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Indeed.. And in some darker moments this morning I did contemplate a refresh of Trumps spectacular success (no other word for it) in creating a Republician Party where the overwhelming majority on candidates in the 2022 Mid terms supported his Big Lie on the rigged and stolen Presidential election. Goebbels must be green with envy at that success.

And just to refresh everyone on what we have missed why not recap the latest note of Trump unhinged at the height of his spitting power.

Let's not mention the media censorship of anything "Biden".
The amount or the amount of lies told about Trump by Democrat leaning sources.

Or ballot harvesting for that matter by paid groups
 
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Trump was right (again.....)


Tech billionaire Chamath says Europe is in an energy crisis because they listened to Greta Thunberg instead of Donald Trump.

"An entire continent essentially allowed a 16-year-old girl to dictate their energy policy. And when Greta Thunberg was able to shame an entire continent into walking away from nuclear and not really evaluating how you can have energy independence. What they did was they put Europe in an incredibly fragile position...

[President Trump's] language turned people off even though the message that he was delivering was 100% right. When Trump went to the United Nations, he was clear, he was precise, and in hindsight, and I'm saying this as a Democrat, he was right about the German reliance on Russian gas and the European reliance...

In all of our haste to overtly judge Trump because of his delivery and his personal style or whatever, we went toward this 16-year-old person who has no rooting in science or technology, to dictate the energy policy of an entire continent. I mean she was nominated for a Nobel Prize, just to remind you guys, this is how insane all of these people were."





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Well we can't say we havn't been told. The Republican nominee for Governor refuses to say she will accept the mid term results - unless she wins. If she wins that's fine. If not look out. Much like "Heads I win, Tails you lose" .

Just shows how effectively Donald Trump has corrupted the Republican Party.:(

Arizona governor candidate refuses to say if she will accept midterms result

Kari Lake, who has echoed Trump’s claims the 2020 election was stolen, refuses three times to answer when pressed on CNN
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Kari Lake with Donald Trump at a rally in Mesa, Arizona, earlier in October. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters

Sam Levine in New York
Mon 17 Oct 2022 23.49 AEDTLast modified on Tue 18 Oct 2022 05.36 AEDT


The Republican gubernatorial nominee in Arizona, Kari Lake, refused to say whether she would accept the results of the election if she loses in November.

Lake, a former Phoenix-area news anchor, has made denying the 2020 election results that her preferred candidate, Donald Trump, lost a pillar of her campaign. She has said she wouldn’t have certified the 2020 vote that the former president lost – and which the Democratic victor, Joe Biden, won in Arizona by just over 10,000 votes – saying the election was “corrupt, rotten”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...a-utah-ohio-biden-trump-jan-6-politics-latest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...a-utah-ohio-biden-trump-jan-6-politics-latest
Appearing on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, Lake was asked three times by host Dana Bash whether she would accept the results of next month’s election. She avoided the question twice, before saying she would accept it if she won.

“I’m going to win the election, and I will accept that result,” she said. She declined to answer when Bash followed up to ask if she would accept the result if she lost.

“I’m going to win the election, and I will accept that result,” she repeated.

Denying the results of the last presidential election has become orthodoxy in Republican politics. On the ballot this fall, 291 Republican nominees – a majority of those running – have denied or questioned the election results, according to a Washington Post analysis.

Arizona is one of several states across the country where Republicans who deny the results of the 2020 election are on the cusp of winning offices in which they would have oversight over how elections are run and play a role in certification. Lake is in a tight race against her Democratic opponent, Katie Hobbs. Lake has hammered Hobbs recently over her decision not to debate her, and there are grumblings among Arizona Democrats about Hobbs’s campaign.

In addition to Lake, Mark Finchem, a state lawmaker who played a key role in Trump’s failed efforts to overturn his ouster from the Oval Office, is also in a close race. He’s vying to be Arizona’s secretary of state. Finchem, who introduced a resolution to decertify the 2020 election earlier this year, led Democratic candidate Adrian Fontes 49%-45% in a recent CNN poll, which was within the poll’s margin of error. iVote, a group that works to elect Democratic secretaries of state, recently announced it would spend $5m on the race.

Appearing in Arizona recently, Liz Cheney, the Republican vice-chair of the January 6 committee, warned voters against backing Lake and Finchem. “They both said that they will only honor the results of an election if they agree with it,” she said.

“We cannot give people power who have told us that they will not hono
r elections. Elections are the foundation of our republic and peaceful transfers of power are the foundation of our republic.”

 

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Well we can't say we havn't been told. The Republican nominee for Governor refuses to say she will accept the mid term results - unless she wins. If she wins that's fine. If not look out. Much like "Heads I win, Tails you lose" .

Just shows how effectively Donald Trump has corrupted the Republican Party.:(

Arizona governor candidate refuses to say if she will accept midterms result

Kari Lake, who has echoed Trump’s claims the 2020 election was stolen, refuses three times to answer when pressed on CNN
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Kari Lake with Donald Trump at a rally in Mesa, Arizona, earlier in October. Photograph: Brian Snyder/Reuters

Sam Levine in New York
Mon 17 Oct 2022 23.49 AEDTLast modified on Tue 18 Oct 2022 05.36 AEDT


The Republican gubernatorial nominee in Arizona, Kari Lake, refused to say whether she would accept the results of the election if she loses in November.

Lake, a former Phoenix-area news anchor, has made denying the 2020 election results that her preferred candidate, Donald Trump, lost a pillar of her campaign. She has said she wouldn’t have certified the 2020 vote that the former president lost – and which the Democratic victor, Joe Biden, won in Arizona by just over 10,000 votes – saying the election was “corrupt, rotten”.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...a-utah-ohio-biden-trump-jan-6-politics-latest
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...a-utah-ohio-biden-trump-jan-6-politics-latest
Appearing on CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, Lake was asked three times by host Dana Bash whether she would accept the results of next month’s election. She avoided the question twice, before saying she would accept it if she won.

“I’m going to win the election, and I will accept that result,” she said. She declined to answer when Bash followed up to ask if she would accept the result if she lost.

“I’m going to win the election, and I will accept that result,” she repeated.

Denying the results of the last presidential election has become orthodoxy in Republican politics. On the ballot this fall, 291 Republican nominees – a majority of those running – have denied or questioned the election results, according to a Washington Post analysis.

Arizona is one of several states across the country where Republicans who deny the results of the 2020 election are on the cusp of winning offices in which they would have oversight over how elections are run and play a role in certification. Lake is in a tight race against her Democratic opponent, Katie Hobbs. Lake has hammered Hobbs recently over her decision not to debate her, and there are grumblings among Arizona Democrats about Hobbs’s campaign.

In addition to Lake, Mark Finchem, a state lawmaker who played a key role in Trump’s failed efforts to overturn his ouster from the Oval Office, is also in a close race. He’s vying to be Arizona’s secretary of state. Finchem, who introduced a resolution to decertify the 2020 election earlier this year, led Democratic candidate Adrian Fontes 49%-45% in a recent CNN poll, which was within the poll’s margin of error. iVote, a group that works to elect Democratic secretaries of state, recently announced it would spend $5m on the race.

Appearing in Arizona recently, Liz Cheney, the Republican vice-chair of the January 6 committee, warned voters against backing Lake and Finchem. “They both said that they will only honor the results of an election if they agree with it,” she said.

“We cannot give people power who have told us that they will not hono
r elections. Elections are the foundation of our republic and peaceful transfers of power are the foundation of our republic.”

Scary times.
 
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So exactly how clear does it have to be to demonstrate the criminal dishonesty of Donald Trump ? I appreciate that for some posters on ASF there will never, ever be sufficient evidence of criminal dishonesty. They ain't for turning.

But for those who have respect for reality this development is worth considering.

Trump signed statement alleging voter fraud knowing it was false, judge says

Document was part of lawsuit challenging results of 2020 election in Georgia
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A video deposition showing John Eastman is played during a January 6 committee hearing this month. Photograph: Rex/Shutterstock

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Thu 20 Oct 2022 11.00 AEDTLast modified on Thu 20 Oct 2022 11.54 AEDT


Donald Trump signed a legal statement alleging voter fraud in the 2020 election despite being told the numbers underpinning the case were false, a federal judge said on Wednesday.

The disclosure was made by the US district judge David Carter, who ordered John Eastman, a former Trump lawyer, to provide more emails to the congressional committee investigating the January 6 attack on the US Capitol.

Eastman was one of Trump’s attorneys when the former president and his allies challenged his 2020 election loss to Joe Biden.
The legal document was part of a lawsuit by Trump’s team challenging the results in Georgia, a state Trump narrowly lost to Biden, in which they claimed a Georgia county had improperly counted more than 10,000 votes of dead people, felons and unregistered voters.

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/18/trump-mar-a-lago-documents-seized-fbi
In an 18-page opinion, Carter said that the former president had “signed a verification swearing under oath” that the inaccurate fraud numbers were “true and correct” or “believed to be true and correct” to the best of his knowledge.

“The emails show that President Trump knew that the specific numbers of voter fraud were wrong but continued to tout those numbers, both in court and to the public,” the judge wrote, adding: “The Court finds that these emails are sufficiently related to and in furtherance of a conspiracy to defraud the United States.”


Carter previously ruled that Eastman and Trump had probably committed a felony by trying to pressure his then vice-president, Mike Pence, to obstruct Congress.

The ruling was made in a lawsuit filed by Eastman to block disclosure of the emails to the January 6 select committee, following a congressional subpoena.

Carter previously ordered Eastman to provide over 200 emails to the committee, after the lawyer resisted the subpoena and claimed that the communications were privileged.

 
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The just completed mid term elections were a complete disaster for Trump.
His high profile support of Gen Dolduc, Mehmet OZ and hershel Walker both lost.
His rivals, Desantis , Abbot and Brian Kemp and Rubio all had good wins, and it is to be hoped that one of them gets the republican nod as the preferred candidate.
The only way i can see Trump running in 2024 , assuming he escapes the myriad of court cases he faces, is if he runs as purely independant candidate. that will decimate the republican vote and ensure whoever hets the democrat nomination will win hands down.
Stacey Adams is the US equivalent of Kristine Keneally.
It seems everything she enters she loses.
Mick
 

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The just vompleted mid term elections were a complete disaster for Trump.
His high profile support of Gen Dolduc, Mehmet OZ and hershel Walker both lost.
His rivals, Desantis , Abbot and Brian Kemp and Rubio all had good wins, and it is to be hoped that one of them gets the republican nod as the preferred candidate.
The only way i can see Trump running in 2024 , assuming he escapes the myriad of court cases he faces, is if he runs as purely independant candidate. that will decimate the republican vote and ensure whoever hets the democrat nomination will win hands down.
Stacey Adams is the US equivalent of Kristine Keneally.
It seems everything she enters she loses.
Mick
I'm pretty split on the whole Trump question. On the one hand I hope he runs in and wins in 2024 for the sheer entertainment value.

On the other hand I think Desantis would make the best president... Probably the best president for the last few generations.

The democrats do seem to like the cognitively diminished. Biden with his dementia, Fetterman in Pennsylvania the stroke victim, and Hobbs in Arizona who seems to struggle to piece together anything that makes any sense whatsoever.
 
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I'm pretty split on the whole Trump question. On the one hand I hope he runs in and wins in 2024 for the sheer entertainment value.

On the other hand I think Desantis would make the best president... Probably the best president for the last few generations.

The democrats do seem to like the cognitively diminished. Biden with his dementia, Fetterman in Pennsylvania the stroke victim, and Hobbs in Arizona who seems to struggle to piece together anything that makes any sense whatsoever.
its because the elected reps are only window dressing to vote the policy that is decided by the power brokers in the US.
And its no great difference between dems and gops in that respect.
Mick
 

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Massive risk to Australia if Trump gets up.

Pacific Islands would likely become be China's.

Foreign policy wise Desantis is an unknown.
 
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The democrats do seem to like the cognitively diminished. Biden with his dementia, Fetterman in Pennsylvania the stroke victim, and Hobbs in Arizona who seems to struggle to piece together anything that makes any sense whatsoever.
Nah . Actually they would probably accept a 6 day old tuna sandwich that had been left in the sun in preference to the lying Trump sycophants who parroted the big election lies of their puppet master.

Realistically the Republician candidates who faired best were the (relatively) moderate coherant ones who wern't hand picked by Trump to follow his line. That's voters choice for you.
 

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Nah . Actually they would probably accept a 6 day old tuna sandwich that had been left in the sun in preference to the lying Trump sycophants who parroted the big election lies of their puppet master.

Realistically the Republician candidates who faired best were the (relatively) moderate coherant ones who wern't hand picked by Trump to follow his line. That's voters choice for you.
Meanwhile, democrats not only vote in stroke victims and float him out as a possible presidential candidate, they also vote in dead people.

Anyway, I do believe we have a new god emperor, so a brand-new mental incapacity for leftists - Desantis Derangement Syndrome :laugh:
 
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