Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

[DB008]

U.S. Media - Manipulation

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[luutzu]

U.S. media is brain-dead....

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I doubt the interviewer could go on "for hours" discussing real stuff with Cohen.

It's a strange world where Trump is actually making more sense than practically all the political leaders in the US.

Clinton is paving, further adding to, the way where her administration will see Russia and Putin as an adversary. Having two nuclear powered going at it will not end well for anyone!

It's insane. To deflect attention from the Wikileak that the DNC is working with the media (both are supposed to be neutral) to screw over another candidate; to deflect the leak showing that most billionaires donates to both Clinton and the RNC... Clinton blame Russia and Trump.

Yea, Russia hack your server; Trump took advantage and urge them to keep at it... Did they frame your corruption? Did Trump put national security at risk by setting up private, hardly secured email server and transmit classified info on it?

So now that Russia is "backing" Trump, is said by Clinton to be an adversary... Will Putin and Clinton shake hand and make peace? Hardly.

 

[Knobby22]

U.S. Media - Manipulation

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Really? I would call it reporting.
Trump is very thin skinned. He could have handled this a lot better. His ignorance is a little bit scary.

 

[basilio]

Observations on Donald Trumps trashing of Captain Humayun Khan’s family

Asked during an ABC News interview to comment on the criticisms leveled by Khan, whose wife, Ghazala, stood silent by his side during his speech, Trump insinuated that she was “not allowed” to speak because of her religion.

“She chose not to speak because she gets too upset when she sees images of her dead son’s face, you xxcking asshole,” Oliver said to the camera.

Regarding Trump’s boasts that he too has made sacrifices, by running a business, employing “tens of thousands of people” and building structures, Oliver said: “No, they are absolutely not [sacrifices].

“They are self-serving half-truths from a self-serving half-man who has somehow convinced half the country that sacrifice is the same thing as success.”

“Honestly,” he added, “the main takeaway from these two weeks is that, incredibly, we may be on the brink of electing such a damaged, sociopathic narcissist, that the simple presidential duty of comforting the families of fallen soldiers may actually be beyond his capabilities – and I genuinely did not think that was a part of the job that someone could be bad at.”

https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...liver-rips-narcissist-donald-trump-khizr-khan

 

[basilio]

Did you know that Captain Humayun Khan’s family are part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that Captain Humayan himself was a closet jihidist who had wormed his way into the US military ?

If that is news to you you havn't been following the right news sources.

Two of Trump's close advisers, Roger Stone and Al Baldasaro, have been tweeting an article from a fringe Islamaphobic website that claims Khan is a Muslim Brotherhood agent who wants to impose Islamic law in the US and that his son was a Muslim martyr who died in a suicide bomb attack "before his Islamist mission was accomplished".

Rest of the story is good reading as well

Donald Trump suffers self-inflicted wounds by his attacks on the Khan family

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/wor...tacks-on-the-khan-family-20160801-gqit2c.html

 

[basilio]

Even Herald Sun is carrying the story on Donald Trumps attacks on Captain Humayun Khan’s family

McCain takes aim at Trump for attacking Khan family
Charlotte Willis and wires, news.com.au

A FAMILY in the United States is at the centre of a dispute with Donald Trump that has the nation ”” and the world ”” talking.

So outrageous are Trump’s comments over the Khan family, US Senator John McCain has come out swinging against the Republican presidential candidate, blasting him for his attack on the parents of the Muslim US Army officer killed in the Iraq war.

In a scathing and lengthy statement issued Monday, the Arizona Republican waded into the dispute between his party’s controversial nominee and Khizr and Ghazala Khan, whose son, Army Captain Humayun Khan, was killed by a bomb in Iraq in 2004.

“While our Party has bestowed upon him the nomination, it is not accompanied by unfettered licence to defame those who are the best among us,” wrote McCain, who was a prisoner of war for more than five years during the Vietnam War.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/busines...y/news-story/3c2c885a49f66ee1bff21d81d6ea465c

 

[basilio]

Where can Donald Trump take the US ?

Was looking at the rise of the Nazi Party and Adolf Hitler in Germany. Some interesting parallels to today.

During 1931 and into 1932, Germany's political crisis deepened. In March 1932 Hitler ran for President against the incumbent President Paul von Hindenburg, polling 30.1% in the first round and 36.8% in the second against Hindenburg's 49 and 53%. By now the SA had 400,000 members, and its running street battles with the SPD and Communist paramilitaries (who also fought each other) reduced some German cities to combat zones. Paradoxically, although the Nazis were among the main instigators of this disorder, part of Hitler's appeal to a frightened and demoralised middle class was his promise to restore law and order. Overt antisemitism was played down in official Nazi rhetoric, but was never far from the surface.

Germans voted for Hitler primarily because of his promises to revive the economy (by unspecified means), to restore German greatness and overturn the Treaty of Versailles, and to save Germany from communism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

 

[Logique]

Basilio, I'm sensing some hostility to Donald Trump

 

[basilio]

Basilio, I'm sensing some hostility to Donald Trump

Astute Logique. Very perceptive on your part. Almost telepathetic ..

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Yep I think he is a really dangerous piece of work. What concerns me far more are the numbers of people who either refuse to see what sort of person he is or accept it and still decide they would like to see him President.

After all Adolf Hitler obtained the largest number of votes in Germany in 1932. Trouble was there were no more elections afterwards because he passed the Enabling Act.

The votes that the Nazis received in the 1932 elections established the Nazi Party as the largest parliamentary faction of the Weimar Republic government. Adolf Hitler was appointed as Chancellor of Germany on 30 January 1933.

The Reichstag fire on 27 February 1933 gave Hitler a pretext for suppressing his political opponents. The following day, 28 February, he persuaded Reich's President Paul von Hindenburg to issue the Reichstag Fire Decree, which suspended most civil liberties. The NSDAP won the parliamentary election on 5 March 1933 with 43.9 percent of votes, but failed to win an absolute majority. After the election, hundreds of thousands of new members joined the party for opportunistic reasons, most of them civil servants and white-collar workers. They were nicknamed the Märzgefallenen ("March victims"). To protect the party from too many non-ideological turncoats who were viewed by the so-called "old fighters" (alte Kämpfer) with some mistrust,[72] the party issued a freeze on admissions that remained in force from May 1933 to 1937.[73]

On 23 March, the parliament passed the Enabling Act of 1933, which gave the cabinet the right to enact laws without the consent of parliament. In effect, this gave Hitler dictatorial powers

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

 

[Knobby22]

He's not an Adolf. You are drawing a long bow
basilio. I am sure you that.

 

[Tisme]

Simpsons

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-the-simpsons-scathe-donald-trump-in-campaign-ad-w431846?utm_content=inf_11_2720_2&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=tseaug2016&tse_id=INF_24d578f0581b11e6afb1e131ecb9c0be

 

[basilio]

He's not an Adolf. You are drawing a long bow
basilio. I am sure you that.

He certainly isn't Knobby. But that doesn't make him and his potential Presidency an exceptionally problematical situation.

I did think it was interesting to note the stark similarities of their election platforms. "Make Germany/America great" "Improve the economy" "Law and Order " Same hot buttons. I also thought that the democratic process which brought Hitler to power was worth re-visiting.

Germany was a literate and cultured country in the 1930's. Still managed to vote in the most ruthless dictator of the 20th Century.

 

[basilio]

Simpsons

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/watch-the-simpsons-scathe-donald-trump-in-campaign-ad-w431846?utm_content=inf_11_2720_2&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=tseaug2016&tse_id=INF_24d578f0581b11e6afb1e131ecb9c0be

Skewered.....

 

[wayneL]

So what you are saying bas, is that you'd prefer a Stalinist totalitarianism under Hilarious Clinton, rather than a Trumpesque Idiocracy?

(FWIW I reckon jackboots and goosestepping is far more likely under Clinton:

 

[wayneL]

So what you are saying bas, is that you'd prefer a Stalinist totalitarianism under Hilarious Clinton, rather than a Trumpesque Idiocracy?

(FWIW I reckon jackboots and goosestepping is far more likely under Clinton:

 

[Knobby22]

Idiocracy, lol.
A new form of Government, soon to be possibly trialed.

(forgot George W Bush, been there done that)

 

[wayneL]

Idiocracy, lol.
A new form of Government, soon to be possibly trialed.

(forgot George W Bush, been there done that)

New?

 

[luutzu]

He certainly isn't Knobby. But that doesn't make him and his potential Presidency an exceptionally problematical situation.

I did think it was interesting to note the stark similarities of their election platforms. "Make Germany/America great" "Improve the economy" "Law and Order " Same hot buttons. I also thought that the democratic process which brought Hitler to power was worth re-visiting.

Germany was a literate and cultured country in the 1930's. Still managed to vote in the most ruthless dictator of the 20th Century.

When it come to world conquest and other civilising missions, it's always the advanced, literate and "cultured" countries you got to worry about. True story.

There are some exceptions, but not many. The US might not be too cultured given its MTV, Hollywood, "news" - newsertainment?, and a high percentage of people who seriously believe in the literal Bible stories.


But yea, while Trump is not at a Hitler level of psychosis, the current political climate there does seem to be setting the scene for one. Let's hope they smarten up real quick and not take us all down with them.

But judging by recent news headlines... hmmmm.... not so sure about that.

There's Libya escalation reported today; US is accused by Erdogan (or people in his gov't) of being involved in the recent coup; Turkey is moving closer towards Russia after the coup

At home, the plebs have very low favourability of their Congress, and more than half loathe the other party's two presidential candidate... and the captains of industries are milking the taxpayers like there's no tomorrow.

A lot like Germany before total disaster.

 

[luutzu]

So what you are saying bas, is that you'd prefer a Stalinist totalitarianism under Hilarious Clinton, rather than a Trumpesque Idiocracy?

(FWIW I reckon jackboots and goosestepping is far more likely under Clinton:

Don't know much about Stalin, but that Man of Steel seem like a dude that get his things done his way - or else!

Clinton and Trump are just corporate puppets with fancy titles and will do what they're told.

 

[basilio]

So what you are saying bas, is that you'd prefer a Stalinist totalitarianism under Hilarious Clinton, rather than a Trumpesque Idiocracy?

(FWIW I reckon jackboots and goosestepping is far more likely under Clinton:

Ah that is so , SO special. A Wayne LLLLLLLLLLLLL super special .

Complete crackpot lunacy.

Total and utter disregard of reality in favour of blind prejudice and total incapacity to recognise how utterly stupid you are.

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But wait. No. That surely can't be the case can it ? I mean no sane person on this earth who can read could look at the behaviour of Hilary Clinton and see a Stalinist totalitarian ?

And conversely no sane person could look at Donald Trump ruthlessly trashing blacks. Muslims, Latinos, war veterans, women, The European Union, (anyone else ? ) and not realise this is some seriously dangerous person to have as President of the most powerful country on earth.

Yep. I have to be imagining this conversation. It is truly impossible to believe that even Wayne L could be such a complete crackpot. He has to be just winding us up in his usual inimitable fashion.

Doesn't he ?