Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[McLovin]

The White Australia Policy ?

Yeah, then we can go back to talking about the ill temper of the Celt and how they are given to alcoholism, and worry about the papists growing influence.

 

[luutzu]

Resource allocation and identity are the two key issues in xenophobia.

A country made up of multiple races is fine, but this always tends to degenerate into multi-culturalism. It doesn't matter if you're in the most cosmopolitan, egalitarian, free-thinking, left wing part of New York - people mix with their own almost always. It doesn't have to be this way, but just observe because it's very plain to see.

So the modern way appears to be "BYO culture and reject the local culture", and that includes language, special dress, religion, food and activities. The more competing cultures you have, the less resources there are for everyone. Because under Australian law all cultures, religions and creeds are equal. So it's a matter of dividing and dividing until resources dwindle. Catering for 50 different languages and cultural activities and standards/norms/expectations and laws (in the case of some Muslims) is unworkable.

Then there's national identity and the sense of community and belonging.

What's the answer?

The Solution, as McIrish would say, is Imperialism. There's the Final Solution, but let's not go there.

Serious though, I think Class and "social standing" are more prevalent than culture or ethnicity. The only similarities between rich and poor people, of any race, is that they all hate poor people. There are exceptions, but it's rare.

 

[luutzu]

A multitude of problems were avoided by having that policy - that's undeniable - but it's not a mature solution. People like a bit of a mix, but they don't want to lose Australian identity or have resources directed into non-Australian cultural directives that are vastly different to ours.

If a local council has $1 mill to spend on a sporting complex, will they update the football/netball courts or build a badminton and table tennis centre? When Chinese outnumber Australians, have a guess what happens. This is one tiny example of how resource allocation gets put under ever increasing stress by multi-culturalism.

Culture and national identity is a living thing. It changes. If it doesn't, Australia would still be full of convicts and Aborigines.

But since the forefathers were farsighted when they set up the Constitution, Australian culture will be protected no matter the demographic changes. That is, power and privilege will always remain in the hands of the few rich elite; everyone else will get the crumbs - regardless of colour, food and deity preferences.

This is done through the lawful process of the elite picking what candidate to put to the plebs. Most candidate have been brought up right and will know what to say and what to do; those accidental heroes will either get in line or be replaced, or string along for amusement.


Regarding sport stadiums... I know a bunch of Asian and brown people and for some reason they just love football and cricket. Even brought their kids along to the games.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah, then we can go back to talking about the ill temper of the Celt and how they are given to alcoholism, and worry about the papists growing influence.

As George Munster observed about NY... the new arrivals work hard at breaking down barriers in front of them; and just as quickly rebuild barriers behind them.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

As George Munster observed about NY... the new arrivals work hard at breaking down barriers in front of them; and just as quickly rebuild barriers behind them.

Interesting quote, (and disturbing and honest). Explains all the Mexicans who voted for Trump. None of the media leftists figured on that happening. They'd prefer to blame Trump's win on "uneducated, angry white males with missing teeth, spittoons and girlfriends called Darlene" - what they would call "trash". The Lefties like to fool themselves and pretend that everyone is equal... except for the trash people of middle America who are subhuman.

 

[luutzu]

Interesting quote, (and disturbing and honest). Explains all the Mexicans who voted for Trump. None of the media leftists figured on that happening. They'd prefer to blame Trump's win on "uneducated, angry white males with missing teeth, spittoons and girlfriends called Darlene" - what they would call "trash". The Lefties like to fool themselves and pretend that everyone is equal... except for the trash people of middle America who are subhuman.

A lot of so-called Lefties aren't really left, they're just latte sipping a holes. And yea, they're very wrong about why people voted for Trump.

From what the Clinton supporters and DNC have been saying post the election - from Obama way on down - their reasons for Clinton's lost have nothing to do with their bs policies that's screwing over every working American, Left Right and Centre.

Obama put it to Clinton not going out there often enough to talk to people and give people a chance to hear her policies. Man... they've heard it, for some freaking 30 years, and ain't buying it. So it's just a matter of election strategies, not much about policies and actual doing things for people.

Then there's that blaming of Trump's supporter for being racists and stupid. Sure some of them are a bit of both, but it's not like the Clinton supporters are all informed - they wouldn't support her if they were informed; and wouldn't vote for her just because she's a woman either.

But yea, a lot of those who vote for Trump are ones that got screwed bigly by both parties over the decades; and they are hoping that Trump is that outsider who could work his magic on the country.

So far, judging by his picks for office, it's the same old crap - with a lot more naked military rage and disdain for the common folks.

But it might work out well since it would wake the heck out of the people hearing Trump's plans. But then the media will work their gloss and so we might all be screwed.

 

[McLovin]

Interesting quote, (and disturbing and honest). Explains all the Mexicans who voted for Trump. None of the media leftists figured on that happening. They'd prefer to blame Trump's win on "uneducated, angry white males with missing teeth, spittoons and girlfriends called Darlene" - what they would call "trash". The Lefties like to fool themselves and pretend that everyone is equal... except for the trash people of middle America who are subhuman.

I didn't realise Mexicans could vote.

The Hispanics (stupid name btw, unless we call Chief Sitting Bull "English") are either poor, brown and deeply Catholic or wealthy, white Cubans who hate anything that could be called "socialist". Hillary supports abortion, closer relations with Castro, gay marriage, higher taxes etc. It's not really surprising they don't fawn over her.

 

[luutzu]

I didn't realise Mexicans could vote.

The Hispanics (stupid name btw, unless we call Chief Sitting Bull "English") are either poor, brown and deeply Catholic or wealthy, white Cubans who hate anything that could be called "socialist". Hillary supports abortion, closer relations with Castro, gay marriage, higher taxes etc. It's not really surprising they don't fawn over her.

There are White Cubans? Oh yea, thirsty Rubio and ugly face what's his name.

Sitting Bull would be call Hienglish if Indian weren't already used. But yea, that's a bit farked up to call them Hispanics. I guess it's to remind them that they were once owned.

Not sure why the Filipino don't change their country's name. Why would you want to be named after Phillippe II?

But why would anyone who hate Socialism not like Hillary?

 

[McLovin]

There are White Cubans? Oh yea, thirsty Rubio and ugly face what's his name.

Depending on where you are in Latin America it can range from 95% indian in Bolivia, to 95% white in Argentina. Wherever you are though, the rule of thumb is the more white you are the wealthier you are. That's why you don't see any whites jumping the border at El Paso.

But why would anyone who hate Socialism not like Hillary?

Democrats are seen, rightly or wrongly, as the party of big spending, high taxing government. Obama reaching out to Cuba, which has been seen as doing deals with the government to get American companies access to Cuba, did Clinton zero favours.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Boeing shares took a small hit. I'm very much in favour of Trump calling them out on the cost of the new presidential jet. As a savvy businessman, he knows roughly what it should cost and he knows they are "doing a number".

Businesses do this constantly - try one on, push the envelope. They do it out of greed, and also because they know so many customers will just pay up, especially big organizations where nothing is checked. "A billion over budget? Oh, that's a lot but we were told it might go a bit over. Ok, just pay them". Gillard style.

In this move, he's showing that financial screwing won't be tolerated. Not in the US and not abroad. I like it. GS and others will be quaking in their boots. Accountability? On Wall St?

 

[McLovin]

Boeing shares took a small hit. I'm very much in favour of Trump calling them out on the cost of the new presidential jet. As a savvy businessman, he knows roughly what it should cost and he knows they are "doing a number".

Why would a property developer from NY have any idea what a 747 military conversion costs?

In this move, he's showing that financial screwing won't be tolerated. Not in the US and not abroad. I like it. GS and others will be quaking in their boots. Accountability? On Wall St?

His treasury secretary spent 17 years at GS, and the current GS president is up for a position in Trump's team.

What does this move show?

Answer: The average attention span of Trump die hard is shorter than a goldfish, so they probably won't remember.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Why would a property developer from NY have any idea what a 747 military conversion costs?

I knew you'd chime in with some smart ar.se comment - that being your specialty.

You think someone like Trump wouldn't have a list of contacts, one of whom would know an aeronautical design engineer? You think he wouldn't have access to that information, either directly or indirectly? Get real.

 

[CanOz]

I knew you'd chime in with some smart ar.se comment - that being your specialty.

You think someone like Trump wouldn't have a list of contacts, one of whom would know an aeronautical design engineer? You think he wouldn't have access to that information, either directly or indirectly? Get real.

Actually I was hoping mclovin would chime in....seems the only one left with any unbiased sense on this forum....

 

[SirRumpole]

Actually I was hoping mclovin would chime in....seems the only one left with any unbiased sense on this forum....

Apart from yourself of course ?

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Actually I was hoping mclovin would chime in....seems the only one left with any unbiased sense on this forum....

Would you approve of him shelling out 4 billion for a new jet if it's only worth say 2 bill? I mean, it's only money. Not like it couldn't be put to better use.

A couple of new medical centres? A bridge? .... nah, let's just have the jet.

He spends 10's of millions of his own money on a campaign, he refuses to be paid for the job. If that doesn't spell commitment to his country, I don't know what does.

 

[McLovin]

I knew you'd chime in with some smart ar.se comment - that being your specialty.

You think someone like Trump wouldn't have a list of contacts, one of whom would know an aeronautical design engineer? You think he wouldn't have access to that information, either directly or indirectly? Get real.

The aircraft flies, you don't need an aeronautical engineer to tell you that. The list price for two of them is $700m. The extra cost is all the secret stuff that Trump and his Rolaxdex would have no idea about.

Two billion dollars per aircraft doesn't seem that far fetched. It's not like they're making 50 of them. Whatever the development costs are they have to be spread over two jets.

 

[Knobby22]

Looking forward to this Trump Presidency. He has already attacked a few US companies and he just loves mouthing off. Should be great fun to watch.

He loves tweeting stuff once his advisors have gone to bed. I think after 2 years of that some of those guys will have massive bags under the eyes.

With regard the aircraft, what about protection from EMF pulse, there is probably some additional armour plating underneath and some pretty high tech scrambling gear if someone shoots a missile at it? Also I bet it comes with leather seats

 

[SirRumpole]

He spends 10's of millions of his own money on a campaign, he refuses to be paid for the job. If that doesn't spell commitment to his country, I don't know what does.

Let's just see how much $$$ in government contracts goes to his company which of course he will have no control over while he's President but will have when he's not.

 

[CanOz]

There's a doco on airforce one on you tube, it's well documented that the aircraft are very customized and fit for purpose. He's grand standing....likely someone forgot to tell him he's won the election...

GB, what have you got to say regarding the GS hires?

 

[CanOz]

Apart from yourself of course ?

Yes, apart from me.