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I wonder how the public will react when the "Muslim Community" gives our murdering mate a send off to paradise?
I also wonder if our secular authorities will ritually wash and release his body to relative in a rush to meet the sectarian wishes of his religious leaders.
Just thinking about how we seem too scared to insult a minority, but make the majority wear a greater insult these days.
After fleeing Iran, Monis settled in western Sydney and married Noleen Hayson Pal. It is believed the pair had two children. At some point he started calling himself Sheik Haron, although it is believed he had no religious training and Shia religious leaders publicly called on him to stop using the title.
...It is not known when Droudis came into Monis’s life, but we do know how Pal, his wife, left it — she was killed. In April 21 last year, firefighters were called to a fire in an apartment block in Werrington and found her dead in a stairwell. She had been stabbed numerous times.
Droudis was charged with her murder. Monis was charged with being an accessory, before and after the fact, in the murder of the mother of his two children. Both were eventually granted bail in December last year after a magistrate found that the case against both of them was weak.
The murder of Pal came towards the end of another long legal battle. In 2009 Monis was charged with sending offensive letters to families of Australian soldiers who had been killed in Afghanistan. It is believed he made contact with at least seven families. One of those letters was to the family of Private Greg Sher, a Jew, who had served with the 1st Commando Unit. Droudis phoned his family, days after his death, claiming she wanted to post a condolence letter. Felix Sher, the soldier’s father, said he was appalled when the letter arrived. “A Jewish man who kills innocent Muslim civilians is not a pig, he is a thousand times worse,” it said. “Why should we call a pig a hero?”]
In another incident a woman, believed to be Droudis, attended the funeral of Sergeant Brent Till, who was killed in 2009, defusing a bomb. She handed a letter to the dead soldier’s wife, Breanna Till — the letter said her husband was a murderer.
...After shopping around, Monis found lawyer Hugo Aston. Aston told him he thought he had a case for an appeal against his conviction, for sending letters to the families of dead Diggers.
“It seemed there was a case here for the High Court to determine the veracity of the legislation under which he was charged,” Aston said yesterday. “Basically, on the implied right to free speech, because not only did he send the letters to families of the deceased he also sent them to politicians.”
How much did this appeal cost? “I wouldn’t have a clue, it was all funded through the public purse, Legal Aid.”
is going to achieve anything much except increase division in the community.
What we need is for the people in government to slow down the immigration rate, be more selective about where we get the immigrants that we do take ..
It's not so long ago we gave the Poms billyoh for not assimilating and going on incessantly about "back home", we gave the greeks a hard time, the Italians, the Yugoslavs etc, but they had one thing in common ... they were hard workers, embraced the wider community, became patriots and didn't complain.
TONY Abbott has declared he wants to know why Sydney hostage-taker Man Haron Monis, who he describes as a “madman”, wasn’t being monitored.
After visiting Sydney for briefings and to lay a floral tribute, the Prime Minister this morning admitted the “system did not adequately deal with this individual.”
Mr Abbott said it was a “very good question” why Monis was allowed on the street, having had a serious criminal past as well as being on bail at the time.
Just to be clear, the "ideology" in question is Islamic religious beliefs and claims. Using the term medieval to describe the actions and beliefs of Islamic savages is a misnomer intending yet again be an apologist for religious tradition.Indeed yes, but I think you will find that the groups you specified in general don't have a medieval ideology that stuffs their brains and interferes with their hard working and patriotic characteristics.
Just to be clear, the "ideology" in question is Islamic religious beliefs and claims. Using the term medieval to describe the actions and beliefs of Islamic savages is a misnomer intending yet again be an apologist for religious tradition.
Your problem is that you think religions are all the same. Anyone who thinks like the Taliban does are mentally ill, I don't believe that people who go to church on Sunday and volunteer to help those less fortunate than themselves pose any danger to society. So just shove your "one size fits all" mentality and be prepared to use a bit of rational thinking instead of a continuous diatribe against all religion and all religious people. That sort of thinking is irrational and stupid.
I don't believe that people who go to church on Sunday and volunteer to help those less fortunate than themselves pose any danger to society.
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No, I have never asserted this and something you have concocted out of thin air to deliberately misrepresent my statements here, a totally baseless and self-serving claim. Rather I have clearly stated on more than one occasion that some forms of religious mythology are more overtly dangerous to society than others. This thread is specifically discussing the Islamic tradition, the fundamentalist version of which is the most virulent and poisonous form of religious mythology yet invented.Your problem is that you think religions are all the same.
It suits your apologetic mental framework to assert that all Taliban are mentally ill but it's quite obviously a false proposition. They are primarily brainwashed religious drones who are motivated by religious fervour to carry out acts of incredible violence while believing they are doing something worth dying for. You seem incapable of comprehending this and you are not alone.Anyone who thinks like the Taliban does are mentally ill, I don't believe that people who go to church on Sunday and volunteer to help those less fortunate than themselves pose any danger to society.
Yet another ridiculous straw man argument and beat-up intended to discredit a misrepresentation of what I have said here to make a useless point and self-inflate your ego. You deliberately ignore and misrepresent what I have said here to grandstand, that's not just irrational it's dishonest and you know it. If you can't debate this topic with honesty and a modicum of integrity then why not bow out instead of making foolish, emotive statements and petty insults.So just shove your "one size fits all" mentality and be prepared to use a bit of rational thinking instead of a continuous diatribe against all religion and all religious people. That sort of thinking is irrational and stupid.
Rather I have clearly stated on more than one occasion that some forms of religious mythology are more overtly dangerous to society than others. This thread is specifically discussing the Islamic tradition, the fundamentalist version of which is the most virulent and poisonous form of religious mythology yet invented.
IS are a threat to other Islamic countries just as they are to the West. Just because IS are Muslims doesn't mean they whole Islamic world is on their side. If people believe that Hitler was a Christian, what religions were the countries that defeated him ?
.I suggest that the growth of Islamic fundamentalism and associated terrorism activity is a response to how Middle Eastern countries have been treated/used/abused by the West
Just part of being an inclusive, tolerant and multi-cultural society
I don't think being outspoken about the surge in the Muslim population is going to achieve anything much except increase division in the community.
What we need is for the people in government to slow down the immigration rate, be more selective about where we get the immigrants that we do take, and cut down on welfare benefits which are an attraction for people from certain parts of the world.
Our 'murdering mate' was apparently on a disability pension for 10 years. How many more like him ?
The above adjustments to improve security can be done quietly and without attracting much outrage from the minority. Much better than generating more division.
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Thanks for the history lesson. Now of course the boot is on the other foot. Welfare countries like Europe and Australia, for decades now, have been the subject of an insidious invasion of Islamists like flies to a honeypot. Having found the conditions to their liking, they are breeding like flies. It's only a matter of a few decades before they will supplant us.
It is inevitable. Your worries about Israel will soon be resolved...they can't continue to exist in a cesspool of hatred. If the Iranian bomb doesn't take them out, then the ever expanding Islamist Caliphate will.
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