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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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You can DO things, whether those things are good is another matter.

People have criticised his handling of hurricane relief, and a lot of his other actions are up for debate as to whether they are beneficial and to whom.
 
Go WayneL, bring some facts into an emotional agreement about personalities rather than achievements.

At least he is changing the status quo, as the status quo has done jack **** for the dying empire of the USA
 
I agree with Wayne.
Trump was a needed stepping stone to break the cycle. I still think Hillary would be worse in the long run.
 
Another US Senator will retire from office rather than be seen to continue Republican support for Donald Trump. What does he see wrong with Donald Trumps Presidency ?

GOP Senator Jeff Flake attacks 'reckless, outrageous and undignified' Trump
The Arizona senator joined a list of high-profile Republicans, including Bob Corker, who have opted to retire amid the turmoil of Donald Trump’s presidency


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Wednesday 25 October 2017 09.01 BST First published on Tuesday 24 October 2017 21.01 BST

Arizona senator Jeff Flake has launched an extraordinary attack against Donald Trump and the “complicity” of the Republican party as he announced his decision to leave the Senate.

Flake, a key Republican critic of Trump, said he was retiring at the end of his term in 2018 because there was no room for him in the party under the current president’s stewardship. He then delivered an emotional appeal from the Senate floor against the state of affairs under Trump, bemoaning that his Republican colleagues had “given in or given up on core principles in favor of a more viscerally satisfying anger and resentment”.


Jeff Flake: conservatives face a crisis. We must now tell and expect the truth
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“It is time for our complicity and our accommodation for the unacceptable to end,” Flake said. “There are times when we must risk our careers in favor of our principles. Now is such a time.


“We must never allow ourselves to lapse into thinking that that is just the way things are now,” he added. “We must stop pretending that the degradation of our politics and the conduct of some in our executive branch are normal.”


“Reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior has become excused and countenanced as ‘telling it like it is’ when it is actually just reckless, outrageous, and undignified.”

He said such behavior was “dangerous to our democracy” and projected not strength but a “corruption of the spirit”. He then asked his colleagues: “When the next generation asks us: ‘Why didn’t you do something? Why didn’t you speak up? What are we going to say?’”

Flake joins a list of high-profile Republicans who have jumped ship in recent months amid the turmoil of Trump’s presidency. Bob Corker, the chairman of the Senate foreign relations committee, declared his retirement last month and has since been locked in a bitter feud with Trump that reached new heights on Tuesday.
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The alliances and agreements that ensure the stability of the entire world are routinely threatened by the level of thought that goes into 140 characters,” Flake said. “Would we Republicans meekly accept such behavior on display from dominant Democrats? Of course we wouldn’t. And we would be wrong if we did.”

“When we remain silent and fail to act ... because of political considerations, because we might make enemies, because we might alienate the base,” he added, “we dishonor our principles and forsake our obligations.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/24/jeff-flake-retire-republican-senate-trump
 
I still prefer this piece of crap over the other piece of crap.

My beef didn't appear as Trump ad president did....I had my opinion of him for over a decade. At one time I devoured business books faster than I now do children's books. About 15 years ago I read an unauthorized biography on the blond a$$hole. I'll try and find the author and title...but it was long and scathing. In a nutshell he widely know to be a self centered, ignorant, silver spoon fed...
Amateur golfer at best.
 
Conscience of a Conservative.


Jeff Flake: conservatives face a crisis. We must now tell and expect the truth
Donald Trump assuaged the public with happy talk, but once the populist fever abates, truth must fill that void, argues Arizona Republican senator Jeff Flake in an excerpt from his new book

‘It is a testament to just how far we fell in 2016 that to resist the fever and stand up for conservatism seemed a radical act.’
Photograph: Ralph Freso/Getty Images

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Monday 7 August 2017 22.14 BST Last modified on Tuesday 8 August 2017 16.51 BST

There is no bigger bogeyman for conservatives than some liberal who wants to interfere in the market to “pick winners and losers”. We have long been critical of the corruptions of the free market advocated by “progressives” and crony capitalists, and we’ve gotten a lot of mileage out of that “winners and losers” line.

Until 2016, that is.

As Emerson said: “An institution is the lengthened shadow of one man.” I will add to that: of no institution is this more true than the American presidency.

Impulsive and lacking a coherent economic analysis, Trump moved beyond the election attempting to demonstrate his vaunted deal-making abilities. He promptly began to commit Hayek’s fatal conceit, but with a twist that not even Hayek himself could have imagined: the new president would not merely demonstrate a preference for specific sectors of the economy, he would meddle in the economy by advocating for – or conversely, by intimidating – specific companies.

To conservatives, this is the essence of crony capitalism. For the conservative, the role of government is to create a conducive tax and regulatory environment and let the free market prosper. But if a president is incoherently intervening wherever he or she sees fit, it can only lead to bad things. Trump would go on to propose the worst kind of uneconomic “deals” with the coal miners who so ardently supported him and believed his promises about the resurgence of an industry long in decline, but their old jobs really weren’t coming back.

Virtually every public utility in the country had already made the market decision to move away from coal. Obama administration environmental regulations had certainly hastened these market changes, but abundant and cleaner natural gas was a larger culprit. One irony was that the most sustainable coal jobs involved coal for export – to trade with China.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/08/conservative-republican-jeff-flake-donald-trump

 
I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....
 
I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....
Well, yes indeed
 
I doeagree with moxjo Wayne and satenopera that change was needed...but why such a f&&$wit?? They could have had ross perot or "insert any other popular libertarian".....

They could have had Bernie Sanders too. I think he would have won and would have done a good job.
 
Spot on. Trump will go down as a transformative President, possibly yet one of the greats. 'Draining the swamp' and getting things done. Of course the Washington establishment are up in arms, they're being shown up!
 
I despise Trump, he is an ugly, ugly person inside and out. Huge ego and a narcissist. The man is an absolute disgrace and I cannot wait for him to be ousted. He has fuelled a new wave of hate and bigotry in the US and has divided the population, any claim of what he has 'achieved' needs to be properly fact-checked, as you can't believe anything the guy says. He uses Twitter to taunt and criticise others.....he has the top job on the planet and he uses social media to bully people. ARE YOU F*CKING KIDDING ME?? How anyone can defend that as being in any way acceptable is beyond me.
 

He can be defended. He is being defended. He will be defended.

On ASF we have a significant number of people who, despite whatever he has done, believe he is better than President Obama or Hilary Clinton.

There are millions of white supremicists in the US who see him as a 21st Century hero.

There are millions of Muslim haters who applaud his anti Muslim rhetoric and legislation.

So perhaps the question to pose is your final comment
 
They could have had Bernie Sanders too. I think he would have won and would have done a good job.

Bernie sold out soon after he lost. In the end he was nothing but talk and would have continued the BS of the US establishment.
Yes trump is a piece of crap. But he will transform politics.

Identity politics of the left is what brought the hatred in America.
 
Leftist identity politics in play. Do his supporters eat babies as well?
This kind of crap is why Trump got into power.
 
Leftist identity politics in play. Do his supporters eat babies as well?
This kind of crap is why Trump got into power.

Actually he got into power because of an electoral system that is slanted against the Democrats, because he lost the popular vote.
 
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