Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[basilio]

Another reminder of how crazy, venal and downright dangerous Drumph will be for US.

His policy to to just take Iraq oil as "spoils of war " and "repaying ourselves" is still on the table. How dangerous is this proposal?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2016/09/16/trumps-take-the-oil-madness/

Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'

Strategy of taking oil in Iraq and from areas controlled by Isis presents huge issues from almost every angle and ‘would amount to a war crime’, experts say
Donald Trump: ‘You heard me, I would take the oil. I would not leave Iraq and let Iran take the oil.’

Julian Borger World affairs editor

Wednesday 21 September 2016 20.00 AEST
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One of the recurring themes of Donald Trump’s national security strategy is his plan to “take the oil” in Iraq and from areas controlled by Islamic State (Isis) extremists. It would drain Isis’s coffers and reimburse the US for the costs of its military commitments in the Middle East, the candidate insists.

At a forum hosted by NBC on 7 September, Trump suggested oil seizure would have been a way to pay for the Iraq war, saying: “We go in, we spend $3tn, we lose thousands and thousands of lives, and then … what happens is we get nothing. You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils.”

He added: “One of the benefits we would have had if we took the oil is Isis would not have been able to take oil and use that oil to fuel themselves.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/donald-trump-iraq-war-oil-strategy-seizure-isis

 

[basilio]

What happened to other politicians who stole from charity foundations they were running ?

Well worth seeing what happens to other Democrat and Republican politicians who dipped into charity funds.

Trump Faces Allegations Over Charity That Forced Other Politicians To Resign
If Trump were a normal candidate, he'd be facing harsh penalties.

......Normal candidates have resigned from office and pleaded guilty to charges stemming from similar games with charities that Trump has played. Some have gone to prison. If recent campaign history holds, Trump will move on from this to his next momentary scandal.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com.au/20...orced-other-politicia/?utm_hp_ref=au-homepage

 

[Knobby22]

I have been reading about that charity. Unbelievable and dishonest behavior. But nothing seems to stick.
He rigged a golf tournament so he wouldn't have to pay out and when he was caught and taken to court, played out from his charity which he has not donated personally to since 1989!

Even when he tells the truth he lies.
Like when he said Obama was born in the USA and it was Hilary that created the lie and he was the one that found out the truth.

No one can say what his policies are, yet I think we may be looking at the next US President.

 

[explod]

Another reminder of how crazy, venal and downright dangerous Drumph will be for US.

His policy to to just take Iraq oil as "spoils of war " and "repaying ourselves" is still on the table. How dangerous is this proposal?

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/markaz/2016/09/16/trumps-take-the-oil-madness/




https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/donald-trump-iraq-war-oil-strategy-seizure-isis

Trump is just a product of the capitalist American pathway. Reap as you sow.

The idea was established when the US entered Iraq in the first place.

Looks like that road train destroyed in Syria was from a US drone.
Todays Zero Hedge with a pretty good account in my view.

 

[luutzu]

Just to remind us all of how brazenly Drumpf rewrites history as a world class liar check out his performance last week.

...

Trump is one of those psychotic liars that would say whatever would sell, would get him out of being caught in a lie. Facts and history and what he have said... none of that matter. Just incredible. He'd make a good politician for sure though.

Saw a video of Clinton caught on tape having a sort of epileptic fit - one of those Steddy Eddy moment she blames on her ice Chai Tea. With the recent crossed-eyes and 911 collapse, her admitted concussion and blood clot two years ago... her health is not just conspiracy theory. I mean it's fine if she's disabled or have an illness that affect other organs than the brain and nervous system - Parkinson's or Alzheimer is something else for a president.

But health issue aside, she's not winning any votes by shouting at people... blaming them for not working hard enough to help tell the truth about Trump.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

So far Trump is thrashing Clinton in the debate... even with his hyperbole and half-completed sentences.

Hilary just got a solid punch in - Trump's financial/tax status.

 

[Wysiwyg]

Hilary just got a solid punch in - Trump's financial/tax status.

Yes a good gob smack. He is a liar and a thief. Add to that a compulsive exaggerator with a long list of generalisations.

 

[McLovin]

That was the most nonsensical "debate" I've ever seen. Hilary didn't even need to turn up, Trump did a number on himself.

 

[CanOz]

and this is what we have to look for in global leadership....

Trump is a loud mouthed idiot that will bring back the typical American stereotype...

 

[luutzu]

If Trump was less about himself, he would have won that debate. There were so many openings Clinton left open and were just asking to be pummelled. But Trump kept on and on about himself and how he's awesome or someone think he's this and that.

e.g. She accused him of being for the Iraq war. Just say yea, I believed our politicians and thought Iraq was a threat. Turn out it wasn't. But you, Clinton, voted for it.

Or her emails and his tax returns. 33,000 "private" emails she deleted. At least the gov't know what's in Trump's tax returns, only the Russian or the Chinese and god knows who know what's in those emails. So for her to talk about cyber security and Russian hacking, or about Trump having something to hide... that's a bit rich.

Or locking up way too many coloured kids for non-violent crimes. She say "we've" done too much harm by doing that, that's not helping "heal" the nation blah blah... yea well, you and your husband signed that three-strike rule that lock them up and privatise prisons for profits corporations.

Or her bs about how trickle down economics doesn't work. Yea, since the past 30 years... her husband and herself as senator have not being responsible for that kind of deregulation, free market, trade deal trickle down that now suddenly doesn't work and is a terrible idea that Trump is trying to follow.

Not that I want Trump to win, just it's incredible the bs I hear from both of them.

Though he did put in a few zingers... bad experience, 30 years of trying to fix the thing and it hasn't gotten anywhere.

Clinton just can't help herself being smug though. That's not going to change people's mind about her.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

That was the most nonsensical "debate" I've ever seen. Hilary didn't even need to turn up, Trump did a number on himself.

I thought he made some good points:

- bring manufacturing back to the States with supportive policies/tax breaks
- higher taxes on imported goods
- any country who wants US military protection should be required to pay for it

Not so keen on:

- lower taxes for the rich
- promotion of trickle down economic policies

What did you like/not like from each of them?

 

[Wysiwyg]

Clinton just can't help herself being smug though.

Yeah saw her smart azz grin whenever Frump exposed his own low intelligence. Shows how popularity is more important than wisdom and intelligence. That could be to attract the majority of dumbos that don't know the difference.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Yeah saw her smart azz grin whenever Frump exposed his own low intelligence. Shows how popularity is more important than wisdom and intelligence. That could be to attract the majority of dumbos that don't know the difference.

I was actually thinking she had a very pleasant and open smile.

The juxtaposition between candidates is huge though, isn't it? If only Hillary had Trump's ability to make stuff happen and get stuff done. Not saying I'd ever vote for him, but that aspect of his personality is very persuasive.

I used to value intelligence highly, but not so much nowadays (I've read too many papers by 'experts' and professors which are total crud). I rank wisdom, creativity and ability far head of intelligence. Trump appears to have ability, also appears to lack wisdom and creativity.

 

[McLovin]

I thought he made some good points:

- bring manufacturing back to the States with supportive policies/tax breaks
- higher taxes on imported goods

American productivity and automation has killed off multiples more American manufacturing jobs than China or Mexico ever did. Short of going back to the hammer and anvil it's pie in the sky stuff to think America could ever employ the same number of people in manufacturing that it did 40 or so years ago.

He never mentions the corollary of higher taxes on imported goods, and I think more than a few of his supporters can't join the dots...

- any country who wants US military protection should be required to pay for it

America gets a huge benefit from being the global hegemon. If it closes its bases in Japan and South Korea there will be an arms race between two of America's biggest trading partners and foreign creditors. The loser ends up being America.

- lower taxes for the rich
- promotion of trickle down economic policies

He's really just lining his own pockets with those.

So yeah, all around he's a great populist and I'm sure he plays well in flyover country, but he's a disaster waiting to happen.

 

[Tisme]

Since the mid 1800's, US presidents have had good runs if they have a friend in the incumbent British Prime Minister.

 

[luutzu]

Yeah saw her smart azz grin whenever Frump exposed his own low intelligence. Shows how popularity is more important than wisdom and intelligence. That could be to attract the majority of dumbos that don't know the difference.

Clinton is smart, not sure about her having wisdom though.

She's very dishonest. Just as dishonest as Trump. Though being smarter, she express it better. Hide her lies better.

Trump is petty. He just want to make money, make himself feel all important by picking on weak people personally.

Clinton is bigger than that. She destroy entire generations without flinching - and call it "tough and hard choices" that must be done for the greater good.

In politics, it seem to be bad form to mock "fat" beauty queen and not pay your sub-contractors. But to threaten nuclear annihilation on an entire country, to call war criminals friends, to love and support racist regimes while kicking the poor and lost people... that's "presidential", statesman stuff.

As Machiavelli advised, you gotta know how to do evil well. You gotta know how to appear pious and good. You know, sending heart and prayers on the one hand; on the other there's drones, carpet bombers and all them arsenal of democracy.

Okey, rant over.

 

[Logique]

Debate round 2 on Monday noon AEDST.

Trump card: Donald’s polls defy Hillary’s ‘win’

Miranda Devine, The Daily Telegraph - September 28, 2016
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/bl...n/news-story/3544c070cc2465d97d44324c37b62fde

...The mainstream media for the most part mistook Hillary Clinton’s smug, catty needling of him as poise and command, and awarded her the win.

CNN declared her victory “overwhelming” at 62 per cent.

“Donald Trump’s debate performance shows he has no business being president,” sneered the Sydney Morning Herald..

..Just as with Pauline Hanson and, to a lesser extent, John Howard and Tony Abbott, the more the Establishment demonises Trump, the stronger he becomes..

..it will be a giant middle finger to the smug establishment whose awfulness was embodied in Clinton’s chipmunk grin yesterday as her cheap shots hit home...

 

[basilio]

Well who would have thunk it? That revolting, abusive, brain dead, disrespectful bag of ****e that is currently the Republican nominee for President has repeatedly made lewd, tacky observations about women in the past and, guess what, they were on video, audio, TV, cable and wherever else the loadmouth vomited.

And it's all coming out to let people know exactly what type of creature they are considering for one of the highest offices in the world. Now of course everyone is reviewing the thousnads of interview Rumph has done to pick out similar sentiments.

Really want to see Miranda Devines take on Drumphs run of the mill behaviour. She seems to think he is somehow an acceptable alternative to Hilary Clinton.

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Donald Trump forced to apologise as sex boast tape horrifies Republicans

Party and rivals condemn candidate over 2005 recording bragging about being able to grope women because of his fame
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Donald Trump’s sex boasts: ‘When you are a star they let you do anything’

Ben Jacobs and Sabrina Siddiqui in Washington

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Donald Trump has been forced to apologise after a storm of condemnation and disavowals by fellow Republicans and opponents alike over obscene boasts about using his fame to sexually prey on women.

Trump’s presidential campaign was plunged into crisis on Friday when a tape recording from 2005 emerged in which he brags to a TV host that when approaching beautiful women he can “grab them by the pussy” and kiss and grope them because he is a star.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans

Donald Trump to Howard Stern: It's okay to call my daughter a 'piece of ass'

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/08/politics/trump-on-howard-stern/

 

[moXJO]

Well who would have thunk it? That revolting, abusive, brain dead, disrespectful bag of ****e that is currently the Republican nominee for President has repeatedly made lewd, tacky observations about women in the past and, guess what, they were on video, audio, TV, cable and wherever else the loadmouth vomited.

And it's all coming out to let people know exactly what type of creature they are considering for one of the highest offices in the world. Now of course everyone is reviewing the thousnads of interview Rumph has done to pick out similar sentiments.

Really want to see Miranda Devines take on Drumphs run of the mill behaviour. She seems to think he is somehow an acceptable alternative to Hilary Clinton.

p

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...ology-as-sex-boast-tape-horrifies-republicans

Shows how bad Hillary is regarded over there for the polls to be so close in previous weeks.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Basilio, you think Bill Clinton wouldn't talk like that? I'd bet all American Presidents have talked like that at some point in their lives.