Trump Derangement Syndrome

[basilio]

You should post proofs instead of fake news and conspiracy theories

Shirley you must be joking...!!

You get a history a mile long from investigations, trials, bankruptcy reports, investigative journalists across many media.... and it's all fake news and conspiracy theory.

Crazeee.... The Don would be truly proud of you.

 

[Tisme]

Still not an evidence based rebuttal, just a personal attack.
Names, dates and other evidence will suffice! (no emoticon, just for you).

That wasn't a personal attack, I think you're a decent type, but in so saying that it's not a good look sledging a world leader on the back of noise from a hostile public service, hostile lobbiest industry, hostile media, etc who all have their noses out of joint because Trump doesn't consult with them and conform to the established norms that had sent the USA down a slippery slope.

He let everyone know during the election that he had little regard for the Capitol establishments and I think he sees himself as Mr Smith Goes to Washington.

 

[Tisme]

Shirley you must be joking...!!

You get a history a mile long from investigations, trials, bankruptcy reports, investigative journalists across many media.... and it's all fake news and conspiracy theory.

Crazeee.... The Don would be truly proud of you.

Any more hysterical chatter left in the tank?

 

[Darc Knight]

That wasn't a personal attack, I think you're a decent type, but in so saying that it's not a good look sledging a world leader on the back of noise from a hostile public service, hostile lobbiest industry, hostile media, etc who all have their noses out of joint because Trump doesn't consult with them and conform to the established norms that had sent the USA down a slippery slope.

He let everyone know during the election that he had little regard for the Capitol establishments and I think he sees himself as Mr Smith Goes to Washington.

Come on, let's stick to the topic. Theres enough evidence on Trump out there to make him accountable

 

[Junior]

Fake News and Snowflakes everywhere!

 

[basilio]

Some internet guy expresses his conspiracy pathology by cobbling together other people's individuality crisis pieces and that somehow equates to fact. The need to be part of conspiracy theories is a pathology of people who have a need to express their desire to be seen as individualistic even though they are stuck fast in the of no consequence queue.

This what we get. It starts as a trickle, of giving people the opportunity to speak rubbish without being caned for being stupid. Then all the Mr and Mrs Stupids get onboard and like spontaneous combustion they all have a sheeple voice, a sheeple audience and a need to vandalise society and character assassinate to keep the adrenaline and the faux intellectuals engaged. It's like a disease propogating its own efficacy.

When these beige people who have no industry about them and who presumably work in govt or allied industry finally strangle the West with too much bureaucractic oversight , they will all crawl away to their natural beige habitats and grumble how we have lost that frontier, have a go spirit and entrepreneurial nous and resent the life sucking monster they created.

So this is the long story of "Its all Fake News. He done NOTHING. They are all just losers and meanies"

No point being hysterical about such a response. But the questions it raises about your capacity to view reality Tisme.....

 

[moXJO]

He was a NY developer, they were dodgy as fcuk. Business dealings with shady income sources is all you have left after bankruptcy. Its not new and its pretty common.
How long did he spend in prison guys?

On another note this is funny if true.

Someone convicted of multiple felonies whether he served his sentences or not is eligible to run for office, be elected, and serve his term. He can even serve from prison. ... A criminal conviction usually makes for some pretty good attack ads, so I doubt that a convicted felon could realistically be elected President.

 

[moXJO]

So this is the long story of "Its all Fake News. He done NOTHING. They are all just losers and meanies"

No point being hysterical about such a response. But the questions it raises about your capacity to view reality Tisme.....

Proof he rigged the election? Thats the original argument. And thats where the left get hysterical and lose sight of reality. I've no doubt he was dodgy.

If hillary is complicit, or the dems/gop, or Obama, then let em all fall. I'd rather the rot on capital hill be exposed, rather than covered up.

You can biatch and moan about trump, but he is bringing the whole lot down. Even if it is on his own head.

 

[Tisme]

So this is the long story of "Its all Fake News. He done NOTHING. They are all just losers and meanies"

No point being hysterical about such a response. But the questions it raises about your capacity to view reality Tisme.....

Blah blah blah. None of you lot can find anything to pin on Donald, because the only news source you can draw is subjective twaffle from news and social media.

Do you really think the FBI are going to listen to nutters on the internet to prove a guilt? They lack evidence and the burden of proof, otherwise they would have displayed the smoking gun by now, but that doesn't stop the ill informed public knowing better than them.

 

[Darc Knight]

 

[SirRumpole]

Blah blah blah. None of you lot can find anything to pin on Donald, because the only news source you can draw is subjective twaffle from news and social media.

We will see. If investigations find that Trump is dependent on Russia for his corporate finances then that introduces a pretty clear conflict of interest.

If they can't get him on that, then the system is broken.

 

[moXJO]

Alec Baldwin absolutely nailing trump?
I ain't that much of a fanboy.

 

[Tisme]

We will see. If investigations find that Trump is dependent on Russia for his corporate finances then that introduces a pretty clear conflict of interest.

If they can't get him on that, then the system is broken.

Then he gets the rounds and he's sent packing, Then what... Mike Pence?

With Islam on the rise and rise, the US couldn't continue being the world police anymore, so someone had to stop the bleed and redefine the boundaries.

 

[SirRumpole]

With Islam on the rise and rise, the US couldn't continue being the world police anymore, so someone had to stop the bleed and redefine the boundaries.

You do that by cooperation with your country's friends, not by alliances with your nation's enemies for the sake of your own finances.

 

[basilio]

Blah blah blah. None of you lot can find anything to pin on Donald, because the only news source you can draw is subjective twaffle from news and social media.

Do you really think the FBI are going to listen to nutters on the internet to prove a guilt? They lack evidence and the burden of proof, otherwise they would have displayed the smoking gun by now, but that doesn't stop the ill informed public knowing better than them.

You really can make up a ton of dribble can't you Tisme?
Lets try something called facts for a change.

1) Trump has a business/financial history that at the best is called "colourful" or as Moxjo so neatly noted "a New York property developer- shady as fcuk". The documentation of his creative business practices, dodgy Trump university, sham financial arrangements is on public record. Your efforts at waving these away as Fake news is risible.

2) As a part of these well documented facts there is another thread which explores the financial relations Donald Trump has with Russian tycoons. The exceptionally generous purchases of property. The big business loans. The joint development deals. Simply done as businessman these could just be sharp practice. But when you are President of the US they represent a conflict of interest that up until now would have been completely unacceptable. See Rumpys point.

3) There is a third strand which is currently under investigation by the FBI. Did the Russians actively assist Donald Trumps election and was this done with the knowledge and support of Trump and his team ? This is an ongoing investigation which Donald Trump has attempted at every point to derail, deride, deny and abuse. There is an excellent summary of the public knowledge(to date) about this investigation on Wikipedia. When all the dots are joined together we can see where they lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

 

[Tisme]

You do that by cooperation with your country's friends, not by alliances with your nation's enemies for the sake of your own finances.

The USA have never been in it for the good of the all. They profiteered off the misery of two world wars to make their fortunes and enjoy that largess through the fifties while everyone else lived off food stamps or welfare. When did we decide we should concern ourselves with the comfort of the US?

Europe has managed to recover again, just like it has for millenia and the USA is less important because of it.

 

[Tisme]

You really can make up a ton of dribble can't you Tisme?
Lets try something called facts for a change.

1) Trump has a business/financial history that at the best is called "colourful" or as Moxjo so neatly noted "a New York property developer- shady as fcuk". The documentation of his creative business practices, dodgy Trump university, sham financial arrangements is on public record. Your efforts at waving these away as Fake news is risible.

2) As a part of these well documented facts there is another thread which explores the financial relations Donald Trump has with Russian tycoons. The exceptionally generous purchases of property. The big business loans. The joint development deals. Simply done as businessman these could just be sharp practice. But when you are President of the US they represent a conflict of interest that up until now would have been completely unacceptable. See Rumpys point.

3) There is a third strand which is currently under investigation by the FBI. Did the Russians actively assist Donald Trumps election and was this done with the knowledge and support of Trump and his team ? This is an ongoing investigation which Donald Trump has attempted at every point to derail, deride, deny and abuse. There is an excellent summary of the public knowledge(to date) about this investigation on Wikipedia. When all the dots are joined together we can see where they lead.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_United_States_elections

1) your opinion nothing else
2) business dealings are not illegal and actually promoted by previous admins
3) under investigation is no proof of guilt and Wiki is not a peer reviewed source of information

 

[SirRumpole]

When did we decide we should concern ourselves with the comfort of the US?

In an unstable world you need a stable US, and it's not that at the moment.

 

[luutzu]

In an unstable world you need a stable US, and it's not that at the moment.

The US is not there to keep the world stable. It's not their job to.

The world will be stable no matter who's in charge. It could be Putin's Russia, China, or if Hitler had won and surived, his Third Reich.

As long as there's a dominant power, most of the world will be at peace. Just those at peace happen to be part of the Pax. Those not in the Pax gets what weak and friendless countries get: a heavy dose of civilisation.

The reason there's so many wars at the moment is... among other things, the global hegemon is starting to lose its grip.

Or maybe not losing it, but the grips aren't as effective as it used to be.

So there are warlords and unrest all over the colonies. The master is too busy milking the resources to take home rather than tending to the coolies bare minimum needs.

Add to that a rising China who smash natives where they must, but are generally forced to be more diplomatic and magnanimous in countries where doing the same crap as the current boss aren't as effective.

"Empires wax and wane. States coalesces and fall asunder."

 

[Smurf1976]

Now this is wisdom!

I knew little about Trump prior to him being elected as US President.

He's some sort of businessman with a hotel tower carrying his name in Las Vegas which is notable as being the only one to apply for and be permanently refused a license to operate a casino and he was on a TV show. That's literally all I knew about him indeed I wouldn't have recognised him in a photo since I've never watched the TV show.

Since him becoming President, well all I can really say is I see an awful lot of similarities with something I witnessed first hand from another individual and the similarities are ongoing to this day. It's the same crap just in a different context but it's the same thing yes.

Those with the best social intelligence will already have gotten well out of his way very quickly.

Those with the best intellectual intelligence will be getting out of his way one by one and all wishing they'd done it sooner.

Those who dare express a different view and who haven't got out of the way will be removed one way or another.

What remains will be a group that dares not challenge the almighty leader. The ultimate in group think, enforced by fear, and an incredibly dangerous situation since nobody is infallible.

I would most definitely like to be proven wrong on this one. I hope I've misinterpreted and that Trump isn't what I think he is. If I am right however then I'll give you one prediction and that is that it will end dramatically.

The details are impossible to predict but years will be spent picking up the pieces.

As I said, I'm hoping to be proven wrong but I sure don't like what I'm seeing so far as the man's personality is concerned.