The Turnbull Government

[drsmith]

I suspect Little Bill hasnt slept well for a few nights!

The real issue for the ALP is that the issues where they might have stood for an alternative they have all too often capitulated to line up with the LNP. So the inhumane, illegal and disgraceful treatment of refugees was an obvious opportuity for leadership squandered by Little Bill and the ALP. The data retention laws were another where they were jellybacked.

As the quoted article says Turnbull has taken their catch phrase about the future and turned it on them - its particularly clever because its not easily measurable. You could argue Turnbull's mess of the NBN suggests the future is not his strong point, but there are enough other areas where the term can be thrown around with gay abandon and its a small and moving target.

Turnbull is certainly off to a strong start, the result in Canning will do a lot to shore up the doubters, the LNP know from the polling just how much of a difference Turnbull made there. The reshuffle seems to have been well calculated and should satisfy those looking for the liberals to move back to a less extremist cabinet, it probably wont infuriate the super-drys and religious extremists either - they will feel they still have some voice.

ScoMo will be interesting to watch, can he adapt and play the game or is he a rusted on hardliner? I suspect the former and this might be the making of him.

Malcolm Turnbull in my view has done much to repair the NBN but one needs to consider that beyond the specific technologies to understand that and I think in your own comments on Labor's record, you understand that starting point. On border security, the government got it right in my view but these are both specific matters perhaps best left to their respective threads.

On the political spectrum, SM and MT I hope and expect will provide the appropriate balance as a team.

 

[noco]

See this is exactly what i mean, you cant back up any of your opinions with facts, so you just attack the person.

If you are old enough to be my grandfather you are over 100 years old. Not that it has the slightest thing to do with anything.

The rest of your off topic rambling I am going to ignore because I dont think its in the interest of this thread to continue trying to get you to engage in a rational discussion.

You certainly know how to dish it out but note you cannot take your own medicine.

 

[galumay]

You certainly know how to dish it out but note you cannot take your own medicine.

Oh the irony!

 

[noco]

Oh the irony!

Hmmmmm...gotcha this time....people who live in glass house should not throw stones.

 

[sinner]

Just in case noco gets really busy, or catches the flu and can't post for a few weeks, I have created this post for you to all look at until he can get back to us for some more. Consider it a break-glass emergency mechanism, I reckon we could easily survive at least a decade on this single post.

ABC = Greens = Labor = Unions = Commies = Fabians.

They're all out to get our freedoms and replace them with collectivist work camps where we are all forced to row around the north of Australia picking up illegal immigrants who are actually all rapists and terrorists and definitely not ideological equals of the far right of Australia when it comes to things like gay marriage, war on drugs, capital punishment, separation of church and state, etc.

I told you.

 

[SirRumpole]

Now listen here buster I am probably old enough to be your bloody grandfather and lived a lot longer and have been through more harsh times than you have had hot dinners....I have followed politics since the mid 40's and have a hell of a lot more knowledge of the history of various political parties than the average person including your good self....I have observed over the years in particular how the Labor Party have strayed from their grass roots to a more socialistic ideology.....Their aim is central control of the media, banks, mining agriculture and manufacturing or what is left of it.......Their first exercise is to control the media and the has become evident in the ABC where there is now 41% Greens and 31% Labor on the ABC traff....Something you may not be aware of and there are a lot of people in the same mold. .

The Labor party has actually moved so far to the Right under Hawke/Keating and Rudd/Gillard that there really isn't much difference in their positions to that of Malcolm Turnbull. Labor now has a general inclination to do as little as possible in the economy compared to what Whitlam would have done.

The Right of the Libs has moved further Right, and now resembles the "God is on our side" looney Right Wing of the US Republican party. If it wasn't for nutcases like Bernadi, Labor and the Libs would be almost indistinguishable.

You seem rather confused in what you are saying....In one breath you are demanding I stop posting and in the next breath you say you have no issues with me posting....You state I do not back up my assertions...Perhaps you should go back over my posts and see for yourself.......You appear to be young and naive of what is going on around you and hence you are apt to make wild and incorrect statements to satisfy your own argument and seek to impress your comrades on this forum....You have a lot to learn and some day you will come to understand what is really happening around the world and in Australia.

You say there are elements in the LNP who agree with Shorten and the CFMEU...Now it is your turn to back up your statement.....Please be free to name the LNP people you refer to or is that just another wild statement on your part.

We don't underestimate your entertainment value, so please keep posting, but we reserve the right to point out where you are wrong.

 

[Tink]

You keep posting, noco, and don't let them silence you.

The ABC does enough of that with their censorship.

 

[MrBurns]

You keep posting, noco, and don't let them silence you.

The ABC does enough of that with their censorship.

Agreed. You don't know how lucky you are in here the contributors are intelligent and incisive. Other forums are very ordinary by comparison.

 

[noco]

The Labor party has actually moved so far to the Right under Hawke/Keating and Rudd/Gillard that there really isn't much difference in their positions to that of Malcolm Turnbull. Labor now has a general inclination to do as little as possible in the economy compared to what Whitlam would have done.

The Right of the Libs has moved further Right, and now resembles the "God is on our side" looney Right Wing of the US Republican party. If it wasn't for nutcases like Bernadi, Labor and the Libs would be almost indistinguishable.



We don't underestimate your entertainment value, so please keep posting, but we reserve the right to point out where you are wrong.

Good old Rumpy to the rescue of Galumay....Can't he speak for himself?

I am still waiting for him to tell who the LNP MPs are who agree with Bill Shorten and the corrupt CFMEU over the CHAFTA..

I am still waiting for him to tell me where I have not posted links to my opinions and statements..

 

[SirRumpole]

Good old Rumpy to the rescue of Galumay....Can't he speak for himself?

I am still waiting for him to tell who the LNP MPs are who agree with Bill Shorten and the corrupt CFMEU over the CHAFTA..

I am still waiting for him to tell me where I have not posted links to my opinions and statements..

People can speak for themselves , I'm simply disagreeing with your assertion that the Labor Party are a load of commie conspirators in disguise. There is simply nothing to back up those assertions.

 

[Tisme]

... You don't know how lucky you are in here the contributors are intelligent and incisive. .

And demanding of respect for age it seems....some people here are fricken old ...... almost makes me want to tread carefully incase I cause a fatal conniption.

I'm picturing the gramophone snugged in the corner on a parqued stand, Bob Dyer sounding out on the Tasma wireless receiver, the Chesterfields taking pride and place on the fruit box wood occasional table next to Dad's lounge chair, .... the PM who didn't do a servile runner to his British masters like the last one, rallying the nation to find it's own way with our new mates across the pacific.

 

[Tisme]

People can speak for themselves , I'm simply disagreeing with your assertion that the Labor Party are a load of commie conspirators in disguise. There is simply nothing to back up those assertions.

The various unions around the nation during the communist hysteria were actually very much aware of how their organisation could be used as a political power vehicle, especially after Hitler and many/most were very active in allowing them a democratic voice, but making sure they were kept in check. The DLP was an opportunistic party that played on the reds under the bed bogie, but it helped to cement the public hysteria, much to Menzies' delight I'm sure.

We still see the hypnotic effect of that era on old crones who saddle up to fractured fairytales and BS they were spoon fed by a paranoid society (one I thought disappeared during the baby boomer upheavals) .

 

[MrBurns]

And demanding of respect for age it seems....some people here are fricken old ...... almost makes me want to tread carefully incase I cause a fatal conniption.

I'm picturing the gramophone snugged in the corner on a parqued stand, Bob Dyer sounding out on the Tasma wireless receiver, the Chesterfields taking pride and place on the fruit box wood occasional table next to Dad's lounge chair, .... the PM who didn't do a servile runner to his British masters like the last one, rallying the nation to find it's own way with our new mates across the pacific.

With any luck you might grow old as well.

 

[Tisme]

With any luck you might grow old as well.

I might even be older than Noco for all you know.

So while I'm waiting for the last sleep, I'll continue being a hipster for women's attention

 

[SirRumpole]

We still see the hypnotic effect of that era on old crones who saddle up to fractured fairytales and BS they were spoon fed by a paranoid society (one I thought disappeared during the baby boomer upheavals) .

Bjelke Petersen played the "reds under the bed" to good effect (for him). A giant gerrymander helped too.

 

[overhang]

Malcolm Turnbull in my view has done much to repair the NBN but one needs to consider that beyond the specific technologies to understand that

I feel if you judge on the per-election promises then the coalition have failed on the NBN front. They promised "Under the Coalition’s NBN all premises will have access to download speeds 25mbps to 100mbps by the end of 2016. The minimum speed will rise to 50mbps by the end of 2019 for 90 per cent of fixed line users. "
They still have over 12 months to see how close they can get to having all Australians connected by 2016 but at this stage it's forecasted to be well under half.

"Our plan will cost $29.5 billion. This will ensure the NBN is cash flow positive and can operate without assistance from government."

It's now going to cost between 46 billion and 56 billion all though the money will be sourced elsewhere as the peak government funding of 29.5 billion will not be increased. One has to wonder how they overestimated Labors plan but underestimated their own plan by so much. You can say that Labors was worst case but they never mentioned that and campaigned on the NBN costing 90 billion all election.

Probably the worst of all was Turnbull sacking the NBN board and installing his ex-Telstra executive mates. This was a huge conflict of interest as they were allowed to keep their Telstra shares all whilst negotiating a 11 billion dollar deal with Telstra, how we can trust they put the taxpayers interests ahead of their own as Telstra shareholders is beyond me.

 

[overhang]

I will say though it's refreshing to hear a PM that has dropped the rhetoric, he doesn't need 10 flags behind him for a press conference, isn't blaming Labor every second sentence and isn't running a fear-mongering campaign to defeat the "death-cult". I think the only thing that could be this governments downfall will be if the right faction like Cory Bernardi seeks to undermine the government. No doubt back at the Labor camp there will be some quiet panic because Shorten didn't bring down Abbott, he brought himself down with his incompetence.

 

[Knobby22]

I am surprised no one is talking about the ministerial line up.

As Mark Kenny of the Age said "Turnbull has passed the first test of leadership simply by showing some."

I am very pleased with the new ministry. As Julia and I used to say, there is plenty of talent in the Libs but Abbott wouldn't let it rise preferring to keep his B grade mates such as that suckhole Kevin Andrews in power.

Finally we have some decent ministers who aren't interested in right wing ideology but rather want to achieve results for Australia. A woman Defence minister was good to see and poor old Shorten could only bleat that there isn't a separate minister for the handicapped (would should belong in the social services ministry anyway for obvious reasons).

The ministry is a good spread of younger and old, male and female, right and left; a proper Coalition ministry as what has occurred previously in history. I am now even more confident that we as a country will now make some good decisions.

 

[SirRumpole]

The ministry is a good spread of younger and old, male and female, right and left; a proper Coalition ministry as what has occurred previously in history. I am now even more confident that we as a country will now make some good decisions.

There is certainly room for optimism, the question is will he keep some of the current rubbish policies or go for something better , eg

* draconian meta data retention.

* stupid waste of taxpayers money in "Direct Action" on climate change

* tax perks for the rich, NG , superannuation., family trusts

* making uni degrees more expensive

* support for coal instead of renewables

* continued action in Iraq

 

[noco]

Agreed. You don't know how lucky you are in here the contributors are intelligent and incisive. Other forums are very ordinary by comparison.

Thanks Tink and Mr.Burns for your support.....The lefties have tried to make out I had no support on the ASF and that I am some sort of a crank and a Loner with extreme opinions that are opposed to their ideology of politics and when you disagree with them they turn to their nasty side..... As you may have noted one member in particular maintains I should stop posting altogether.....Their attempt to monopolize this forum is not working and I am sure there are plenty of viewers who would agree with me.