The Turnbull Government

overhang · 18 September 2015

drsmith said:
The option that requires the least capital outlay is to obviously have done nothing.

Having privatised Telstra's wholesale network, it's an interesting question as to whether the Labor government should have then down the path of effectively building a new public network from the ground up and having gone down that path, made a huge mess of it. Remember too that it was their plan B.

Perhaps Telstra's wholesale network should have been retained by the Howard Government but sometimes when these things are done, they're more difficult to undo.

Labor were forced onto their plan B after Telstra submitted a non compliant bid that didn't meet the requirements to build a network for 98% of the country and no one else had the capablity to build the network that submitted bids.

Well the real problem was that Howard didn't split Telstra when it was privatised whch would have made all these negotiations with Telstra a lot simpler now. To his credit though at least he prevented Telstra from building a FTTN network that wouldn't have required Telstra to provide 3rd party access to competitors as Telstra had planned.

overhang · 18 September 2015

noco said:
There is no doubt the change in the Liberal Party leadership has broken the little hearts of the Lug Party and whilst Turnbull is not my favorite boy, the change over to him from Abbott has done the trick...The latest poll showing the Coalition in front 51 to 49% and Turnbull 2 to 1 ahead of Shorten as preferred Prime Minister....What a difference a day makes.

Shorten has been no match for Turnbull when it comes to question time in parliament....Turnbull has the oration, the charisma and above all has the female appeal.

What now for barnacle Bill?......Perhaps another midnight back stabbing event but this time by Tanya....I really don't think the results of the TURC will be needed to shift Billy boy off his perch....If the polls continue to go against Bill, he may be gone by Xmas 2015.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/29562764/malcolms-big-move-crushes-labor-hopes-and-hearts/

So you do support Turnbull? I ask because most the comments on Bolts blog on the day of the spill were the vast majority declaring they'd never vote for Turnbull and would even vote Labor at the next election.

Even though I think Labor should be panicking theu probably aren't as keep in mind that both Gillard and Rudd lead Abbott straight after their successful spills. There is always a honeymoon period and it's just a question as to weather Turnbull can maintain that lead. If Abbott does as he says and doesn't seek to bring down the government like the spiteful Rudd did then I see no reason he can't win the next election comfortably.

SirRumpole · 18 September 2015

overhang said:
If Abbott does as he says and doesn't seek to bring down the government like the spiteful Rudd did then I see no reason he can't win the next election comfortably.

Even if Abbott himself does no white-anting, it's the Conservative Right, Bernadi et al who will.

I have a feeling that Turnbull is a figurehead who will have served his purpose if he wins the next election, after which he will be discarded by the hard Right for most probably Morrison who will bring back the dry policies like the Medicare levy, go tough on welfare, "coal is king" and no emissions abatement policies.

So_Cynical · 18 September 2015

Funny to see the Labor social media spin machine busy spamming the message that "nothing has changed" more like they desperately hope nothing has changed.

SirRumpole · 18 September 2015

So_Cynical said:
Funny to see the Labor social media spin machine busy spamming the message that "nothing has changed" more like they desperately hope nothing has changed.

So what has changed so far, apart from the name ?

Early days yet of course, best to go to sleep and wake up in a couple of months.

noco · 18 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
Even if Abbott himself does no white-anting, it's the Conservative Right, Bernadi et al who will.

I have a feeling that Turnbull is a figurehead who will have served his purpose if he wins the next election, after which he will be discarded by the hard Right for most probably Morrison who will bring back the dry policies like the Medicare levy, go tough on welfare, "coal is king" and no emissions abatement policies.

Would you prefer to have back , the useless Carbon dioxide tax ( which reduced CO2 emissions), the useless mining tax, which never raised any revenue although Labor spent it before they received it or open borders to illegal immigrants to cost us another $11 billion +?

The useless cash for junkers, fuel watch, food watch, pink bats, overpriced school halls etc.etc.

Closer ties with the corrupt CFMEU unions?

Gawd help the country if the LUG party ever get back in before going back to real Labor grass roots....To become a true Labor party again they have to cut their ties to the Fabian society and corrupt unions.

Shorten is a true figure head and a puppet of the CFMEU.

So_Cynical · 18 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
So what has changed so far, apart from the name ?

Of course nothing has changed - you expect change in 3 days! the Cabinet hasn't even been sworn in.

SirRumpole · 18 September 2015

So_Cynical said:
Of course nothing has changed - you expect change in 3 days! the Cabinet hasn't even been sworn in.

That's why I said

Early days yet of course, best to go to sleep and wake up in a couple of months.

Seems some people can't read more than one line without losing attention.

So_Cynical · 18 September 2015

SirRumpole said:
Seems some people can't read more than one line without losing attention.

Are you part of the LP social media spin team? only ask because they are also pretty touchy over on FB = equally touchy.

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It's been 3 days, any policy talk of any kind is just silly.

pixel · 18 September 2015

Do we have yet another new PM?

Twice in the same article, I find reference to a new PM named "TURNBALL"
https://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a...2-pension-four-days-off-two-year-anniversary/

SirRumpole · 18 September 2015

So_Cynical said:
Are you part of the LP social media spin team? only ask because they are also pretty touchy over on FB = equally touchy.

It's pretty touchy to respond to one line of a post without reading the rest.

But I'm prepared to give MT some time, even though I feel he's there until he wins the next election after which the far Right will replace him with Morrison.

galumay · 18 September 2015

noco said:
Would you prefer to have back , the useless Carbon dioxide tax ( which reduced CO2 emissions), the useless mining tax, which never raised any revenue although Labor spent it before they received it or open borders to illegal immigrants to cost us another $11 billion +?

Happy to have the Carbon tax back, may not be the best way to deal with global warming but it was better than the LNP ostrich approach. The mining tax was a failure because the ALP failed to articulate good policy and became the victims of a very well funded and focussed attack from the Mining companies. They were then forced to modify the tax to the point where it was ineffective. Would love to see the mining tax reinstated.

The only illegal immigrants we have are already in Australia, the vast majority Poms that have overstayed their visas. Refugees are not illegal, in fact its a basic human right protected in international law. What I and many others would like to see would be a ceasing of our illegal treatment of refugees and a removal of the "die somewhere else" policy of the LNP.

Closer ties with the corrupt CFMEU unions?

Gawd help the country if the LUG party ever get back in before going back to real Labor grass roots....To become a true Labor party again they have to cut their ties to the Fabian society and corrupt unions.

Shorten is a true figure head and a puppet of the CFMEU.

You reeally show how ignorant you are and how poorly based your political opinions are, Shorten is an AWU man, the union that is diametrically opposed to the CMFEU. (which is just one union by the way.) You are just totally incorrect and I wonder where you developed an opion so opposite to fact.

It would also serve your rants better if you dropped the "LUG" rubbish and the silly Fabian/Socialist comments.

As Sir RUmpole says there are serious doubts that Turnbull can do anything to rescue the LNP from its extremist elements, until that happens its unlikely the turnaround in fortunes will be anything but short lived.

SirRumpole · 18 September 2015

noco said:
Would you prefer to have back , the useless Carbon dioxide tax ( which reduced CO2 emissions)

a. individual taxpayers were compensated for this by a tripling of the tax free threshold, kept by Abbott even after the revenue was abolished.

b. Abbott replaced the revenue from the Carbon Tax with grants of taxpayers money to polluting businesses.

What kind of crazy economics is this when we are facing a deficit ? Delete revenue and replace by outgoings of taxpayer $.

Absolutely crazy policy just on financial grounds even if you don't believe in climate change.

sydboy007 · 19 September 2015

noco said:
Would you prefer to have back , the useless Carbon dioxide tax ( which reduced CO2 emissions), the useless mining tax, which never raised any revenue although Labor spent it before they received it or open borders to illegal immigrants to cost us another $11 billion +?

The useless cash for junkers, fuel watch, food watch, pink bats, overpriced school halls etc.etc.

Closer ties with the corrupt CFMEU unions?

Gawd help the country if the LUG party ever get back in before going back to real Labor grass roots....To become a true Labor party again they have to cut their ties to the Fabian society and corrupt unions.

Shorten is a true figure head and a puppet of the CFMEU.

* The mining tax was poorly handled by Labor. Much more of the Henry Financial Review should have been tabled for public consultation and Rudd should have made the case why the tax base needed to be changed. Alas he did similar to the Abbott captain picks and received the same outcome.

* Cash for junkers - similar to Direct Action?

* Pink bats - pretty much Direct Action to households instead of businesses

* Overpriced School Halls - similar to Abbott's losing 55c in the $ tunnel investment, though I'd argue at least a lot of schools received some useful infrastructure and it did serve to help shield the small construction companies from going under.

* How beholden is the Liberal party to the FIRE sector? Property tycoon as treasurer. Recent PM who liked never ending house price growth. No RC into repeated banking scandals, but happy to target the unions.

CanOz · 19 September 2015

The liberals win the key seat....!

galumay · 20 September 2015

CanOz said:
The liberals win the key seat....!

You would think the Turnbull effect was worth 5-6% there given that the polling prior to the coup suggested they would lose it.

Of course the problem for Mal is that now he has another loony religious extremist to deal with!

noco · 20 September 2015

galumay said:
Happy to have the Carbon tax back, may not be the best way to deal with global warming but it was better than the LNP ostrich approach. The mining tax was a failure because the ALP failed to articulate good policy and became the victims of a very well funded and focussed attack from the Mining companies. They were then forced to modify the tax to the point where it was ineffective. Would love to see the mining tax reinstated.

The only illegal immigrants we have are already in Australia, the vast majority Poms that have overstayed their visas. Refugees are not illegal, in fact its a basic human right protected in international law. What I and many others would like to see would be a ceasing of our illegal treatment of refugees and a removal of the "die somewhere else" policy of the LNP.

You reeally show how ignorant you are and how poorly based your political opinions are, Shorten is an AWU man, the union that is diametrically opposed to the CMFEU. (which is just one union by the way.) You are just totally incorrect and I wonder where you developed an opion so opposite to fact.

It would also serve your rants better if you dropped the "LUG" rubbish and the silly Fabian/Socialist comments.

As Sir RUmpole says there are serious doubts that Turnbull can do anything to rescue the LNP from its extremist elements, until that happens its unlikely the turnaround in fortunes will be anything but short lived.

Now lets analyses this very carefully.

Firstly it has been proven the carbon dioxide tax did nothing to reduce C02 emissions as Labor claims in comparison to the direct action policy which has been successful.....It is a well known fact carbon dioxide emissions have been reduced.

When Gillard and Rudd opened the borders 2008/2013, 50,000,( mostly Muslims) poured into the country without their IDs which they threw overboard before the Gillard's water taxi picked them up....Doesn't that make them illegal immigrants ....Further more it has cost this country over $11 billion and still counting to keep these people on welfare who in many cases cannot speak English and have no skills which could be of use to our country.

You claim I show ignorance," Shorten is an AWU man, the union that is diametrically opposed to the CMFEU. (which is just one union by the way.) You are just totally incorrect and I wonder where you developed an opinion so opposite to fact".........So please explain why Bill Shorten is running with the CFMEU over the CHAFTA?...When the CFMEU shouts, Bill comes running....He is the only ALP leader who is backing the CFMEU...So if you say he is strictly an AWU man, why doesn't he cut his close ties with the CFMEU....The corrupt CFMEU will be Shorten's down fall.

I make no apology for getting up your nostril in branding your comrades as the LUG party......Labor/unions/Greens are a coalition and all sleep with each other and if you sleep with dogs, you are bound to get fleas......I will also pound the foot path until the cows come home, that the Greens and the left wing Labor are members of the Fabian society which is related to communism....These people have veered away from the true Labor values and they are doing it in a very subtle way without most people realizing it.

It is too early to judge Turnbull......time will tell and I do believe Abbott can do a lot to unite the party particularly the disgruntled ones who are real supporters of Turnbull.

Come what may, the current situation is certainly a worry for Bill Shorten and the Labor Party.

noco · 20 September 2015

sydboy007 said:
* The mining tax was poorly handled by Labor. Much more of the Henry Financial Review should have been tabled for public consultation and Rudd should have made the case why the tax base needed to be changed. Alas he did similar to the Abbott captain picks and received the same outcome.

* Cash for junkers - similar to Direct Action?

* Pink bats - pretty much Direct Action to households instead of businesses

* Overpriced School Halls - similar to Abbott's losing 55c in the $ tunnel investment, though I'd argue at least a lot of schools received some useful infrastructure and it did serve to help shield the small construction companies from going under.

* How beholden is the Liberal party to the FIRE sector? Property tycoon as treasurer. Recent PM who liked never ending house price growth. No RC into repeated banking scandals, but happy to target the unions.

Your comparisons are totally folly and and cannot be related to each other...You are showing signs of desperation.

noco · 20 September 2015

galumay said:
You would think the Turnbull effect was worth 5-6% there given that the polling prior to the coup suggested they would lose it.

Of course the problem for Mal is that now he has another loony religious extremist to deal with!

You don't seem to want to show any reasonable analysis on the Canning bi-election....In the majority of bi-election against the incumbent government, there is normally a swing against it and given the fact that the deceased Mr.Randall had a very large personal following, an expected swing could well be expected.

I am sure Shortens was full of confidence of winning Canning and he threw all his weight behind his candidate with the usual lies and propaganda......I believe the majority of Canning voters saw through Shorten and consequently his candidate was handsomely defeated....Shorten can now go back home and lick his wounds.

SirRumpole · 20 September 2015

noco said:
Now lets analyses this very carefully.

Firstly it has been proven the carbon dioxide tax did nothing to reduce C02 emissions as Labor claims in comparison to the direct action policy which has been successful.....It is a well known fact carbon dioxide emissions have been reduced.

Australia records biggest emissions drop in a decade as carbon tax kicks in

Australia’s greenhouse gas emissions dropped 1.4% in the second full year of the carbon price – the largest recorded annual decrease in the past decade.

Data released by the Department of the Environment (pdf) showed that emissions in the June quarter rose 0.4%. However, annual emissions to June 2014 dropped 1.4%.

This period includes the second 12 months of the carbon pricing system, which was introduced by the previous federal government in 2012. The Coalition fulfilled an election pledge by abolishing carbon pricing in July.

Emissions reduction accelerated during the two-year span of carbon pricing, with emissions edging down by 0.8% in the first 12 months of the system.

The latest greenhouse gas inventory showed emissions from the electricity sector, the industry most affected by carbon pricing, fell 4% in the year to June.

Electricity emissions account for a third of Australia’s emissions output, which stood at 542.6m tonnes in the year to June, down from 550.2m tonnes in the previous 12 months.

Emissions from transport dropped 0.4% in the year to June, with gases released by the agriculture industry decreasing by 2.6%. Industrial processes emitted 1.3% less greenhouse gas during the year, although fugitive emissions, such as those from mining, rose 5.1%.

Electricity emissions peaked in 2008 and have steadily decreased ever since, driven by a number of factors such as the winding down of parts of Australia’s manufacturing base and energy efficiency initiatives.
emissions

More at:
http://www.theguardian.com/environm...sions-drop-in-a-decade-as-carbon-tax-kicks-in

Why don't you do some research before spouting your propaganda noco, you are just embarrassing yourself.

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