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Labor doesn't seem to be doing their job either, to hold the government to account over the NBN.
Who is Labor's spokesman on the NBN ? Albanese ? I haven't heard a word from him on this issue.
But yes, i can't imagine any of the Liberal supporters lettign Labor get away with buying a copper network and admitting they have no idea of the condition of said copper is, nor how much they will have to spent on top of their purchase price to get it into a usable state.
Have you listened to it ?
If you do, you'll find it puts everything into context including FTTN.
Perhaps you should listen to it again. If you do, you'll note that problems with the rollout before the government changed went beyond the board. Simon specifically mentions political influence in reference to the former Labor government.Yes I listened to it long ago and it really doesn't put much into context all with the FTTN at all. The admission of Simon Hacketts is that previous NBN board was running the show very inefficiently, he was quite optimistic about the use of HFC networks but didn't share the same passion about the FTTN.
I think you'll find his more recent comments give a greater context of the FTTN, please don't ignore those comments to fit the narrative you want to follow.
Perhaps you should listen to it again. If you do, you'll note that problems with the rollout before the government changed went beyond the board. Simon specifically mentions political influence in reference to the former Labor government.
What's in the above article about FTTP isn't materially different to what he said in the presentation. He has always preferred FTTP as technology of choice. The presentation though goes into more detail both directly on FTTN and the kind of wand that would have to be waved to get FTTP (more money). That hasn't changed.
You're using him to push a point on FTTN when he doesn't support FTTN and never has. He believes that FTTP should be used in conjunction with HFC networks where possible.
I've posted the following in the NBN thread on more than one occasion and I know it's difficult listening for those who bought Stephen Conroy's FTTP NBN fantasy but for a broader perspective, it's well worth a listen.
http://simonhackett.com/2014/09/06/rebooting-the-nbn/
If you want to live in the hope that he says something different to what he's said before, that's up to you.I hope he does a new blog soon as it will be interesting what he has to say now that the new corporate plan has been released that shows that the coalition NBN is going to be well over budget whilst the FTTP is well under the projected costing that the coalition campaigned on. Considering it's widely acknowledged including by MT that FTTP is the end game and that we will require FTTP some time in the future then at what point does it become economically sensible to pay the bit more for FTTP now than in the future considering the % difference between the two plans has come down dramatically from the coalition campaign. FTTN is also substantially more difficult to estimate costs due to the rather unknown state of the network and will be more prone to cost blowouts then FTTP.
Management estimates that an all-FTTP fixed line rollout could be completed by 2026 but possibly as late as 2028, with a peak funding range of $74-84 billion (vs. $46-56 billion for MTM) depending on critical sensitivities around peak construction rates, construction and operating cost, and revenue generation.
First positive free cash flow is estimated to be achieved between FY26 and FY31 for an all-FTTP fixed line rollout (vs. FY22 for MTM).
If you review the original point I made in this thread, it was about FTTP, specifically the FTTP rollout under Labor.
Page 39 of the 2016 corporate plan reveals the latest cost ranges for FTTP and MTM.
Just because I'm don't support FTTP at any cost like Labor did in government, don't translate that to supporting FTTN as the best technological solution.And in making that point you used Simon Hackett who doesn't support the FTTN that you support and actually still supports the FTTP, he isn't an example you should use to get your point across.
That $90m FTTP estimate as you would remember was a worst case scenario which, interestingly, in dollar terms we now seem to be approaching as the latest cost estimate for FTTP has also been revised up.Yes those were the costings I was referring to and I as I said when you look at what the coalition campaigned on which was 29.6 billion for the FTTN and 90 billion for the FTTP then you'll note that the difference in costings between the two plans has decreased quite substantially. And at what point does it become more economically sensible for NBN co to build the FTTP network given it's acknowledged that it will be required in the future.
You're using him to push a point on FTTN when he doesn't support FTTN and never has. He believes that FTTP should be used in conjunction with HFC networks where possible.
What doesn't make sense is to throw whatever it takes at FTTP as an end in itself as Labor tried to do.
Just because I'm don't support FTTP at any cost like Labor did in government, don't translate that to supporting FTTN as the best technological solution.
Bill Morrow recently gave a speech at the National Press Club, i happened to watch it.
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/national-press-club-address (start at 35.10)
Points raised - FTTN roll-out imminent, if you are within 400 meters of the Node you will get speeds up to 100 Gbit/s, out to 700 meters and your speed drops by half, this will cover 4.5 million homes, 2.2 million homes getting shafted with the slower speed.
But its all good because 90% of all current NBN connections are of 25/5Mbps or less, so its the old Telstra line of "why do you need faster speeds" and even if every one is limited to 25/5Mbps its still way faster than the DSL you have now.
Bill Morrow recently gave a speech at the National Press Club, i happened to watch it.
http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/national-press-club-address (start at 35.10)
Points raised - FTTN roll-out imminent, if you are within 400 meters of the Node you will get speeds up to 100 Gbit/s, out to 700 meters and your speed drops by half, this will cover 4.5 million homes, 2.2 million homes getting shafted with the slower speed.
But its all good because 90% of all current NBN connections are of 25/5Mbps or less, so its the old Telstra line of "why do you need faster speeds" and even if every one is limited to 25/5Mbps its still way faster than the DSL you have now.
If you wish to paint people as being in political corners on this, that's up to you. I'm not interested in going down that path.Thats debatable, FTTP is the right solution, most in the industry share that view, including Hackett. I guess from your side of the political fence you see that as a cost too high for an oucome. I think that those of us on the other side who have an interest and knowledge of the subject, saw it as one of those nation building infrastructure projects that are worth building even though the cost seems high from the perspective of the present.
The option that requires the least capital outlay is to obviously have done nothing.Out of curiosity do you support any sort of NBN or would you prefer we leave it to the private sector or leave it until we absolutely need it? Is it a case of you supporting the option that requires the least capital outlay?
If you wish to paint people as being in political corners on this, that's up to you. I'm not interested in going down that path.
If cost wasn't an issue then obviously it comes down to the technology (and timeframe too but that's another issue and in itself partly related to cost). The board doesn't have a bottomless pit of taxpayers money to do this. Perhaps you think it should. That's up to you.
If you wish to paint people as being in political corners on this, that's up to you. I'm not interested in going down that path.
If cost wasn't an issue then obviously it comes down to the technology (and timeframe too but that's another issue and in itself partly related to cost). The board doesn't have a bottomless pit of taxpayers money to do this. Perhaps you think it should. That's up to you.
Yes, perhaps i was being too simplistic, after all both sides of politics have made a hash of what was potentially the biggest and most improtant infrastructure project in a few generations.
Curious. I don't believe that 90% of NBN customers are on 25 or less plans. That doesn't match what I support at work. I'd say 10-15% of customers are on 100 plans with another 15-20% on 50. There'd be more customers on 25 plans than 12. I'm not sure what total the nbn is for our customer base, bit it seems to be growing at a decent clip. Some POIs seen to be on monthly to semi monthly bandwidth upgrades. Can't wait till we migrate over to 10 gbs dwdm wavelengths for all POIs. Capacity upgrades will be such a simple affair then.
A mess of his own making
Miranda Devine - 14 September 2015
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailyteleg...ytelegraph/comments/a_mess_of_his_own_making/
...The truth is Abbott was given fair warning in February, in the leadership spill that wasn’t. That was a shot across his bows: change two fundamental elements of his government, or else.
First, remove the lacklustre Treasurer Joe Hockey and, second, change the way your office functions – in other words, end your reliance on chief of staff Peta Credlin...
The few people I know on the NBN are on greenfield sites and one, my Liberal mate who dines with now past PMs is on 50 = loves it and was guilty of pushing the party line prior to the wake up.
Meanwhile I have swung three of my premises over to ADSL digital ready for NBN and seen my speed drop by 10%; go figure. The phones with internet access are nice though.
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