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Resisting Climate Hysteria

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  1. basilio

    basilio Well-Known Member

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    I thought this piece from The Guardian was pretty much on the money. Certainly resonated with me.

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/06/trump-world-climate-change-denial
     
  2. noco

    noco Well-Known Member

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    Al Gore????...The Guardian????......The ones who exaggerate and distort the truth....The one's who self confess to false information..OMG..????????......You should have included Tim Flannery to make it sound better.

    There are some naive people in this world.
     
  3. noco

    noco Well-Known Member

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    Well what do you know?....The waters in the Coral Sea are actually cooling.....Means no La-Nina = no rain for Townsville......And while Labor sits on its hands with more water storage we enter into a crisis.

    I hope Tim Flannery does not visit Townsville otherwise he might con the Labor saturated city with another desalinization plant...That is the last thing we need...we have been screaming out for another dam for 2 decades and the Labor Party does nothing except talk...We now have a useless Federal MP, 3 state useless MPs and an all Labor local council.......Is it any wonder nothing gets done.

    The Labor council are pumping water from the Burdiken at $27,000 per day......How many more days?...At that rate it will cost $1,620,000 over the next 60 days and maybe another 60 days after that.....Who knows.

    No doubt, we, the stupid rate payers will have it reflected on our next rates bill.

    http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...h/news-story/b4531ba31785b5b387a6ced961ee9103
     
  4. noco

    noco Well-Known Member

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    I trust this link will put to rest all the propaganda and lies spread about the Adani coal mine by the looney left Greens.
    The state Labor Party government is on board and I suggest the Greens do the same and create jobs as they are always spruiking.

    http://www.townsvillebulletin.com.a...e/news-story/aa3fd0d8f926619e4751a38d98bef022

    Myth buster: Ten things you need to know about the Adani mine
    KIERAN ROONEY, Townsville Bulletin
    December 6, 2016 1:37pm
    Subscriber only

    THERE has been a lot of speculation about exactly what the Adani Carmichael coal mine will mean for North Queensland. Here, we bust some common myths and explain the facts.

    ISSUE 1

    The Federal Government is going to pay for half of Adani’s $2 billion rail line despite assurances it would not fund the project.

    FACT

    An application involved the proposed rail line to Abbot point has been passed on to the Northern Australia Infrastructure Facility. The $5 billion fund is designed to develop Northern Australia by providing loans to projects that meet strict economic tests. Any money provided to kickstart the project would need to be financially viable Adani would be required to pay it back.

    Source: NAIF website

    ISSUE 2

    Shipping the coal from North Queensland will put the reef in danger from spills and other forms of damage.

    FACT

    Every ship travelling through the Great Barrier Reef Marine Park Authority area is under strict guidelines and must be operated by highly experienced Australian pilot. This was introduced in 1991 to significantly reduce the risk of collisions and groundings. This will be the same for any ships travelling on their way to India.

    Source: GBRMPA
    Tug boat heads out to sea to retrieve a the next coal tanker to be filled at the Abbot Point terminal. (File image)

    ISSUE 3

    The government has bent over backwards and removed regulations to get this project over the line.

    FACT

    Adani has spent the past six years working to get the Carmichael mine project underway by meeting government regulations. It has already spent $3.3 billion to get to this stage and $100 million in court costs to date. Since the start of 2015, 22 key Commonwealth, State and local government approvals have been granted for Adani’s mine, rail and port facilities and there have been 29 key milestones reached.

    Source. State Government.

    ISSUE 4

    Adani cannot be trusted with their environmental responsibilities

    FACT

    There are about 200 rigorous environmental control imposed on this project as part of its approval process. Failure to meet these would mean immediate consequences from the State or Federal Government that would jeopardise the project.

    Source: State Development Minister Dr Anthony Lynham
    Rigorous environmental restrictions are in place to protect the Great Barrier Reef. (File picture)

    ISSUE 5

    Jobs will not be created for Australians or regional Queenslanders.

    FACT

    Adani has given a written pledge that it will not use 457 Visa holders for any construction or operational jobs.

    Source: Adani Group

    ISSUE 6

    The mine will drain from the water table damaging the environment and farmers.

    FACT.

    Adani is in currently applying for a water licence that will directly address this issue. Similar objections were raised in the Land Court and were cleared. Adani claim that not one directly affected land holder raised any objection in the Land Court.

    Source: State Government/ Adani/ Land Court
    Job creation. (File picture)

    ISSUE 7

    The economic case does not stack up for the mine

    FACT

    Adani is an infrastructure company, owning and running the ports, power plants and even the wires which provide power to homes. Given the company knows its own demand requirements the Australian mine will fit into this vertical structure from the ground to the grid. It has also invested $3.3 billion into the project and fought multiple legal battles instead of pursuing similar projects in other countries.

    Source: Adani

    ISSUE 8

    Dredged spoil will damage the Great Barrier Reef

    FACT

    Adani has reached an agreement with the State Government that spoil will be placed onshore in an area approved by environmental authorities. The company owns and operates the Abbot Point bulk coal loading facility and wants to expand this with a once-off dredging operation because the port is not affected by river run off and silting. This has been approved on stringent conditions the spoil will not touch the reef.

    Source: State Government
     
  5. SirRumpole

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    There are also people who constantly play the man instead of the ball because they don't know the subject and find it easier to denigrate than do research, and they mindlessly swallow and regurgitate the tinfoil hat conspiracy nonsense.
     
  6. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    Modified version:D
     
  7. SirRumpole

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    Or if they do, they are own goals.

    :D
     
  8. noco

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    That is the pot calling the kettle black because you and Tisme are past masters at playing the man......Ridicule your opponents in the hope of silencing them....Plenty of examples from the past.
     
  9. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    TROLL Alert !!!!!

    :D
     
  10. noco

    noco Well-Known Member

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    Yes and that is the type of juvenile answer I expected...Time to grow up.
     
  11. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    and then what? Look forward to senility and trolling the internet forums with a grab bag of broken records? ;)
     
  12. luutzu

    luutzu Well-Known Member

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    ...or, put those MacGuyver electrical engineering skills to work on using waves and tides to electrify the home; then dig them holes to go geothermal.

    Or troll noco.
     
  13. noco

    noco Well-Known Member

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    An interview with Peter Ridd on the false actuations of the Great Barrier Reef bleaching.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/blogs/a...s/news-story/da65fb7bac61af3677e171dafe072a1f
     
  14. trainspotter

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    Global warming? What global warming? House has been there for 86 years.

    LIVING.jpg
     
  15. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    Did he buy boats too big to fit in his garage? :)
     
  16. wayneL

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    Great article from Roy Spencer http://www.drroyspencer.com/2016/12...p-end-the-bias-in-government-funded-research/


     
  17. explod

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    So its being suggested that Government funded research has intoned a bias towards man made causes of climate change. You have to be joking. Of course early in the piece from the time of Thatcher to some degree yes but it is pretty well common knowledge that the petro/coal lobbies soon got behind Governments and turned that screw around.

    On causation there are many shades of grey at our public level/view. However we have hit the tipping point in overpopulation, economic expansionism and the climate instability. Peoples are being swept, washed, frozen and burnt away by the day now. Any possible contributions that can be stopped is a good thing if it MAY help. Coal and oil burning is one as the alternatives are advancing through good science at an amazing rate, creating new employment frontiers and cheaper more efficient power.

    Note I stated "MAY", we have to err on the side of caution for our future generations. If it is later shown that coal and oil is not the factor then our future generation will thank us for leaving some resources for their benefit. Not like the dreadful deal a couple of years back where we sold most of our future gas to China for less than five cents a litre.
     
  18. wayneL

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    No joke mate. If you went to the government with a hypothesis that varies from the mainstream Climate establishment view, you won't get funding... fact.

    They won't even support that essential part of scientific process, falsification.

    It happens in all fields now, especially the soft sciences, prostitutes to a higher mercantile or political imperative. Read up.
     
  19. Tisme

    Tisme Apathetic at Best

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    Does anyone remember the hysteria about Los Angeles and smog? Ralph Nader perhaps?

    Just saying that sometimes leadership and galvanised people power can change the world for better, while others sit on their hands and chant bah humbug: [​IMG]
     
  20. Logique

    Logique Investor

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    Interesting that the reef of today is only 8,000 years old, and grew not despite, but because of a gradually warming climate and rising sea levels since the last Ice Age.
     
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