, enlivening the famous quote attributed to George Bernard Shaw (with variants attributed to Churchill among others): “If at age 20 you are not a communist then you have no heart. If at age 30 you are not a capitalist, then you have no brains.”
Recent polling, as well as election results, suggest a dire rupture with that historical trend. The young are increasingly left-wing and are slower and less likely to change their political views as they get older.
One weekend poll by RedBridge shows the ALP leading the Coalition on a two-party-preferred basis by 59 per cent to 41 per cent among millennials, and by an enormous 68 per cent to 32 per cent among Generation Z. If maintained over time, these kinds of figures are, of course, an indication the Coalition is kaput.
While extrapolating from one poll is dangerous, and there can be many causes for these kinds of generational shifts, it is time for Australians to ask how much of this is a result of a decades-long plan by progressives to use education, and educational institutions, to co-opt the young. Has the left’s long march through the institutions now achieved its aims?
Certainly, the US has seen a recognition of the dominance in academic institutions, especially universities, of postmodernism, critical race theory, and other flavours of progressive ideology. That recognition has now sparked a vigorous fightback. And it’s not just Charlie Kirk’s Turning Point movement, the MAGA phenomenon and Donald Trump trying to disassemble the massive left-wing stack at universities.
Another blow against the hijacking of education for indoctrination purposes was struck by the US Supreme Court in 2023, when it effectively outlawed racial preferences at universities. By pointing out that affirmative action programs violated the constitutional guarantee of equality under the law, the Supreme Court handed Trump a wedge to help dislodge the left from universities.
Australia suffers the same problem, but the solution is not yet to hand. This masthead has run plenty of pieces illustrating the progressive monoculture that has a vice-like grip on our universities. From indigenising the curricula of our law schools and compulsory recitations of acknowledgments of country, to suppression of academic questioning of accepted climate science, the monoculture is effectively mandatory. Students know this, even as lecturers and university management dissemble and deny it.
Sadly, many of our schools are not much better. The Victorian government, emboldened by a feeble opposition, is now about to mandate school curricula that teach the version of history preferred by the Yoorrook Commission, which was not open to debate, let alone challenge. Victorian students seem destined to be further drenched in a stridently “victim-centric”, black-armband version of our history.
Given the deep-seated educational capture, the short takeaway is this: Is it any wonder that young voters come out of school and university much more left-wing than previous generations, and are far less likely to change their views?
On the weekend, pollster Kos Samaras pointed to two shifting demographics – rising numbers of under 40-year-old voters with university degrees, and mass migration – that explain, to a significant extent, the Liberal Party’s woeful electoral position.
However, these trends are not irrevocable. If the Liberals can’t appeal to hardworking, often socially conservative migrants, they may as well shut up shop. That ought to be their ready-made constituency.
The fact that younger, university-educated voters skew left is a longer-term challenge, given the Left’s control of schools and universities. And it’s not just a political problem for the Libs. It’s a cultural, economic, educational and social issue for the nation.
A left-skewing monoculture based on wanting bigger government, accepting higher government spending and a rising debt bill, expecting government to fix things, buying into climate change extremism – let alone labelling discussion of rising migration a racist endeavour – is a dead end for this country. In the end something’s got to give.
Look at Europe for evidence of what emerges when there is no strong and persuasive centre-right political movement. Far-right politicians – many of them economic dunderheads on par with the left – end up getting more traction than they deserve.
Drawing on Charlie Kirk’s assassination is potentially both tasteless and prone to misunderstanding, but ignoring it is equally unhelpful. Kirk represented the fightback of conservative thought at universities and elsewhere. With about 800 chapters across American universities, Kirk’s Turning Point movement offered students different viewpoints, and the ability to test their own ones. That should not be scary for students; it ought to be essential in a democracy.
Whatever the motives of Kirk’s killer – note to Barrie Cassidy: don’t race to be the first and biggest fool on X – Kirk’s murder shows at minimum that the fightback by the young conservative firebrand was risky because it challenged the status quo.
That should not be so.
If American and Australian universities were not so comprehensively infected by a rigid and intolerant progressive orthodoxy, Kirk’s views would have been more commonplace. Not necessarily accepted, but at least frequently heard. That many on the left feel threatened by someone like Kirk – to the point of wanting his college events cancelled – tells you that the left’s success in characterising any variance from the stultifying shibboleths of progressive thought as unacceptable, has been nearly complete.
It is time to start rooting out the inability to tolerate dissent from the progressive catechism at our schools and universities. Indeed, we must actively stop the kind of indoctrination that passes for academic method.
This means that the Coalition, and indeed any politician who believes in vibrant and contested debate, must become much more engaged, not less, in what the left derides as the “culture wars”.
Students and teachers at a Gaza sit-in at Melbourne University last year. Picture: NCA NewsWire / Andrew Henshaw
Make no mistake. The left throws its most treasured ideas under the “culture wars” umbrella, and mocks debate of these ideas to scare conservatives away. And mostly it succeeds, such is the pusillanimous state of conservative politics in this country.
Kirk was unafraid of these lame tactics. He didn’t just turn up to debates, he fought back with a set of ideas that most university students in Australia have probably never heard on campus: smaller government, the value of free markets, the tremendous successes of Western civilisation. Kirk, with his Prove Me Wrong slogan, was brave enough to advocate that while every person is born equal, not all cultures are.
The Coalition’s failure to craft convincing and lasting economically rational policies, let alone championing the cultural values that define a free society, means the left has not so much won the debate at schools and universities as had victory handed to it.
We should not be surprised then that the Liberals, in particular, face an existential crisis. If the Liberals keep cowering in a corner as they work out how to mimic Labor, the defeats will become heavier and more devastating – not just for the conservative side of politics, but for the country. After all, when ideas are not properly tested, the dumb and devastating ones are sure to hang around for a heck of a long time.
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