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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.0%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.5%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 80 40.0%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.0%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.5%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.0%
  • Total voters
    200
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Value Collector said:
We don't have a lot of apartments, mainly houses and townhouses, there is a few apartments around, but not many.

Charging Stations can be built faster than petrol stations, so I can't see there being an issue with growing the number of charging stations as demand grows. Right now I would say we probably have an over supply of charging locations in my suburb, 5 is lot, I never see any of them at 100% capacity, except maybe the one at Coles a few times hashed all 4 slots used, but that pretty rare.
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Depending on recharge habits.

I suppose the easy way is to just look where its already being done where theres high EV %. Im just too lazy for that info.
 
moXJO said:
Depending on recharge habits.

I suppose the easy way is to just look where its already being done where theres high EV %. Im just too lazy for that info.
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I think you are over thinking it, if there is high demand and existing chargers have high utilisation rates, more will get built. It’s just how the system works.
 
So what do our EV owners think of the proposed road user charge which is supported by both major parties?

I wonder if it will apply to hybrids as well?

Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?
 
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SirRumpole said:
So what do our EV owners think of the proposed road user charge which is supported by both major parties?

I wonder if it will apply to hybrids as well?

Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?
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Please stop it🥴
 
"Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?"
The sheer weight of EVs means they will already be subsidized, and the notion of carbon credit is an insult to my scientific background but that is another subject
 
SirRumpole said:
So what do our EV owners think of the proposed road user charge which is supported by both major parties?

I wonder if it will apply to hybrids as well?

Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?
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I am hppy to pay a road usage charge for my EV.
provided of course the bastard$ actually put the money into fixing the appalling state of regional roads and not just put it into consolidated revenue.
Mick
 
SirRumpole said:
So what do our EV owners think of the proposed road user charge which is supported by both major parties?

I wonder if it will apply to hybrids as well?

Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?
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I don’t mind EV’s having to pay a road user charge, as long as it’s fair and takes into consideration that we all ready pay rates and rego to local and state governments.

I also think that before the petrol burning crowd complains about EV’s not paying tax to the Feds for roads, they need to consider the Health care costs their air pollution inflicts on Australian cities. So maybe me don’t need to pay as much tax to the federal government as petrol cars do, if we want to balance things out completely.
 
qldfrog said:
"Should EV owners get "carbon credits" that they can use to offset road user charge?"
The sheer weight of EVs means they will already be subsidized, and the notion of carbon credit is an insult to my scientific background but that is another subject
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Is an EV heavier than a fuel tanker that delivers your fuel ⛽️ 😅. In Queensland our ev fuel comes over power lines owned by the government making them money not damaging roads.

Also I am pretty sure my Tesla Model 3 weighs less than all those land cruisers and Rams getting around.
 
moXJO said:
Thats because EVs are a tiny % right now.
Unit blocks that are older and density housing is where 5 is a joke. Thats why i asked about population density in that area
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The other issue is whether the distribution system is up to the load requirements, on a lot of high density areas, the suburb distribution system will require upgrading.

As an example, I want to upgrade the solar on our free standing unit, the electrical supply authority have stipulated an export limiting device has to be fitted, so that only 3kW max can be put back into the system.

This will be a problem for many groups of units, or higher density areas, I could go into maximum demand designed distribition, but in short a lot of suburban distribution isn't set up for high EV usage and demand.
It will get sorted, but I would guess the distribution companies are happy with the slow take up of EV's
 
sptrawler said:
The other issue is whether the distribution system is up to the load requirements, on a lot of high density areas, the suburb distribution system will require upgrading.

As an example, I want to upgrade the solar on our free standing unit, the electrical supply authority have stipulated an export limiting device has to be fitted, so that only 3kW max can be put back into the system.

This will be a problem for many groups of units, or higher density areas, I could go into maximum demand designed distribition, but in short a lot of suburban distribution isn't set up for high EV usage and demand.
It will get sorted, but I would guess the distribution companies are happy with the slow take up of EV's
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As long as the charging is mostly happening over night, when the distribution system is laying idle, it would actually be good for the grid in general.

Also, having a bunch of Ev's in your area charging during the day would assist your local grid in dealing with your solar export problem, because the reason they are limiting your exports is so as not to over load the grid, the more demand in your area the more solar it can absorb.
 
Value Collector said:
As long as the charging is mostly happening over night, when the distribution system is laying idle, it would actually be good for the grid in general.

Also, having a bunch of Ev's in your area charging during the day would assist your local grid in dealing with your solar export problem, because the reason they are limiting your exports is so as not to over load the grid, the more demand in your area the more solar it can absorb.
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The charging overnight probably wont be so good, when the overnight load is being supplied by batteries.

Also having a bunch of EV's charging during the day wont be so good, when the excess should actually be charging grid storage.

They may well be limiting my export due to supply conductor size, which in the units I'm in will be the case.
The same problem will apply, if everyone puts in a 7kW charger,if there are a lot of units, many complexes will have to upgrade their supply.
 
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sptrawler said:
The charging overnight probably wont be so good, when the overnight load is being supplied by batteries.

Also having a bunch of EV's charging during the day wont be so good, when the excess should actually be charging grid storage.

They may well be limiting my export due to supply conductor size, which in the units I'm in will be the case.
The same problem will apply, if everyone puts in a 7kW charger,if there are a lot of units, many complexes will have to upgrade their supply.
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I think you are over thinking it a bit, the grid will be using natural gas generation as a back up for a long time, not just batteries, and the more over night load there is the more the grid will be willing to add more wind to the grid. Because the biggest thing stopping wind projects is lack of demand over night and the middle of the day when solar competes
 
Value Collector said:
I think you are over thinking it a bit, the grid will be using natural gas generation as a back up for a long time, not just batteries, and the more over night load there is the more the grid will be willing to add more wind to the grid. Because the biggest thing stopping wind projects is lack of demand over night and the middle of the day when solar competes
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Maybe you are under thinking it? The belief that gas is the answer, is actually admitting renewables aren't.

Gas is extremely finite and as the activists know, not that clean, so there is little point using it as the goto answer for all the questions that can't be answered currently by renewables.

There is a huge amount of work to be done at the local electrical distribution level to faciltate high levels of EV ownership.

The biggest thing stopping wind projects is intermitancy, which brings return on investment into question and as with solar bevause of intermitancy of genereration a lot of surplus plant is required, which adds to reduction in ROI. A lot of large projects will be asking the Govt to guarantee a minimum amount payment, based on nameplate output whether they are generating or not.

I think you will find the issues are a lot more complex than your A will cancel out your B solutions.
The grid doesn't work on a she will be right mate process.
 
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