Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[SirRumpole]

Kennedy, Clinton, Trump, Nixon whoever, their behaviour just proves that power corrupts and needs to be checked.

Putin probably carries on the same way, but no one dares question his behaviour.

 

[Knobby22]

Nope. I'd appreciate if you'd take your aggression out on a more appropriate target. Or even better, don't attack anyone at all. If you'd read my previous posts before flying off the handle you'd get an idea of my view on Trump.

Sorry. I had been reading an article about what he did to this young couple. Touched her up, reneged on contract. I was a bit strong. I know you don't condone his behaviour.

 

[wayneL]

I guess now this will have cut the second worst option for the US out of the race, in favour of the worst option.

The US is ####ed, and we're ####ed by proxy.

 

[wayneL]

I guess now this will have cut the second worst option for the US out of the race, in favour of the worst option.

The US is ####ed, and we're ####ed by proxy.

Actually, Bernie was the most catastrophically worst option, but he's out of it.

 

[Tisme]

It's like deja vu two elections ago here. Anyone remember the Americans aghast at our Prime Minister's mouth in gear, brain in neutral embarrassments?

John McLean would probably poll better than the two, perhaps Bruce Willis will run?

 

[luutzu]

Did I say anywhere that she has or would? She isn't the one running around yelling about "making America great again".

All politician run around saying the exact same thing, just different wording, different "vision". Clinton is no exception.

 

[explod]

Found the debate interesting, Trump possessed a lot more content that will ring for voters. And the following excerpt from Zero Hedge today could arm him for an interesting contest ahead. A pri.k he might be but he's not going to give in.

Hillary’s War in Syria is another expensive American adventure in nation building as the US inserts itself into the Syrian Civil War ostensibly to restrain the United States’ sworn enemy ISIS (or “ISIL” as the Obama Admin. prefers). Obama’s manner of fighting this war consistently shows a different objective ”” regime change. While that’s clear to everyone, Wikileaks’ exposure of Hillary Clinton’s emails makes it clear that US intrusion in the Syrian Civil War is really all about Iran and Israel.

Both the US and Russia want to defeat ISIS, but only the US wants to make sure Syria’s President Bashar Assad is overthrown. The United State’s ulterior motive of regime change is the reason for the stalemate last week between Russia and the United States that resulted in a significant move back to cold-war status. I think everyone has generally observed that the US-Russian disagreement is not about how to fight ISIS but about regime change in Syria. What many might not know yet is how last week’s eruption goes back to Hillary Clinton during her time as Secretary of State.



Wikileaks archive of Clinton emails shows this is Hillary’s War with Syria


The Syrian Civil War began in 2011 ”” the middle of Hillary Clinton’s term as US Secretary of State. Unmarked NATO war planes began arriving in Turkey that same year, delivering weapons absconded from Libya where America participated in another war for regime change. The planes also transported volunteer Libyan soldiers. (In my view, a mission clearly outside of NATO’s charter, which was to form an alliance under which all members would fight to protect any individual member if it was attacked, not to transform the world. No one in Syria was attacking any NATO member.) By December of 2011, the CIA and US special ops also began providing communication support to Syrian forces seeking to topple Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

Having advised President Obama to enter the Libyan Civil War, Hillary Clinton assured the press at the start of the Syrian Civil War that the United States would not similarly involve itself in that conflict. However, some documents exposed recently by Wikileaks show that Hillary’s advice to the president to enter the US into Libya’s Civil War came with a clear and intentional connection to topple the Assad regime:

In one document labeled “CONFIDENTIAL,” Sidney Blumenthal, a former aide to President Bill Clinton and long-time confidante to Hillary Clinton, wrote the following to Hillary:



Assad’ s gestures at reform are delusional attempts to recreate the pattern of his own recent past when he gained a modicum of respect from the West. Likely the most important event that could alter the Syrian equation would be the fall of Qaddafi, providing an example of a successful rebellion. (Wikileaks

 

[Logique]

Thought The Donald did better in Debate 2. He got the biggest audience cheers.

Even or slightly ahead, and might have won clearly - except for that prowling tiger, too many cups of coffee thing, undoubtedly a big turn-off for the women viewers. Just sit down Donald. We'll hear plenty more about that on the ABC and in Fairfax.

 

[luutzu]

Thought The Donald did better in Debate 2. He got the biggest audience cheers.

Even or slightly ahead, and might have won clearly - except for that prowling tiger, too many cups of coffee thing, undoubtedly a big turn-off for the women viewers. Just sit down Donald. We'll hear plenty more about that on the ABC and in Fairfax.

Saw bits and pieces but it looks like he did much better than the first round. When he mentioned the women bill had affairs with or raped; or the then 12 year old rape victim whose rapist Hillary defended, and how she laughed at the rape victim then.... wooo... I think her face went all red.

Very low tactic, but then again, it's not like Hillary's campaign played nice and took the high road.

Not sure if it's a smart move on Hillary's campaign to be playing this kind of gutter politics against the orange ape though. And her pretending all surprised about the leaks of him being his a hole self in private... Don't go there, those who like him will like him; those who would be turned off by his bs wouldn't be waiting until now to dislike him.

I'm surprised this thing is still a contest. But it is.

 

[basilio]

Does anyone remember The Art of the Deal This was Donald Trumps book of the 80's that stamped him as a clever, driven businessman.

In fact it was ghost written by journalist Tony Schwartz. How he came to pitch andwrite the book, what he discovered about Donald Trump in the process, how he constructed a warmer, wittier man makes a great read.

Check it out

Donald Trump’s Ghostwriter Tells All
“The Art of the Deal” made America see Trump as a charmer with an unfailing knack for business. Tony Schwartz helped create that myth””and regrets it.
By Jane Mayer
“I put lipstick on a pig,” Tony Schwartz, the ghostwriter, says. He feels “deep remorse.”

Last June, as dusk fell outside Tony Schwartz’s sprawling house, on a leafy back road in Riverdale, New York, he pulled out his laptop and caught up with the day’s big news: Donald J. Trump had declared his candidacy for President. As Schwartz watched a video of the speech, he began to feel personally implicated.

Trump, facing a crowd that had gathered in the lobby of Trump Tower, on Fifth Avenue, laid out his qualifications, saying, “We need a leader that wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ” If that was so, Schwartz thought, then he, not Trump, should be running. Schwartz dashed off a tweet: “Many thanks Donald Trump for suggesting I run for President, based on the fact that I wrote ‘The Art of the Deal.’ ”

Schwartz had ghostwritten Trump’s 1987 breakthrough memoir, earning a joint byline on the cover, half of the book’s five-hundred-thousand-dollar advance, and half of the royalties. The book was a phenomenal success, spending forty-eight weeks on the Times best-seller list, thirteen of them at No. 1. More than a million copies have been bought, generating several million dollars in royalties. The book expanded Trump’s renown far beyond New York City, making him an emblem of the successful tycoon. Edward Kosner, the former editor and publisher of New York, where Schwartz worked as a writer at the time, says, “Tony created Trump. He’s Dr. Frankenstein.”

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

 

[luutzu]

Does anyone remember The Art of the Deal This was Donald Trumps book of the 80's that stamped him as a clever, driven businessman.

In fact it was ghost written by journalist Tony Schwartz. How he came to pitch andwrite the book, what he discovered about Donald Trump in the process, how he constructed a warmer, wittier man makes a great read.

Check it out



http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/07/25/donald-trumps-ghostwriter-tells-all

I actually bought the book - used for $5.95. Yea, I was young and stupid.

I don't remember it painting a very good picture of him though. Sure he brag about stuff, but his first run into NY real estate and business starts with a lie - about how awesome he is. Then there's the trick he pulled on investors by having bulldozers moving dirt around to show investors he's busy building and it's working great... then his pride in saying how the US tax code allow depreciation expenses when he doesn't spend a dime fixing his buildings but still get to deduct that expense and pay no tax.

 

[SirRumpole]

I actually bought the book - used for $5.95. Yea, I was young and stupid.

I don't remember it painting a very good picture of him though. Sure he brag about stuff, but his first run into NY real estate and business starts with a lie - about how awesome he is. Then there's the trick he pulled on investors by having bulldozers moving dirt around to show investors he's busy building and it's working great... then his pride in saying how the US tax code allow depreciation expenses when he doesn't spend a dime fixing his buildings but still get to deduct that expense and pay no tax.

How good a businessman is he if he made a $900 million loss ?

 

[qldfrog]

How good a businessman is he if he made a $900 million loss ?

In all this Trump bashing, I really wish i could be as bad a business man as Trump, even a 1% of his "failed business" would be great for me.
We should also use a mirror sometimes:
"his pride in saying how the US tax code allow depreciation expenses when he doesn't spend a dime fixing his buildings but still get to deduct that expense and pay no tax."

Every IP owner can/should used the ATO legal depreciation schedule which is exactly what he states in the above:
It is a shame isn't it but even better in Australia, you can claim depreciation AND claim any repair you would actually do...

 

[luutzu]

In all this Trump bashing, I really wish i could be as bad a business man as Trump, even a 1% of his "failed business" would be great for me.
We should also use a mirror sometimes:
"his pride in saying how the US tax code allow depreciation expenses when he doesn't spend a dime fixing his buildings but still get to deduct that expense and pay no tax."

Every IP owner can/should used the ATO legal depreciation schedule which is exactly what he states in the above:
It is a shame isn't it but even better in Australia, you can claim depreciation AND claim any repair you would actually do...

Depreciation is a real expense - just the company and its management can choose to claim it but defer the fixing and maintenance expense. But it will come.

So for Trump to say that it's just an accounting thing... well he doesn't really look after his property or just doesn't know business.

Say you rent out a property. You can claim this and that expense over whatever years the ATO allows you; can claim immediate repairs that's needed on top... then does diddly with the place. But buildings do deteriorate and wears out.

I think that's why there are slump landlords renting out unsafe properties. Like Trump.

 

[luutzu]

How good a businessman is he if he made a $900 million loss ?

Trump loss more than that over his career. Lucky for him he loss other people's money, and some of that loss goes directly into his pocket.

I think he goes bankrupt about 6 times. The good thing about the tax codes there is, it seem, they let rich corporate types like him off when they declare bankruptcy. No one can touch his other assets.

His own father bailed him out at least once; and he inherited about $50m from the old man's estate. Some report last year said that if you have $50m when Trump did and just put it into an index fund, you'd be just as rich as Trump - without any effort.

He's a good salesman, got a big loud mouth on him. But he's still better than the Clintons in that, at least with him, he make his money in the market where investors can be taken advantaged off, I guess. The Clintons got some $2billion+ in their "charity" foundation, got hundreds of millions for speaking and book deals... all from knowing how to leverage their position as political leaders.

In other words, the Clinton sell out the American public to corporate interests - maybe even foreign interests - while they ought to be protecting and serving the people. Trump is just a business man out for himself.. .can't fault the guy for being an amoral a hole for that.

 

[basilio]

Well Luutzu "The Art of The Deal " was the well spruced up, sanitized version of Donald Trump. If you thought it still smelt what was the real story ?
__________________________________________________ ___________________

John Oliver did a number on Donald Trump and the Republican Party over the open mike comments he made on Friday. Spectacularly incisive and spares no one in the process.

'This is on you': John Oliver ridicules
Republicans over Trump groping tape

The Last Week Tonight host called the taped comments ‘entirely in character’ for the businessman, condemning Paul Ryan and Billy Bush in the process


Nigel M Smith
@nigelmfs

Tuesday 11 October 2016 04.51 AEDT
Last modified on Tuesday 11 October 2016 08.04 AEDT

John Oliver once again offered a searing critique of Donald Trump on Last Week Tonight – not for his performance during the second, restive presidential debate (he taped the show prior to its live airing), but for the Republican nominee’s vulgar comments about women that threaten to derail his campaign.

“Yes, that is audio of Donald Trump in 2005 telling a giggling Billy Bush that one of the perks of fame is that he can grab women’s genitalia without permission,” Oliver said after playing the 2005 recording of the billionaire business man bragging about attempting to “****” married women. “Since [last week], we have sunk so low we are breaking through the earth’s crust where drowning in boiling magma will come as sweet, sweet relief.”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...n-oliver-trump-groping-tape-last-week-tonight

 

[basilio]

Luutzu you have made a number of comments that suggest the Clinton Foundation is somehow corrupt or a sell out to foreign interests ? I'm not sure what information you are using or what exactly you are saying but I thought this analysis from an organisation that analyses philanthropic bodies was useful.

What the Heck Does the Clinton Foundation Actually DO?
Author David Callahan

The Clinton Foundation is back in the spotlight, with Donald Trump charging this month that the “Russians, the Saudis, the Chinese all gave money to Bill and Hillary and got favorable treatment in return." A range of other critics have piled on, including the Capital Research Center, which calls the foundation a “cauldron of conflict and cronyism.”

There are lots of good reasons for digging into the Clinton Foundation right now. But one question that gets surprisingly little attention is the most basic: What does this place actually do?

http://www.insidephilanthropy.com/h...-does-the-clinton-foundation-actually-do.html

Other analysis of Clinton Foundation
http://insidephilanthropy.squarespa...k-at-the-wsjs-clueless-attack-on-the-cli.html

 

[luutzu]

Luutzu you have made a number of comments that suggest the Clinton Foundation is somehow corrupt or a sell out to foreign interests ? I'm not sure what information you are using or what exactly you are saying but I thought this analysis from an organisation that analyses philanthropic bodies was useful.



http://www.insidephilanthropy.com/h...-does-the-clinton-foundation-actually-do.html

Other analysis of Clinton Foundation
http://insidephilanthropy.squarespa...k-at-the-wsjs-clueless-attack-on-the-cli.html

Pretty weren't suggesting. But saying they're corrupt.

I think they spent around 10 to 20% of the donation a year on charity and other programmes. The rest they kept for future urgent programmes?

One of the above articles say people just don't understand how modern charitable foundation works. Yea, OK.

My parents and in-laws are relatively poor people with a few dollars to spare, but they sure know how to change lives every year, on a monthly basis. And they don't have all the conventions and hundreds of millions to do it.

Giving money away is very easy. If you'd want to.


That and no politician should make or have access to some $2B dollars from their political work and not be doing any donors any favour. It just doesn't work that way.

How many other senior politicians have the kind of contributions the Clintons has? None.

Why? Because once they're out of office, they're of no use to the charitable hearts of corporations and dictators. Why the Clintons get all them cash? Because Bill and Hill tag team... he was president, she then became Senator, Sec of State, and now the likely president.


People who are kind and charitable... when they are in power and can literally change hundreds of millions of lives with a few meetings and hard words... the world they'd leave behind after office is very different to the ones the Clintons left behind.

 

[luutzu]

Well Luutzu "The Art of The Deal " was the well spruced up, sanitized version of Donald Trump. If you thought it still smelt what was the real story ?
__________________________________________________ ___________________

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I can't remember much. There's no scandal or anything in it, of course. Just the typical retelling of his exploits and awesomeness.

He admire and love his father; he learn a few things about building skyscrapers in NY and there's such a thing as air-rights. He built the ice ring very effectively while the gov't, as usual, screw things up and his awesomeness just click his fingers and it's done.

But yea, the US and the world is not in a good place if he's president. Well, it won't be in any better place if Clinton is president either. But maybe with Clinton, if enough popular movement and protests rise up enough, she might not crack all their heads and call them terrorists and Latinos to be deported. She might even tell her donors to give the people some crumbs.

The Donald will go all martial on protestors hinnies.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

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