Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[Tisme]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch in terms of the effect of Trump on Australia.



So what f....ing benefit to us is the US - Australia FTA if the US has a "considerable surplus". Are we stupid or what ?

It's Australia not the US that should be renegotiating.

Look to Brexit and SE Asia for salvation. Indonesia will be the 4th biggest economy in 35 years and hungry for beef, wheat and baby formula. Asia will be 54% of Global GDP by 2050. UK will still be in the top 10 too.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

I think the "rest of the world" is going to be quite surprised by what happens in the US. Trump is going to make the US wealthy and powerful again, and I doubt he'll even give the r.o.w. much consideration. You don't get rich by wondering what everyone else is up to, and whether it's ok to speak plainly and honestly.

I'd like to bet he doesn't leave US shores for at least 12 months, and even then probably only to briefly visit western Europe. I think the US role as "world police" just ended today.

The UN will have to pull its socks up, big time. A lot of pressure is coming its way and it's about bloody time.

Hopefully, 2nd and 3rd world nations will wake up to the realization that they have to look after themselves, which will cause those populations to pressure their governments for transparency, fairness and good policy. If the UN supports them, [instead of being gutless and ineffectual], maybe it can happen.

 

[luutzu]

Absolutely incredibly incompetent Democrats to let Trump win. It should never have happened had the Democrats looked after their constituency, ie the working class. Too much sucking up to Wall Street, and the big corporations.

Imagine if Shorten had said banking deregulation was good, he would have been murdered at the last election.

Sanders may well have done better than Clinton.

Sanders would have won.

Serve the DNC and Hillary right for rigging the primaries and just practically laughed it off. I mean, the head of the DNC was caught rigging the election for Hillary and have to resigned, but was immediately made some senior advisor in the Clinton campaign. Then the lady who fed Clinton questions to cheat on the second debate was put in place as the new DNC chair... then they all blame Russia and point at how horrible Trump is.

Interesting times ahead.

 

[luutzu]

Meanwhile, back at the ranch in terms of the effect of Trump on Australia.



So what f....ing benefit to us is the US - Australia FTA if the US has a "considerable surplus". Are we stupid or what ?

It's Australia not the US that should be renegotiating.

You do know that Australia is a client, a vassal state, to Uncle Sam right?

Pretty much like how we were to Mother Britannia.

So what buffoon the US elected as its leader, ours must kowtow on over and kiss the ring. Else go the way of Whitlam and other radical leaders who sometime forgot their place in the order of things.

 

[SirRumpole]

I think the US role as "world police" just ended today.

I doubt that. Even if Trump doesn't think it's the US's role to police the world, the military will be wary of erosion of US influence in Asia and the Middle East, especially wrt China and Russia, plus the increasing threat of terrorism.

Once Trump gets into the job, I'm sure the realities of global politics will be made clear to him. He has stuff all experience in international affairs right now.

 

[luutzu]

my opinion too wsptrawler, and I believe welcome if it kick the anthill and let democracy works again, in the US and elsewhere

Trump will be great for the US. Not because of his policies and what not, but because he's so incompetent and up himself the entire curtain will be pulled wide open.

When you see the media doing what they've been doing; then see an idiot like president Trump mouthing off his nonsense - simply stating facts in all its ugliness...

So maybe soon they'd get to see how the sausages are made and decides whether they'd want to keep on eating it.

Trump is like honest labelling.

 

[luutzu]

I doubt that. Even if Trump doesn't think it's the US's role to police the world, the military will be wary of erosion of US influence in Asia and the Middle East, especially wrt China and Russia, plus the increasing threat of terrorism.

Once Trump gets into the job, I'm sure the realities of global politics will be made clear to him. He has stuff all experience in international affairs right now.

Yea, don't think it'll change much. Maybe he'll play nicer with Russia since Putin did put him in office, ha ha. Can't believe the Clinton campaign thought that kind of stuff still work.

Heard some Chinese historian was quoted as saying that in the US, you can change political parties but not policy. And US foreign policy has always been, particularly since WW2, to be the sole global superpower. Hence the looming confrontation with Russia and China we will all have the pleasure of participating in over the coming decade.

 

[sptrawler]

Iuutzu, your last two posts were spot on.

It's just a protest vote, nothing much will change, but it is a wake up call for lazy establishment.

 

[luutzu]

Iuutzu, your last two posts were spot on.

It's just a protest vote, nothing much will change, but it is a wake up call for lazy establishment.

All my posts are spot on Homer

Yea, nothing much will change. But hopefully Trump and the establishment will smarten up a bit and not be like the Democrats smart move of offering diddly when it's pretty clear the plebs demand a few crumbs more.

Seems that the people are sick of being offered new figureheads to vote for every few years. You can only play that kind of game for so long before people smarten up about being shafted.

 

[noco]

The people of the US have spoken...They have had enough of the corrupt socialist left and this should be a wake up call to all Australians.

We need a Donald Trump to replace jelly Mally who is too weak to stand up to left dominated media...The left wing media who controls people's mind with their Socialistic propaganda.

I don't think it will be Pauline but somebody like Cory Bernardi who is a true conservative and prepared to speak his mind....Maybe.....Just maybe he may be the one to turn things around for Australia.

Both major parties are losing ground for not taking action on important issues.

 

[luutzu]

The people of the US have spoken...They have had enough of the corrupt socialist left and this should be a wake up call to all Australians.

We need a Donald Trump to replace jelly Mally who is too weak to stand up to left dominated media...The left wing media who controls people's mind with their Socialistic propaganda.

I don't think it will be Pauline but somebody like Cory Bernardi who is a true conservative and prepared to speak his mind....Maybe.....Just maybe he may be the one to turn things around for Australia.

Both major parties are losing ground for not taking action on important issues.

The US hasn't been socialist since FDR's New Deal, medicare, social security, banking regulation etc. etc.

What the yanks are saying today is they've had enough of whatever it is that their "representatives" have been feeding them. And it ain't socialism.

 

[noco]

The US hasn't been socialist since FDR's New Deal, medicare, social security, banking regulation etc. etc.

What the yanks are saying today is they've had enough of whatever it is that their "representatives" have been feeding them. And it ain't socialism.

If it ain't Socialism Luu, then why was Gillard always sucking up to Obama and why was Bill Shorten backing Hillary Clinton ?

Obama and Clinton are certainly not conservatives......Clinton's lies have come home to haunt her.

 

[sptrawler]

All my posts are spot on Homer

Yea, nothing much will change. But hopefully Trump and the establishment will smarten up a bit and not be like the Democrats smart move of offering diddly when it's pretty clear the plebs demand a few crumbs more.

Seems that the people are sick of being offered new figureheads to vote for every few years. You can only play that kind of game for so long before people smarten up about being shafted.

Absolutely, politicians have to understand, plebs still have to believe effort is rewarded.
Currently the intake of economic refugees worldwide, is causing a massive labour shift, which is eroding living standards.
People would much prefer giving aid to countries, to help build their economies, the problem is who said they want to build their economies? Much easier to relocate to an established country.
The politicians like the idea because it puts downward pressure on established wages and upward demand on services, which the Government taxes. Win Win
The only losers are the working class, who pay the taxes to support the welfare, but they are the cannon fodder.
Unfortunately they are rebelling in the only way they can, quietly at the polling booth, if they do it in public they are ridiculed by the media.

 

[sptrawler]

The US hasn't been socialist since FDR's New Deal, medicare, social security, banking regulation etc. etc.

What the yanks are saying today is they've had enough of whatever it is that their "representatives" have been feeding them. And it ain't socialism.

You are right, it isn't socialism, but it is a case of the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer.

The common denominator is, the working class are paying for it, as is happening in U.K, Europe and Australia.

The GFC was a scam perpetrated by the U.S financial institutions, they made huge profits, which cost the working class of the World a massive drop in living standards.

Peoples savings, jobs and livelihoods were lost, the repercussions are still being felt.

Nothing has changed and people are fed up. The U.S fat cats are still there laughing at everyone.

So what do the people do, bring in the clowns, you treat us like fools, we might as well vote accordingly.

 

[McLovin]

Trump is going to make the US wealthy and powerful again, and I doubt he'll even give the r.o.w. much consideration.

How do you make the only superpower and the richest country the Earth has ever known wealthy and powerful again?

 

[sptrawler]

I see Kim Beazely hasn't lost his ability to talk, and say nothing.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/33158782/pressure-will-mount-on-aust-beazley/#page1

The ex-Labor leader is predicting there will be a lot of unhappy people in the United States to whom Mr Trump will have to reach out.

"But that's their problem, not ours," he told ABC's 7.30 program on Wednesday night.

"Our problem is with what he intends to do in the area of foreign policy and great pressure is about to come on us."
Some of his initiatives would seriously disturb people, leaving Australia to play some form of mitigating role in the southeast Asian region.

"They'll come to us privately and want to hear from us privately on what we intend to do about it," he said.

"We're going to really have to sit down and think through how we handle our responsibilities because running away is not an option."

He said government ministers should turn up in greater numbers in the US and get themselves into senior policy decision-making zones.


WOW, that is a deep and far reaching analysis, hope they didn't pay much for it.
I think Bill Shorten, handled it better, put it out there.lol

 

[sptrawler]

How do you make the only superpower and the richest country the Earth has ever known wealthy and powerful again?

Buy a Jeep.

 

[aa07]

Wasn't Hillary ahead in the polls, nearly the entire race? What happened? Were the polls inaccurate or something?

 

[moXJO]

You have to give the guy credit.
He defied the odds and proved everyone wrong. I don't think anyone thought he could do it.

 

[sptrawler]

Wasn't Hillary ahead in the polls, nearly the entire race? What happened? Were the polls inaccurate or something?

No the pollsters contacted the people who supported Clinton, the silent majority don't bother answering surveys, they are too busy working.