The Turnbull Government

[overhang]

The impressive thing was, he did it with aplomb, it was a $hitty gig but he did it well.
The media, tried unsuccessfully to nail him to the wall over it, but couldn't. That took some skill.


Yes I think Abbott had a lot of faith in Morrisson and was disappointed, but the media had made Abbott's position untenable, Morrisson did the only thing he could which was to back the change.

Hopefully Abbott realises, his job was shot and nothing could rescue it, the media are still obsessed with him. He will never get back in, and should realise his strengh's are needed in a cabinet.

Look they did turn things around, no pun intended but I don't believe it's been as successful as the general public believe, what they excelled at was stopping the media reporting on boats. I say this as someone who recently had a mate return from border force operations, he said enough to indicate the boats haven't stopped but it's all very hush hush, of course we wouldn't want the people smugglers working out out technique . But make no mistake things have dried up in comparison to how they were.

 

[sptrawler]

Look they did turn things around, no pun intended but I don't believe it's been as successful as the general public believe, what they excelled at was stopping the media reporting on boats. I say this as someone who recently had a mate return from border force operations, he said enough to indicate the boats haven't stopped but it's all very hush hush, of course we wouldn't want the people smugglers working out out technique . But make no mistake things have dried up in comparison to how they were.

Perception is the name of the game, you will never stop people trying to get here, as long as most don't believe they will make it.

 

[Smurf1976]

That sums up the western world, ATM.

Well yes but the point of having a government is to lead.

Biggest problem with the Coalition is they seem to think "do nothing and leave it to the market" constitutes effective government. For some things it might but for many things it doesn't.

 

[SirRumpole]

Well yes but the point of having a government is to lead.

Biggest problem with the Coalition is they seem to think "do nothing and leave it to the market" constitutes effective government. For some things it might but for many things it doesn't.

The market has functioned really well in the electricity and finance sectors.

 

[sptrawler]

Well yes but the point of having a government is to lead.

Biggest problem with the Coalition is they seem to think "do nothing and leave it to the market" constitutes effective government. For some things it might but for many things it doesn't.

That's true, but as has been proven by Labor, interfering doesn't always end up with a better outcome.
Finding the balance, between what needs fixing and what needs leaving alone, both parties seem to have a problem with. IMO
Just reading Rumpy's post below, in W.A Labor in Sept 2006 opened up the Electrical system to competition, then later disegregated the S.E.C, to stop cross subsidisation.

 

[Smurf1976]

Finding the balance, between what needs fixing and what needs leaving alone, both parties seem to have a problem with

I think they have trouble with the concept that something needs government doing it but that means they need to employ experts to run these things and make the decisions not that the politicians themselves need to micro-manage everything.

They're like poor managers. Doing it all themselves and making a mess, forgetting the reason why they employ people to do the work. That approach almost always ends badly in due course.

 

[sptrawler]

I think they have trouble with the concept that something needs government doing it but that means they need to employ experts to run these things and make the decisions not that the politicians themselves need to micro-manage everything.

Very true.
I've found in my working life, both Government and private industry, that Government don't seem to respect the ability of their technical staff.
Yet I have found them to be generally of a extremely high standard, in fact a lot of the staff they have let go, have become high flyers in the private sector.
It appears that politicians seem to believe, unless they pay for outside private advice, it leaves them exposed to ridicule and questioning.
When in fact on most occasions, I've found the Government departments technical ability has more in depth knowledge of the issue, than an outside consultancy firm.
I guess it goes back to the old saying, you don't appreciate advice unless you pay for it.
Things may change, I think both the Libs and Labor's old guard needs to move on, the World is changing and they are all coming over as dinosaurs.
Thrashing around over stupid issues, which the media run with untill everyone is fed up to the back teeth, the press is becoming irrelevant and the old politicians are becoming invisible to the young people.
It is just time to kick the ball to the next generation IMO.

 

[luutzu]

Very true.
I've found in my working life, both Government and private industry, that Government don't seem to respect the ability of their technical staff.
Yet I have found them to be generally of a extremely high standard, in fact a lot of the staff they have let go, have become high flyers in the private sector.
It appears that politicians seem to believe, unless they pay for outside private advice, it leaves them exposed to ridicule and questioning.
When in fact on most occasions, I've found the Government departments technical ability has more in depth knowledge of the issue, than an outside consultancy firm.
I guess it goes back to the old saying, you don't appreciate advice unless you pay for it.
Things may change, I think both the Libs and Labor's old guard needs to move on, the World is changing and they are all coming over as dinosaurs.
Thrashing around over stupid issues, which the media run with untill everyone is fed up to the back teeth, the press is becoming irrelevant and the old politicians are becoming invisible to the young people.
It is just time to kick the ball to the next generation IMO.

Politicians know and see what you're seeing Homer. Just that if they go along with that observation, how will they and their mates make money?

For a contractor/consultant, there's apparently this mandate now where they must go through an employment agency. I guess it's for the paperworks, insurance etc. because insurer don't offer those to private companies?

Anyway, the recruiters charges about 20 to 30% on top of the hire. You do the maths... it's crapload of cash just being handed over to the middle man.

That and you got to drive it home that government agencies, public servants etc. are just lazy, no good slackers. That's prepping the way to privatise anything of value.

Not saying that all specialists and external consultants are useless or not necessary. But you'd think that for massive agencies and departments, they'd in-house most of the skills they're contracting in.

But eh, good money though.

 

[Tisme]

Very true.
I've found in my working life, both Government and private industry, that Government don't seem to respect the ability of their technical staff.
Yet I have found them to be generally of a extremely high standard, in fact a lot of the staff they have let go, have become high flyers in the private sector.
It appears that politicians seem to believe, unless they pay for outside private advice, it leaves them exposed to ridicule and questioning.
When in fact on most occasions, I've found the Government departments technical ability has more in depth knowledge of the issue, than an outside consultancy firm.
I guess it goes back to the old saying, you don't appreciate advice unless you pay for it.
Things may change, I think both the Libs and Labor's old guard needs to move on, the World is changing and they are all coming over as dinosaurs.
Thrashing around over stupid issues, which the media run with untill everyone is fed up to the back teeth, the press is becoming irrelevant and the old politicians are becoming invisible to the young people.
It is just time to kick the ball to the next generation IMO.

A lot to do with inhouse smarts is the lack of imperatives that are otherwise placed on private enterprise employees of time, profit and individual innovation. On the flipside is the requirement for stringent bland obedience to policy and procedure within govt which is soul destroying on occasions.

 

[Tisme]

Politicians know and see what you're seeing Homer. Just that if they go along with that observation, how will they and their mates make money?

For a contractor/consultant, there's apparently this mandate now where they must go through an employment agency. I guess it's for the paperworks, insurance etc. because insurer don't offer those to private companies?

Anyway, the recruiters charges about 20 to 30% on top of the hire. You do the maths... it's crapload of cash just being handed over to the middle man.

That and you got to drive it home that government agencies, public servants etc. are just lazy, no good slackers. That's prepping the way to privatise anything of value.

Not saying that all specialists and external consultants are useless or not necessary. But you'd think that for massive agencies and departments, they'd in-house most of the skills they're contracting in.

But eh, good money though.

Plenty of private enterprise parasites who haven't really got the smarts and knowledge to deliver what they tout. They just use nomographs or rule of thuimbs and wrap them up in pretty paper.

 

[Tisme]

Feeling hungry?

https://www.thevintagenews.com/2017...chmen-butchered-and-ate-their-prime-minister/

 

[moXJO]

I have done a lot of work for the government on big projects. And its a total cluster fk from the site manager up.
Its generally not the politicians that don't listen. Its the site managers, architects, main build contract managers, public service plebs, etc.

I literally have to clonk heads together to do something the right way. When the big boss of a building firm and the politicians rock up. And I explain what needs to be done, they leave it in my hands and tell the others to back off.

They then all stand around on TV and take full credit for the work. Despite the fact I had to ram it right up em, while they argued against it.

There seems to be a lack of technical skill or vision when it comes to completing large jobs.

Don't get me wrong there are some fantastic companies and site managers to contract to. But its the subordinates that don't listen. The politicians have always backed me.

 

[PZ.]

I have done a lot of work for the government on big projects. And its a total cluster fk from the site manager up.
Its generally not the politicians that don't listen. Its the site managers, architects, main build contract managers, public service plebs, etc.

I literally have to clonk heads together to do something the right way. When the big boss of a building firm and the politicians rock up. And I explain what needs to be done, they leave it in my hands and tell the others to back off.

They then all stand around on TV and take full credit for the work. Despite the fact I had to ram it right up em, while they argued against it.

There seems to be a lack of technical skill or vision when it comes to completing large jobs.

Don't get me wrong there are some fantastic companies and site managers to contract to. But its the subordinates that don't listen. The politicians have always backed me.

Proves how fake it is on TV though.

The pollie takes the shovel - sticks it in the ground and runs off for a therapeutic smoko

 

[McLovin]

With the SG's advice this morning we seem to be careening toward a constitutional crisis.

 

[SirRumpole]

With the SG's advice this morning we seem to be careening toward a constitutional crisis.

Yep if Turnbull leaves and some NP's sit on the cross benches they are technically in minority government and Parliament may decide to refer Dutton to the High Court. That may persuade the Party Room to go for either Morrison or Bishop.

 

[McLovin]

Yep if Turnbull leaves and some NP's sit on the cross benches they are technically in minority government and Parliament may decide to refer Dutton to the High Court. That may persuade the Party Room to go for either Morrison or Bishop.

More importantly, and where the constitutional crisis part comes into it the GG has the reserve power to commission the PM. He cannot be given formal advice, although I think he can request it. Can the GG give that commission to someone whose eligibility to sit in the house is under question?

The SG basically said he think he's OK, but..

For those reasons I consider there to be some risk, particularly in light of the substantial size of the payments that appear to have been made by the commonwealth to RHT Investments, that the high court might conclude that there is a conflict between Mr Dutton’s duty as a parliamentarian and his personal interests

 

[moXJO]

Proves how fake it is on TV though.

The pollie takes the shovel - sticks it in the ground and runs off for a therapeutic smoko

I had one job where the local council was at war and it was extremely toxic. We were given an impossible deadline and task. Or the labor members would have been eating sht from the libs come local election.
When they showed me the plan I told them there were mistakes all over it.
We were told to get it done and given enough control.

They ended up happily smiling on TV as they had managed to pull off the impossible. A lib member I knew chewed me out after that, as it put a dent in their attack.

The politics behind the scenes are often comical.

The pollie takes the shovel - sticks it in the ground and runs off for a therapeutic smoko

This is exactly what happens. The main building contractor some high ranking public service plebs and the local members love a bit of self promotion.

Funnily enough that same member was at site almost everyday stressing because his ass was on the line.

 

[sptrawler]

There wasn't this much fanfare when Turnbull rolled Abbott.
The SMH will be asking for a National Day of mourning, the way they are going on.

 

[SirRumpole]

The SG basically said he think he's OK, but..

He said he didn't have a lot of evidence like the deed of Dutton's trust, so it's a bit hard to make a definitive ruling. There's enough doubt for Labor to keep hammering if Dutton is elected.

 

[dutchie]

Turnbull finally spits the dummy.
Christine Foster to take over his seat of Wentworth.