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Where is/can Donald Trump take US (sic)?

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Nice one Gringott. Unbelievably good.
So while we are at it perhaps a Leonard Cohen reflection on the 2016 American election ? Does it speak to you ?
 
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I take what you are saying Luutzu. If Bill Clinton was just a retired President the Clinton Foundation was a power of good.

But with Hilary Clinton still an active politician seeking Presidency the connections being made with all sorts of real and potential supporters is not right. Just too much potential for undue influence.

This includes the broader range of charitable/political institutions. The conservative side of politics has reams of orgs putting themselves in the pockets of politicians.

But at the same time Hilary is at least a competent leader. Trump isn't. I think it is a sad and desperate situation. The rich can't keep getting richer. If Hilary won't address that issue, in my view there will be a Big Bang in American politics.
 

Saw some interview before where the journalist said that Bill's speaking fees was drying up soon after he left office. But when Hillary ran for the Senate, it starts to pick up again.

Big corporations paying big bucks to hear his wisdom. Then it got bigger and more frequent once she's SOS.

I don't think any other former president earn the kind of cash Bill has after office.

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Yea, Trump is just nasty. He's incompetent in every way.

But with Trump, the public are slowly hearing the rort that's been going on more clearly. I mean, Guiliani and Chris Christies are defending Trump's tax evasion... saying it's "genius" to not pay tax and play the system.

Trump ripped Clinton for taking corporate cash and lying etc.

These aren't new, but it's never really been so publicly expressed like that. And so people might start asking whether that's the kind of thing they want to put up with.

In a democracy, that might lead to peaceful change.

With Clinton winning, they will obviously think everything's fine... and that kind of arrogance and bubble tend to result in violent civil unrest.


People want real change, and no one's delivering.
 
luutzu said:
People want real change, and no one's delivering.
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Trump was going to provide some real change but he seems to have completely rolled over.
Tax cuts to the top 1% really doesn't cut it as real change. Increasing defence spending isn't change either.
Earlier on he was saying quite different things but he has been completely got at or lost any slight vision he had.

Hillary may have the chance to achieve real change if they can stop the Republicans controlling the house. They are the real problem as they have pretty much blocked everything for 20 years (which would still happen under Trump). The best scenario for the USA is a massive Hillary win, and even though I think she is lacking somewhat, it may end up being transforming for the country as things could get done!!

She could then get kicked out at the next election with a swing the other way and the Republicans could then get things done!
 
The GOP have given up winning the presidential election and are sandbagging what they can in the congress. Some of the swings against Trump in very red states are painting a picture of a total whitewash. Before the last weekend, Clinton by my reckoning needed to only win either Florida, Pennsylvania or Ohio and she would take the White House. It looks as though she will take all three. She also has a chance of picking up Arizona, which hasn't gone blue in 20 years. The path for to the WH for Trump was very narrow and pretty much doesn't exist anymore.

Clinton will end up with around about 330 electoral college votes.
 

Does she have much chance of control of the three houses, McLovin?
 
Knobby22 said:
Does she have much chance of control of the three houses, McLovin?
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They've got a better than even money chance in the Senate, the House is a long shot though. It really just depends how much Trump bombs from here and whether the GOP can insulate themselves from him (as ridiculous as a party insulating itself from its prez candidate sounds!).

In America there is no version of the AEC and electoral boundaries are the plaything of politicians. Every state sets its own method for how it selects its electoral college voters (there is no constitutional requirement for a popular vote) and the method of voting (remember the hanging chads in 2000). Both sides have gerrymandered the hell out of the electoral districts along race/income lines for generations. As I understand, the GOP did a fair bit in 2010 which makes it even more difficult for the Dems to take back power in the House.
 

Were those prediction before or after you read the latest WikiLeaks?

People who likes Trumps or lean towards him when he said all that crazy stuff about coloured people, tax cuts for the rich... they might now change their mind because it's shown he talks dirty and brag about getting away with sexual assault because he's famous?


A few stuff I heard from WikiLeaks:

- Clinton: you need to hold two opinions - one to entertain the plebs, the other real one to do what's right for 'merka.

- You Wall St guys are the smartest; the American people just don't understand how hard and full of integrity you guys are; they've wrongfully blamed you for the GFC; people are envious of success.

- I'm out of touch. I was poor once, raised in a home where my father doesn't believe in mortgages and bankers (the type I'm talking to) so he saved up and bought the house in cash. Which is fair enough, but I'm rich now and so can't really identify with working people.

- 2013 or 14: To declare a no fly zone means taking out all of Syria's air defences; they are located in populated areas so a lot of people will get kill. (and it will also mean boots on the ground, jets in the air to enforce, taking on the Russians).... throughout 2015 to now... WE NEED A NO FLY ZONE IN SYRIA!


But for sure she will win, both the RNC and the DNC will rig this election for her.

But yea, a lot of people will hate Trump's bad manners so much they'd turn out to vote for this kind of warmongering, total disdain for the people and their welfare, all to benefit war profiteers and the already masters of the universe.
 
Knobby22 said:
Good stuff except its untrue.

Newsweek proves that WikiLeaks is leaking phony “Hillary Clinton emails” to try to hurt her
http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/ne...is-leaking-fake-hillary-clinton-emails/26271/
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not newsweek but the "daily bin"; name says it all and when they name Wikileaks as:
"international hacker terrorist group WikiLeaks "....
so far Wikileak has a pretty good record in given real documents that the Powers in place do not like and real info vs the BS we are fed by the media.
So between them and even Newsweek, i know where I believe the truth has the most chances to be.....
Sorry but yes Hillary is rotten to the core, and do not take me wrong not less or more than most other top level politicians with her power experience, Trump being a dimwit bastard should not blind people as to what the opposition is.
 
It's just a link, within it is the Newsweek article link. It is comprehensive.
 

Yea, Clinton want the public to trust her over hard copies of WikiLeak's leaks.

No wonder she was seriously asking her State dept. why they can't drone or otherwise take Assange and WikiLeaks out - permanently.

And what's all these from her about the Russian wanting Trump to win. How are the Russians bad, even if we can prove they hacked for all those emails, how? They're bad and want Trump to win because they reveal what she's really all about? What the DNC says about the people?
 
I just can't put into words how bad this election cycle is....my father would be in total disbelief...the two US political parties need to go. It's time for real change.
 
CanOz said:
I just can't put into words how bad this election cycle is....my father would be in total disbelief...the two US political parties need to go. It's time for real change.
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It's pretty awful, and as much as I dislike Clinton the thought of Trump being President actually scares me. It will have real consequences for Australia.
 
McLovin said:
It's pretty awful, and as much as I dislike Clinton the thought of Trump being President actually scares me. It will have real consequences for Australia.
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I can understand why people don't like Trump, but what is Clinton's problem ? She seems to have the experience to do the job.
 
SirRumpole said:
I can understand why people don't like Trump, but what is Clinton's problem ? She seems to have the experience to do the job.
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I really think she's a crook. A snob....out of touch with reality...I think that sort of person is just as dangerous as Trump. She didn't get wealthy being honest...she didn't get wealthy by being a good business person...she got wealthy taking money in turn for promises yet to be delivered.....that's why there is so much power backing her....she's owes them, big time.
 

By wealth do you mean the Clinton Foundation ? It seems to be a do good organisation. If it made the Clintons personally wealthy as well then that would seem to be a mis-use of money that people gave in good faith. Or maybe it's just a money laundering operation, I don't know.
 
SirRumpole said:
I can understand why people don't like Trump, but what is Clinton's problem ? She seems to have the experience to do the job.
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It's her experience that's the problem.

Selling out the masses; know who butter your bread and who are too poor to even put food on the table.
 

I think the foundation have about $2billion in asset. Reporter found they spent about 10% of each year's donation on charities.

Are the world's poor having it so good that the Clintons are finding it hard to give money away?
 
luutzu said:
I think the foundation have about $2billion in asset. Reporter found they spent about 10% of each year's donation on charities.

Are the world's poor having it so good that the Clintons are finding it hard to give money away?
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Most of the charitable donations are done in house, the 10% relates the amount given to other charities.

Asked for some examples of the work it performs itself, the Clinton Foundation listed these:
Clinton Development Initiative staff in Africa train rural farmers and help them get access to seeds, equipment and markets for their crops.
Clinton Climate Initiative staff help governments in Africa and the Caribbean region with reforestation efforts, and in island nations to help develop renewable energy projects.
Staff at the Clinton Health Access Initiative, an independent, affiliated entity, work in dozens of nations to lower the cost of HIV/AIDS medicine, scale up pediatric AIDS treatment and promote treatment of diarrhea through life-saving Zinc/ORS treatment.
Clinton Health Matters staff work with local governments and businesses in the United States to develop wellness and physical activity plans.


Don't ask about the Trump Foundation though if you don't want to see corruption in action!

I am saddened that Trump is so useless, if he had of been a great man then he would have been great for America. Clinton is essentially a conservative and nothing much will change with her.
 
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