The state of the economy at the street level

[farmerge]

Such teachers are very rare.

My fellow, Mr Chapman was his name, was an officer in the air force reserve and got many of of us along to cadets out of respect for his benevolent authority (even if we were totally terrified of him). He is the only teacher I truly respected, or even remember their name.

Best time of my youth TBH.

Mine in high school was Peter Tannoch. Any football followers in the 1960's and of an East Perth flavour will or should remember him. Married Caroline Noble of Ch 7 childrens afternoon programme.
Daily News headline when they married: A Noble marries a Royal

 

[sptrawler]

In High School In 3rd year we had one of the best teachers ever, who taught Social Studies.
He was a formidable bloke standing about 6'4'', was a ruckman for East Perth for 3 or 4 years before winning a scholarship to the USA.
When he returned he became the Vice Chancellor of Note Dame University at Fremantle.
I might add he would stay back at school until 5pm every day, and if we wanted to, he was there for 1.5 hours extra teaching.
Not too many did not take up this offer.

Yes they don't make them like that anymore, my FIL was a headmaster, he used to go to the school at 7.00am and get everything ready and very seldom returned home before 5pm.

One of my grandsons goes to Rossmoyne High School, a Perth public school which always ranks highly in Australian, he was telling me that he loves math and his teacher is over 70 years old.

Funny that.

 

[Craton]

and the first union i ( was forced to join by the management ) stabbed to workers in the back ( without telling members of the changes they agreed to ) that lot got evicted ( from the entire state ) but later the replacement became equally corrupted

and that started a sequence of unhappy outcomes when a union member .. over the decades

lucky for me , not long after i was finally allowed to vote ( because they lowered the age )
not so great an outcome for the ALP

From the Archives, 1973: Australia to lower the voting age to 18

On February 28, 1973, the newly installed Labor government introduced its first piece of legislation to parliament, a bill to allow 18-year-olds to vote in Federal parliament. It was described by one government minister as “an historic occasion – an occasion too long delayed.”

www.smh.com.au

but thank you Gough i no longer had to worry about betting illegally on course ( or in the TAB )

as a side hustle

Re unions.
One thing that peeved me right off about having to be a union member, no union = no work, when the union went out on strike us apprentices had to keep working, employers had to keep paying us and our trade training had to continue uninterupted.

In the 1990's, after a decade in the big smoke I moved back to my birthplace and as a hobby, I joined a local band with regular gigs at least once a fortnight.
The Musicians Union found out the day of my first gig with said band and before I could plunk a musical note, yep, had to join the frigging union. That union fee cost me more than the gig paid!

Sorry all, just venting but geez at the time, it stung.

 

[farmerge]

Yes they don't make them like that anymore, my FIL was a headmaster, he used to go to the school at 7.00am and get everything ready and very seldom returned home before 5pm.

One of my grandsons goes to Rossmoyne High School, a Perth public school which always ranks highly in Australian, he was telling me that he loves math and his teacher is over 70 years old.

Funny that.

My brother and sisters all went to the local State Primary and High Schools.
Couldn't have received a better education from these two institutions.
Both had teachers of an extremely high standard, who actually taught.
There certainly are some very good teachers out there still today, but unfortunaely not so flash ones also.

 

[farmerge]

Re unions.
One thing that peeved me right off about having to be a union member, no union = no work, when the union went out on strike us apprentices had to keep working, employers had to keep paying us and our trade training had to continue uninterupted.

In the 1990's, after a decade in the big smoke I moved back to my birthplace and as a hobby, I joined a local band with regular gigs at least once a fortnight.
The Musicians Union found out the day of my first gig with said band and before I could plunk a musical note, yep, had to join the frigging union. That union fee cost me more than the gig paid!

Sorry all, just venting but geez at the time, it stung.

@Craton Some years when I had a Ditch Witch, about a sizeable Bobcat one,
I was contracted by a builder to dig trenches out at the back of Wanneroo.
Same sort of story, the BLF were on site and demanded that I join up as a temporary Union Member.
I informed the builder I was not going to join that mob of thugs and would pack up and go home, leaving no trenches and no work for the rest of the crew to carry out.
Not too sure even to this day actually what expired between the builder and stand over creton, but the trenches were dug and I was left alone.
Perhaps I was in Coventry because of my stance.

 

[sptrawler]

My brother and sisters all went to the local State Primary and High Schools.
Couldn't have received a better education from these two institutions.
Both had teachers of an extremely high standard, who actually taught.
There certainly are some very good teachers out there still today, but unfortunaely not so flash ones also.

Yes it's a bit like nursing, both are careers that really require a certain personality, rather than a degree.

That's where teachers training college and Schools of nursing attached to hospitals worked, the students got on the job training and the lecturers got to see if the trainee was suitable.

Now everyone who gets the degree gets a badge and the Government gets to charge the trainee for the degree, whereas before the trainees were paid to learn on the job.

Hah politicians and a pot of money,who cares about the outcomes.

 

[farmerge]

Yes it's a bit like nursing, both are careers that really require a certain personality, rather than a degree.

That's where teachers training college and Schools of nursing attached to hospitals worked, the students got on the job training and the lecturers got to see if the trainee was suitable.

Now everyone who gets the degree gets a badge and the Government gets to charge the trainee for the degree, whereas before the trainees were paid to learn on the job.

Hah politicians and a pot of money,who cares about the outcomes.

Rather sad really, when there possibly many out there who would be really top teachers/nurses but can't qualify because a unti degree is needed.

 

[Smurf1976]

Nah, this is deliberate. Kind of like how even the most basic of money skills are no longer taught in school, we used to have classes explaining the systems we lived under and why and how they worked, it was called "civics", and it's now effectively non-existent.

Important stuff like economics, civics etc have been replaced with far more important subjects like new gender pronouns.

From my high school days between years 7 - 12:

English, maths, physics, chemistry, general science, social science, speech and drama, typing, French, German, Japanese, music, sport, art, cooking, sewing, business studies, public speaking, metalwork, woodwork, design drafting, automotive maintenance, computer science, electronics.

I do recall participating in a stock market trading game that involved real stocks but no real money. A paper trading / investing exercise just using daily prices from the newspaper but it was all properly recorded and administered, a competition of sorts.

There was definitely a political exercise, I remember that. Went through how it all works and even set up a mock parliament, complete with an election process based on the real one.

Also remember exercises calculating Income Tax using the real tax rates and wages for real jobs. Likewise interest on loans and deposits, household expenses and so on. A big part of that was the information wasn’t spoon fed, it was up to us to go to real banks and find out what the interest rates were, go to shops and check prices, find out how much it cost to rent or buy a house and so on. The research was a big part of it bearing in mind no internet then.

Among other things I recall freewheeling a car downhill at a considerable speed whilst others timed it at various points using stopwatches for a physics exercise. This was a real car to be clear, driven by unlicensed students. All OK, nobody crashed.

From memory there was a tax question in a maths exam, year 11 I think but not sure on that detail. I more vividly recall there was definitely a hydro engineering question in the year 12 physics exam.

Schools have probably changed somewhat since then.

Getting a long way off the thread subject though, all this would fit better elsewhere I think.

 

[frugal.rock]

Bye bye Dutton

 

[sptrawler]

Rather sad really, when there possibly many out there who would be really top teachers/nurses but can't qualify because a unti degree is needed.

And there are probably really smart teachers with degrees, that find kids actually give them the $hits and nurses with degrees that find dealing with unwell, whining people that keep filling their pants, isn't what they thought passing a degree was about. Lol

If they had done their training at a hospital, they would have worked out what the job was about, in their first year of training. Lol

Sometimes changes don't end up with better outcomes, but politicians never roll things back.

 

[farmerge]

From my high school days between years 7 - 12:

English, maths, physics, chemistry, general science, social science, speech and drama, typing, French, German, Japanese, music, sport, art, cooking, sewing, business studies, public speaking, metalwork, woodwork, design drafting, automotive maintenance, computer science, electronics.

I do recall participating in a stock market trading game that involved real stocks but no real money. A paper trading / investing exercise just using daily prices from the newspaper but it was all properly recorded and administered, a competition of sorts.

There was definitely a political exercise, I remember that. Went through how it all works and even set up a mock parliament, complete with an election process based on the real one.

Also remember exercises calculating Income Tax using the real tax rates and wages for real jobs. Likewise interest on loans and deposits, household expenses and so on. A big part of that was the information wasn’t spoon fed, it was up to us to go to real banks and find out what the interest rates were, go to shops and check prices, find out how much it cost to rent or buy a house and so on. The research was a big part of it bearing in mind no internet then.

Among other things I recall freewheeling a car downhill at a considerable speed whilst others timed it at various points using stopwatches for a physics exercise. This was a real car to be clear, driven by unlicensed students. All OK, nobody crashed.

From memory there was a tax question in a maths exam, year 11 I think but not sure on that detail. I more vividly recall there was definitely a hydro engineering question in the year 12 physics exam.

Schools have probably changed somewhat since then.

Getting a long way off the thread subject though, all this would fit better elsewhere I think.

But been a good conversation piece though, with memories flooding back.

 

[farmerge]

Yes it's a bit like nursing, both are careers that really require a certain personality, rather than a degree.

That's where teachers training college and Schools of nursing attached to hospitals worked, the students got on the job training and the lecturers got to see if the trainee was suitable.

Now everyone who gets the degree gets a badge and the Government gets to charge the trainee for the degree, whereas before the trainees were paid to learn on the job.

Hah politicians and a pot of money,who cares about the outcomes.

@sptrawler My late mother was a RPH trained Registered Nurse.
She started at RPH in 1943, with limited high school education.
Her father, my grandfather did not believe in advanced education for his 2 daughters.
My sister is also a RN (Registered Nurse) she did finish 5 years at high school and got her Leaving Certificate, but is also a hospital trained nurse.
Currently my eldest granddaughter is a RN at Joondalup.
Jumped through all the necessary hoops and only got limited exposure to hospital training during her years leading up to being qualified.
Now works in the ER and loves it.

 

[sptrawler]

@sptrawler My late mother was a RPH trained Registered Nurse.
She started at RPH in 1943, with limited high school education.
Her father, my grandfather did not believe in advanced education for his 2 daughters.
My sister is also a RN (Registered Nurse) she did finish 5 years at high school and got her Leaving Certificate, but is also a hospital trained nurse.
Currently my eldest granddaughter is a RN at Joondalup.
Jumped through all the necessary hoops and only got limited exposure to hospital training during her years leading up to being qualified.
Now works in the ER and loves it.

Very similar story to mine, the MIL was a Freo hospital trained RN and my father in law even though he was a headmaster, was of the same belief as your grandfather.

Therefore even though my wife matriculated in physics, chemistry, maths 2&3 he refused to support her going to Uni and she did her RN training at Freo hospital, as did her sister ( my SIL).

 

[wayneL]

Pretty self explanatory

 

[qldfrog]

Pretty self explanatory

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A list of winners especially considering military forces (Israel, US)

 

[over9k]

Pretty self explanatory

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To be fair, in order to have a bureaucracy you need to have a functioning government and most of the third and developing world just... doesn't.

Not to say that the bloat here isn't ridiculous but to include rwanda is more than disingenuous.

The right comparison would be among first world countries, not countries of a particular size.

 

[qldfrog]

To be fair, in order to have a bureaucracy you need to have a functioning government and most of the third and developing world just... doesn't.

Not to say that the bloat here isn't ridiculous but to include rwanda is more than disingenuous.

The right comparison would be among first world countries, not countries of a particular size.

and I would also remove the armed forces in another column, still PS but obvious difference if you are Lichtenstein or Russia/US

 

[Dona Ferentes]

Pretty self explanatory

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dos that include consultants?

 

[qldfrog]

does that include consultants?

no, so imagine.......

 

[divs4ever]

no, so imagine.......

well i looked at China ( infamous for it's bureaucracy ) and some other 'free nations ' as a guide

ALSO you could use Singapore as a reference point