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More to note about what Donald Trump wants to see happen if he is Prezz.

Donald Trump pledges to curb press freedom through libel laws

The Republican frontrunner has cast a pall over the first amendment by vowing to ‘open up our libel laws’ to punish publication of ‘purposely negative stories’
Donald Trump wants to change the US libel laws so that ‘when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them’.

Ben Jacobs
@Bencjacobs

Saturday 27 February 2016 07.44 AEDT


Donald Trump has pledged to change the libel laws in a way that could undermine the first amendment and the freedom of the press.

Speaking at a rally in Fort Worth, Texas, on Friday, shortly after accepting an endorsement from New Jersey governor Chris Christie, Trump pledged if elected president to “open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative stories … we can sue them and make lots of money”.

This move, he said, would mean that “when the New York Times or the Washington Post writes a hit piece, we can sue them”.

Since the American revolution, freedom of the press has been a key principle in American public life, with truth long established as an absolute defense to any accusation of libel.

The first amendment states that “Congress shall make no law … abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press”. It is a foundation stone of democracy in the United States.

This was most recently asserted by the supreme court in 1964, in a unanimous decision in New York Times v Sullivan. The court held that any public figure suing for libel must prove that a defamatory statement was made with actual malice, “with knowledge that it was false or with reckless disregard of whether it was false or not”.

Trump seems intent on making US libel law more like the far more oppressive free-speech laws in the UK. There, the burden is on the defendant to prove the truth of every statement made. A plaintiff does not need to show any actual harm.

In the US, the burden is on the plaintiff. Under New York Times v Sullivan, a plaintiff must show actual malice as well.

Asked on Friday if the candidate thought the supreme court case had been decided wrongly, the Trump campaign did not immediately respond.

A Trump administration could appoint supreme court justices pledged to undermine the first amendment. However, it is unlikely that any credible judge or legal scholar would endorse Trump’s views on the freedom of the press.

Trump has long had a tortured relationship with the media. Although he goes out of his way to seek publicity, he calls reporters out at his rallies, often by name, as “dishonest”.

He also has defended dictators like Vladimir Putin from accusations of killing journalists, saying there is no proof. Russia has one of the least free presses in the world. According to politifact.com, at least 34 journalists have been killed there since 2000.
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http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...curb-press-freedom-libel-laws-first-amendment
 
Perhaps the first person who can be charged with libel should be Donald Trump. Check this out

Donald Trump commits libel, then deletes it, THEN doubles down on it.
This is what we call a 'teachable moment.'

By: Moe Lane (Diary) | February 3rd, 2016 at 10:00 AM | 18

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Recent Presidential front-runner* Donald Trump made the mistake of committing actual libel this morning. Specifically, he accused current Presidential front-runner Ted Cruz of illegally tampering with the Iowa caucus results. Here’s the screencap of the Tweet in question:
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http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2016/02/03/donald-trump-conspiracy-theories-ted-cruz-libel/
 
I love watching Planet America.

On Firday they had a shocking stack.

Sonce 1920 the average ordinary poor USA male citizen has managed to live an extra two years.
The average rich male 19 years!!!

Hey if you can't afford to be treated you die. No wonder people are voting for Trump and Sanders.
Sanders wants to set up a Medicare systeem like Australia's... what a socialist!!
 
wayneL said:
Yeah free everything...YEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!
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Saw some interview a week ago where the guy who initially wrote a tax bill that Bernie Sander now took onboard to fund his free tuition. And it seem like it could be paid for.

The tax would be on financial transaction/trading. It'll add something like 20% on the current transaction fee, or maybe a dollar or two per transaction.

This small amount will, after the estimated decline in financial trading, would bring in around $300Billion a year. So not only could it pay for a less-burdened generation of student who might, because they do not owe up to some $150K plus market interest rate, may opt to do something useful with their career and life rather than any job that pay the highest... and it reduces financial speculation, encourage investing rather than trading etc.

So of course it's not feasible.
 
Knobby22 said:
I love watching Planet America.

On Firday they had a shocking stack.

Sonce 1920 the average ordinary poor USA male citizen has managed to live an extra two years.
The average rich male 19 years!!!

Hey if you can't afford to be treated you die. No wonder people are voting for Trump and Sanders.
Sanders wants to set up a Medicare systeem like Australia's... what a socialist!!
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Saw a recent Robert Reich YouTube blog where he said the current US system is one that basically hope and pray and then do a lot of things so that you do not get sick, at all, ever. So they all hope you don't get sick... but if you do, God help you.

From Chomsky, he said the US pay twice the per capita expense but receive the worst care in the developed economies. Wow.

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A few years ago my father had a medical emergency while on holiday in VN. After seeing how a medical system that put money first really operate, I swear I just don't know how any "private"' system like the one in the US help anyone but the drug and medical industry. Any politician that think otherwise either have no clue, brain dead or is completely bought off.

Having read that Time expose' on the US medical system a few years back, it really shocked me how much similar that is to VN's screwed up system.

First, if you have no money, you pay up until you can't pay anymore and then you get kicked out when bills can't be paid or when you're about to die. Dying in the hospital is bad for their statistics, so they send you home a day or two before you die.

If you have money, the doctor and the hospital will keep you there - even if they can't treat you, have no doctor in the are who can treat you, have no equipment to treat you... they will not release you but keep you on fluid and on ice if they have to until you're about to die then they send you packing... but you got to pay first.

But if you're lucky enough to afford the bills, man the charge for every single item. It goes down to the last band aid. And often, they miscount and of course jack up the price a few times its market price, and order all the x-ray and scans you can afford; and daily blood tests for everything - three tubes a day to test.

Lucky dad pulled through - it has a lot to do with my aunty and her husband being well connected just to get him to a city hospital. But when we're in a proper hospital - it's the same "you have to stay (until you die or go broke)" mentality. I swear the only reason he managed to escape the hospital was, one, he got much better; two, it was New Year and a weekend so he have to lie, LIE, that he's all better and want some fresh air but will definitely be returning Monday for further tests and check up and see if he need to order a private Angel Flight (at $50,000 US dollars).

Lucky they were on a premium travel insurance policy... but after that, and after having to hand over brick and bricks of cash to the hospital each couple of days, I don't mind paying taxes or the medicare surcharge at all.

Shouldn't buy into these private enterprise and efficiency bs. It's just all a money grab and those who are most disadvantaged will just get further screwed. And for those who can afford it, we all pay either way - private or in taxes... better in everyway to pay it to the idiots in Canberra - they're less talented at screwing people out of care.
 
It won't stop at healthcare, Grasshopper (Which I agree needs a total rethink in the US.... good luck with that.)

You missed the free >>>>everything<<<<. There will have to be nothing short of revolutionary change in US culture and economy for the US welfare state to be a reality, then it can be a western has been state like the rest of us.

Know any Mandarin?
 
Anyway, a colleague of mine has crunched the numbers.

Bernie cannot beat Hillary, she will be Dem candidate.

Trump or Cruz cannot beat Hillary, should either win the nom.

Only Rubio can beat Hillary, but it would be very close.

That's the maths as it stands.

So basically we can fret about Hillary, rather than the Don or Bernie.
 
wayneL said:
It won't stop at healthcare, Grasshopper (Which I agree needs a total rethink in the US.... good luck with that.)
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Exactly , "good luck with that..." no wonder the populace are so angry. They want change but they have to fight vested interests, some of the richest people in the world.
 
luutzu said:
Lucky they were on a premium travel insurance policy... but after that, and after having to hand over brick and bricks of cash to the hospital each couple of days, I don't mind paying taxes or the medicare surcharge at all.

Shouldn't buy into these private enterprise and efficiency bs. It's just all a money grab and those who are most disadvantaged will just get further screwed. And for those who can afford it, we all pay either way - private or in taxes... better in everyway to pay it to the idiots in Canberra - they're less talented at screwing people out of care.
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Me too, fully agree. It is interesting to note that the so called "best countries to live" or the "happiest countries to live" nearly always are the ones that have a state funded health scheme. USA is not one one of them.

I couldn't/wouldn't ever live in the USA and a national health system where everybody can get the best health care is my main reason.
 
Knobby22 said:
Exactly , "good luck with that..." no wonder the populace are so angry. They want change but they have to fight vested interests, some of the richest people in the world.
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If so, why are they about to vote in an arch establishment candidate in Hilarious Clinton?
 
wayneL said:
If so, why are they about to vote in an arch establishment candidate in Hilarious Clinton?
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Or Donald Thump. He is also anti establishment but in a more simple way.

Because too many think they can't make a difference by voting, but you can smell the anger half a world away and unless it is addressed it will just keep building up.

I listened to Radio Nationals Rear Vision show which was on Bernie and its pretty amazing how he has risen. He wasn't a Democrat at all until very recently. in his State he gets votes over 70% which is unheard of ...worth a listen.

http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/rearvision/bernie-sanders/7188516
 
Il Duce 1925 / Il Douche 2015.

The latest Trumpism to emerge from the wreck of Americas political mayhem.
@ilduce2016: “It is better to live one day as a lion than 100 years as a sheep.” – @realDonaldTrump #MakeAmericaGreatAgain"
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Great stuff . The Great trump quoting the Great Il Duce.

Maybe, maybe not.

Turns out he was expertly pranked by Gawker who had set up a special twitter account under the heading of Il Duce sprouting all sorts of great comments but attributing them to Donald Trump. Donald of course thought these were great and decided to quote them himself. After all it made him look good.

How We Fooled Donald Trump Into Retweeting Benito Mussolini

Is Donald Trump a fascist? Experts, historians, and pundits have debated the question for months. One thing has been certain for a while now: He tweets like one. That’s why, last year, Gawker’s Ashley Feinberg created a Twitter bot that would post quotes from the writings and speeches of the Italian fascist dictator Benito Mussolini, but with all of them attributed to businessman and Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump. This morning, he retweeted that account.

......Last year, we set a trap for Trump. We came up with the idea for that Mussolini bot under the assumption that Trump would retweet just about anything, no matter how dubious or vile the source, as long as it sounded like praise for himself. (It helps that that a number of Mussolini’s quotes sound plausibly like lines from Trump’s myriad books.) The account, @ilduce2016, was created by Gawker senior writer Ashley Feinberg and Gawker Media Editorial Labs director Adam Pash. It has tweeted solely at Donald Trump, multiple times a day, since December 2015.

Our Fascist bot was anything but subtle. It was, after all, directly named after Mussolini. The New York Times today swiftly recognized that it was a parody account. At the time of the account’s creation, Gawker Media Executive Editor John Cook expressed some concern that the joke behind the account was far too obvious, and wouldn’t trick anyone but a complete idiot.

Today, Donald Trump proved him—and all of us—right.
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http://gawker.com/how-we-fooled-donald-trump-into-retweeting-benito-musso-1761795039
 
Just an off the wall thought bas, and in no way an endorsement of their ideology, but how do you think, we would view Mussolini quotes, or indeed Hitler, if they had won?
 
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