The Turnbull Government

[noco]

Australia records biggest emissions drop in a decade as carbon tax kicks in



Why don't you do some research before spouting your propaganda noco, you are just embarrassing yourself.

Ah yes, the good old COMMIE PAPER the Guardian.......Do you really believe in what they say?

The paper is full of Fabian propaganda and lies.

 

[overhang]

Ah yes, the good old COMMIE PAPER the Guardian.......Do you really believe in what they say?

The paper is full of Fabian propaganda and lies.

Here is one from the completely neutral unbiased news source from news corp.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-carbon-tax-take/story-e6frg6xf-1226559632995

CARBON emissions from the electricity sector have dived in the first six months under the carbon tax, with much greater use of renewable energy and cutbacks in consumption.

 

[galumay]

Ah yes, the good old COMMIE PAPER the Guardian.......Do you really believe in what they say?

The paper is full of Fabian propaganda and lies.

You really would be better to stop posting and ebarrassing yourself. Do you not think its telling that there is not a single member that appears to agree with your fanciful conspiracy theories?

Once your errors of fact are stripped from your posts all that remains is your shrill name calling and petty insults.

We have tried to help you realise how incorrect you are, a recent example was my pointing out the error of thinking that Bill Shorten was a CMFEU man. You of course refused to listen to people that actually know what they are talking about and kept spewing your propoganda and fallacies.

If you really think Hastie would have won Canning with a swing of only 6% against him with Abbott as PM you are delusional. All the polling showed that it would be borderline, with a stong chance of the ALP gaining the seat, the only thing that saved Canning from being a disaster for the LNP was Turnbull as PM.

Noco, what you should do is take a bex, have a lie down and then try to be a bit less extremist and OTT in your view of the world, do a bit more research rather than spewing out the sort of invective that lost Tony his job and you will probably find you win a few friends and start to influence a few people.

 

[noco]

You really would be better to stop posting and ebarrassing yourself. Do you not think its telling that there is not a single member that appears to agree with your fanciful conspiracy theories?

Once your errors of fact are stripped from your posts all that remains is your shrill name calling and petty insults.

We have tried to help you realise how incorrect you are, a recent example was my pointing out the error of thinking that Bill Shorten was a CMFEU man. You of course refused to listen to people that actually know what they are talking about and kept spewing your propoganda and fallacies.

If you really think Hastie would have won Canning with a swing of only 6% against him with Abbott as PM you are delusional. All the polling showed that it would be borderline, with a stong chance of the ALP gaining the seat, the only thing that saved Canning from being a disaster for the LNP was Turnbull as PM.

Noco, what you should do is take a bex, have a lie down and then try to be a bit less extremist and OTT in your view of the world, do a bit more research rather than spewing out the sort of invective that lost Tony his job and you will probably find you win a few friends and start to influence a few people.

So are you trying to deny that Bill Shorten is not a sympathizer of the CFMEU regarding the CHAFTA?....Or he is running around with these corrupt unionist.....It has been all over the news on TV and the news papers...You must be getting around with blinkers on your bleedin' eyes.

Here are some facts about the Labor Party Carbon Dioxide tax which you may care to read.

BTW, who in the hell do you think you are in demanding that I stop posting my opinion just because I do not agree with you and your socialist left comrades....You seem to forget we live in a democracy where free speech is permitted unlike in communist countries where you are restricted in what you can say and do....Once again you are of the socialist left brigade who always resort to character assassination in an attempt to shut any body up who is opposed to socialism and the Fabian ideology....If you don't like what I post then it is stiff bickies.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_pricing_in_Australia

Falls in carbon emissions were observed following implementation of this policy.[3] It was noted that emissions from sectors subject to the pricing mechanism were 1.0% lower[4] and nine months after the introduction of the pricing scheme, Australia's emissions of carbon dioxide from electricity generation had fallen to a 10-year low, with coal generation down 11% from 2008 to 2009.[5] However, attribution of these trends to carbon pricing have been disputed, with Frontier Economics claiming trends are largely explained by factors unrelated to the carbon tax.[6][7] Electricity demand had been falling and in 2012 was at the lowest level seen since 2006 in the National Electricity Market.[8]

Alternative explanations of emissions reductions

Frontier Economics said the reduction in emissions from the electricity sector in the first year of the carbon tax was 'largely explained by factors unrelated to the carbon tax'. [6][7]

The Energy Users Association of Australia (EUAA) said in June 2013 "we suggest that it cannot be said that pricing emissions has reduced emissions in stationary energy to any meaningful extent" [39]

 

[SirRumpole]

Frontier Economics said the reduction in emissions from the electricity sector in the first year of the carbon tax was 'largely explained by factors unrelated to the carbon tax'. [6][7]

The Energy Users Association of Australia (EUAA) said in June 2013 "we suggest that it cannot be said that pricing emissions has reduced emissions in stationary energy to any meaningful extent" [39][/B]

No one likes to admit that a tax has done anything useful. People don't like taxes and want them removed. Saying that a tax is good is not a good way to reduce taxes even if they are good taxes.

 

[noco]

In a surprise move, Joe Hockey and decided to quit politics.

 

[SirRumpole]

In a surprise move, Joe Hockey and decided to quit politics.

Looks like the Age of Entitlement is over for Joe

 

[galumay]

So are you trying to deny that Bill Shorten is not a sympathizer of the CFMEU regarding the CHAFTA?....Or he is running around with these corrupt unionist.....It has been all over the news on TV and the news papers...You must be getting around with blinkers on your bleedin' eyes.

*sigh* I think you are confused, agreeing with a specific concern of a group doenst meen you support them or agree with them in totality. Concerns about the CHAFTA are hardly something only held by the CMFEU, many diverse groups including elements of the LNP have grave concerns. The only blinkers is your blindfold to reality. Let me tell you again, Bill Shorten, the ALP and the AWU have long held antipathy towards the CMFEU.

Here are some facts about the Labor Party Carbon Dioxide tax which you may care to read.

Really? The best you can do is Wikipedia quoting power industry lobby groups?

BTW, who in the hell do you think you are in demanding that I stop posting my opinion just because I do not agree with you and your socialist left comrades....You seem to forget we live in a democracy where free speech is permitted unlike in communist countries where you are restricted in what you can say and do....Once again you are of the socialist left brigade who always resort to character assassination in an attempt to shut any body up who is opposed to socialism and the Fabian ideology....If you don't like what I post then it is stiff bickies.

I have no issue with you posting your opinions, what i and others challeenge is the reality that you abjectly fail to back up your opinions with rational argument. Once again you just resort to ad hominem attacks and name calling because its all you have. I wasnt trying to stop you posting, merely giving you some constuctive advice on how you might actually get taken seriously. Have a read of that paragragh above and see if you can spot the massive hypocricy.

Anyway I think this discussion has dragged on long enough, you can lead a horse to water etc etc.

Turnbull's cabinet reshuffle looks to be another positive move in the early days of his leadership. Leaving Dutton with immigration seems odd, Pyne with science is strange but i guess he couldnt get rid of all the extremists nuts in one move. I think the cabinet will be pretty well recieved by moderate voters across the major parties.

 

[drsmith]

Malcolm Turnbull's Cabinet reshuffle: ABC's who's going where?

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-20/turnbull-cabinet-reshuffle-whos-going-where/6775446

Ministry announcement speech,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ly_MFD0Drg

 

[Wysiwyg]

All hail ----- Malcolm the Conqueror -----

 

[noco]

*sigh* I think you are confused, agreeing with a specific concern of a group doenst meen you support them or agree with them in totality. Concerns about the CHAFTA are hardly something only held by the CMFEU, many diverse groups including elements of the LNP have grave concerns. The only blinkers is your blindfold to reality. Let me tell you again, Bill Shorten, the ALP and the AWU have long held antipathy towards the CMFEU.



Really? The best you can do is Wikipedia quoting power industry lobby groups?



I have no issue with you posting your opinions, what i and others challeenge is the reality that you abjectly fail to back up your opinions with rational argument. Once again you just resort to ad hominem attacks and name calling because its all you have. I wasnt trying to stop you posting, merely giving you some constuctive advice on how you might actually get taken seriously. Have a read of that paragragh above and see if you can spot the massive hypocricy.

Anyway I think this discussion has dragged on long enough, you can lead a horse to water etc etc.

Turnbull's cabinet reshuffle looks to be another positive move in the early days of his leadership. Leaving Dutton with immigration seems odd, Pyne with science is strange but i guess he couldnt get rid of all the extremists nuts in one move. I think the cabinet will be pretty well recieved by moderate voters across the major parties.

Now listen here buster I am probably old enough to be your bloody grandfather and lived a lot longer and have been through more harsh times than you have had hot dinners....I have followed politics since the mid 40's and have a hell of a lot more knowledge of the history of various political parties than the average person including your good self....I have observed over the years in particular how the Labor Party have strayed from their grass roots to a more socialistic ideology.....Their aim is central control of the media, banks, mining agriculture and manufacturing or what is left of it.......Their first exercise is to control the media and the has become evident in the ABC where there is now 41% Greens and 31% Labor on the ABC traff....Something you may not be aware of and there are a lot of people in the same mold. .

You seem rather confused in what you are saying....In one breath you are demanding I stop posting and in the next breath you say you have no issues with me posting....You state I do not back up my assertions...Perhaps you should go back over my posts and see for yourself.......You appear to be young and naive of what is going on around you and hence you are apt to make wild and incorrect statements to satisfy your own argument and seek to impress your comrades on this forum....You have a lot to learn and some day you will come to understand what is really happening around the world and in Australia.

You say there are elements in the LNP who agree with Shorten and the CFMEU...Now it is your turn to back up your statement.....Please be free to name the LNP people you refer to or is that just another wild statement on your part.

 

[drsmith]

All hail ----- Malcolm the Conqueror -----

Fairfax's Peter Hartcher,

Malcolm Turnbull stole Bill Shorten's biggest asset last week when he removed the unloved Tony Abbott. Now he has stolen the Labor leader's narrative too.

Shorten has been framing the next federal election as a contest between the past and the future.

Abbott represented the past, denying gay marriage, defending coal, handing out knighthoods.

Or, as the satirical website The Shovel put it in its valedictory headline: "Tony Abbott, prime minister 2013-1955."

Shorten was preening himself as the face of the future: "We see the future," he said in his reply to the May budget.

"We see the future as one defined by science, technology, education and innovation.

"We see a future in Australia with good jobs and thriving businesses, productive infrastructure and liveable cities."

It was smart because it was a vision that Abbott, denying gay marriage and defending coal in between handing out knighthoods, could never plausibly claim.

But now Turnbull has seen it, and signed it up to vote Liberal.

"We will be a government for the future, that is critical," Turnbull said in announcing his ministry.

And he shrewdly turned the future against Shorten and the Labor Party: "You saw in the Canning byelection" which the Liberals won on Saturday, "how the Labor Party was trying to frighten the citizens of Canning back into poverty, trying to scare them about the future.

"Imagine saying to people, 'Oh you can't, you don't want to engage with China, it's all too big and scary.'"

Turnbull enlisted the optimistic narrative about the future into the service of the government's trade agreement with China.

"We have to have courage, we have to have optimism," he enthused, "to seize those opportunities."

Abruptly, Labor is positioned as the defensive party of the past, stuck with its structural ties to the trade unions.

And Turnbull has put together a team that gives some body to his narrative. Some of his key appointments will give new energy and possibility to old positions.

A generation of relatively young women, Marise Payne as minister for defence, Kelly O'Dwyer in small business and Michaelia Cash in employment, for instance.

Other forward-looking appointments include Josh Frydenberg into resources, Christian Porter into social services and Jamie Briggs into the new area of policy for cities.

Thanks, Bill, liveable cities is a great idea for a future-focused government.

The central appointment, though, is that of Treasurer.

Love him or hate him, Scott Morrison has proved to be an energetic and capable minister in two portfolios, immigration and social services. His greatest test is now upon him.

Within his larger construct of a future vision, Turnbull has achieved a smaller, meaner political end too. "Every plotter wins a prize," as an Abbott loyalist put it.

Does this set up future vendettas? Hey, it's politics. But for now, the sense of possibility is paramount. Turnbull likes to say: "There's never been a more exciting time to be an Australian." His biggest task is to make everyone share the excitement.

Everyone except Bill, of course.

Bill won't sleep well tonight.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...hes-taken-something-else-20150920-gjqzji.html

 

[drsmith]

I didn't think it would take long for Andrew Bolt to come around after today's wake for the Abbott prime-ministership,

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/...ns_cabinet_without_treading_on_too_many_toes/

 

[banco]

Now listen here buster I am probably old enough to be your bloody grandfather and lived a lot longer and have been through more harsh times than you have had hot dinners....I have followed politics since the mid 40's and have a hell of a lot more knowledge of the history of various political parties than the average person including your good self....I have observed over the years in particular how the Labor Party have strayed from their grass roots to a more socialistic ideology.....Their aim is central control of the media, banks, mining agriculture and manufacturing or what is left of it......

Noco who privatised the Commonwealth bank etc? At some point reality has to intrude......

 

[drsmith]

Noco who privatised the Commonwealth bank etc?

I was about to congratulate you on your longevity but then I realised, you may not be talking about the mid-1940's.

Since privatising CBA, Labor has definitely strayed.

 

[banco]

Since then, they've definitely strayed.

Yes I remember well their calls for the renationalisation of industries etc. in their recent election platforms. Thank God they didn't get elected.

 

[galumay]

Now listen here buster I am probably old enough to be your bloody grandfather and lived a lot longer and have been through more harsh times than you have had hot dinners....

See this is exactly what i mean, you cant back up any of your opinions with facts, so you just attack the person.

If you are old enough to be my grandfather you are over 100 years old. Not that it has the slightest thing to do with anything.

The rest of your off topic rambling I am going to ignore because I dont think its in the interest of this thread to continue trying to get you to engage in a rational discussion.

 

[galumay]

Bill won't sleep well tonight.

I suspect Little Bill hasnt slept well for a few nights!

The real issue for the ALP is that the issues where they might have stood for an alternative they have all too often capitulated to line up with the LNP. So the inhumane, illegal and disgraceful treatment of refugees was an obvious opportuity for leadership squandered by Little Bill and the ALP. The data retention laws were another where they were jellybacked.

As the quoted article says Turnbull has taken their catch phrase about the future and turned it on them - its particularly clever because its not easily measurable. You could argue Turnbull's mess of the NBN suggests the future is not his strong point, but there are enough other areas where the term can be thrown around with gay abandon and its a small and moving target.

Turnbull is certainly off to a strong start, the result in Canning will do a lot to shore up the doubters, the LNP know from the polling just how much of a difference Turnbull made there. The reshuffle seems to have been well calculated and should satisfy those looking for the liberals to move back to a less extremist cabinet, it probably wont infuriate the super-drys and religious extremists either - they will feel they still have some voice.

ScoMo will be interesting to watch, can he adapt and play the game or is he a rusted on hardliner? I suspect the former and this might be the making of him.

 

[noco]

Noco who privatised the Commonwealth bank etc? At some point reality has to intrude......

Labor privatized the Commonwealth Bank and QANTAS.

 

[noco]

See this is exactly what i mean, you cant back up any of your opinions with facts, so you just attack the person.

If you are old enough to be my grandfather you are over 100 years old. Not that it has the slightest thing to do with anything.

The rest of your off topic rambling I am going to ignore because I dont think its in the interest of this thread to continue trying to get you to engage in a rational discussion.

Just back up you statement that there are LNP MPs who agree with Shorten and his comrades in the CFMEU over the CHAFTA.....If you can't then you are a hypocrite.

Please tell me what opinions I have made that are not backed up and I will endeavor to clarify it for you.