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The ScoMo Government

Discussion in 'General Chat' started by sptrawler, Aug 24, 2018.

  1. Humid

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  2. moXJO

    moXJO menace to society

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    I was placed on several government watchlists after that post.
     
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    moXJO menace to society

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    I had little faith in the libs. But they seem to be getting through this better then I expected.
    However I do think they have snuck a few measures through that will erode our freedoms even more.

    I feel sorry for those on study visas. I don't think people realize how tough they have it here, how much they pay to government and what they have to do to stay here.

    Labor is showing they are onboard with treating us like crap. They tried to keep partners separated in Vic but had to quickly reverse.
    I do think they are starting to worry about civil unrest.
     
  4. orr

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    Gussy Gate Taylor??? Doing fine work one might think; priming the ventilator among other life support accessories that will be necessary to the dinosaur fuel interests this Great Country of ours, so to keep them in the plushly appointed surrounds to which they are so familiar...
    The sooner we help blacken the skys of the world again, The sooner the lungs of the poor of the planet will accommodate efficaciously the plagues next to come...
     
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  5. sptrawler

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    Turnbull's memoirs come out today, funny how things come back to haunt people.

    https://www.theguardian.com/austral...nbull-kevin-rudd-tony-abbott-miserable-ghosts
    From the article:
    Malcolm Turnbull has described former prime ministers Tony Abbott and Kevin Rudd as “miserable ghosts” while delivering a brutal assessment of the federal government.
    Turnbull said he would not be a “trappist monk” now he was out of parliament, but it was important not to be driven by hate.

    “When you stop being prime minister, that’s it,” he said. “There is no way I’d be hanging around like embittered Kevin Rudd or Tony Abbott. Seriously, these people are like, sort of miserable, miserable ghosts.”
     
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    He's unloading on ScoMo today: Rudd style leaker apparently. Rats in a barrel...

    Prime Minister Scott Morrison has been blamed for media leaks that weakened the government during high-stakes cabinet debates on tax reform, in an explosive claim from his predecessor Malcolm Turnbull.

    Mr Turnbull says the tactics infuriated ministers to the point where he thought Mr Morrison would offer to resign as treasurer after an especially damaging media leak about superannuation and negative gearing.

    In a new memoir that lifts the lid on the cabinet tensions, Mr Turnbull writes that Finance Minister Mathias Cormann tried to shut Mr Morrison out of some of the talks on tax in order to prevent the details being leaked.

    Mr Turnbull wondered whether Mr Morrison was “out of his depth” and told a cabinet meeting in February 2016 that the leaking had to stop – a remark he aimed at his treasurer and raised again in private talks after the meeting.

    “I have spoken to Morrison again and again about this and it was important the cabinet see that I am putting my foot down,” Mr Turnbull wrote in his diary at the time, in an extract included in the new memoir, A Bigger Picture, to be released on Monday.

    “He has to be, and be seen to be, on notice. He almost offered his resignation to me afterwards but didn’t. In my study here in The Lodge we agreed to go forward but strictly on the basis that we agree on matters like this privately and then announce. No more front-running.”

    Mr Turnbull’s claims, and his blunt conclusion that Mr Morrison played a “double game” in the government’s leadership turmoil, come at a time when the Prime Minister is seeking national unity to counter the COVID-19 virus.

    The clash about “front-running” was fundamental to the Turnbull government’s fortunes ahead of the 2016 election because the debate raised expectations for change before the cabinet rejected the reforms.

    At one point, Senator Cormann expressed his frustration with Mr Morrison after another leak, sending a text message to Mr Turnbull that said: “We have a treasurer problem.”

    Mr Turnbull writes that he preferred to work on policy in secrecy without previewing it to journalists, but his treasurer could not be contained.

    “Scott, however, liked to start with a firm view of the solution – or, more often, the announcement – then go in search of the problem,” Mr Turnbull writes.

    “Plus, he confided in journalists much more than I thought was wise.”

    Mr Turnbull names editors and journalists at News Corp Australia including Simon Benson, Chris Dore and Paul Whittaker as those who gained leaks about options such as an increase in the GST in a “tax mix switch” to cut personal tax rates.

    “Morrison, though, unfortunately nobbled any chance of GST reform becoming a reality by front-running policy options in the media,” Mr Turnbull writes.

    “Time and again he’d float ideas on the front page and monitor the public reaction before determining whether it was good policy or bad policy.

    “The biggest problem with Scott’s preferred approach of reverse-engineering economic policy via the front pages of the tabloids was that once an idea was in the public domain, no matter how good or bad it was, you couldn’t put the genie back in the bottle.”

    Mr Turnbull writes that Finance Minister Mathias Cormann wanted to cut Mr Morrison out of policy talks in order to avoid details being leaked to The Daily Telegraph.

    “It wasn’t easy managing the pair of them as their mutual distrust grew,” he writes.

    In an interview ahead of the publication of the memoir, Mr Turnbull said he did not believe Mr Morrison was using the media to damage the government or undermine colleagues.

    “I worked well with Morrison. The only substantial difficulty we had was this issue of front-running, and it was a problem that I had with him, that Cormann had with him,” Mr Turnbull said.

    However, he added that the “front-running” damaged the government ahead of the 2016 election, when the Coalition retained power by a single seat.

    Mr Turnbull also writes about Mr Morrison’s positioning on the Liberal Party leadership, including a conversation in December 2014 in which Mr Morrison said Tony Abbott would have to go as prime minister during 2015 if his performance did not improve.

    Mr Abbott faced a spill motion the following February and was removed in September, when Mr Morrison’s allies voted against him even though Mr Morrison himself did not.

    On his own removal, Mr Turnbull concludes that Mr Morrison promised loyalty in the leadership turmoil of August 2018 but that his allies voted for Home Affairs Minister Peter Dutton.

    “There’s no doubt at least half a dozen of Scott’s closest allies (and he didn’t have a large number) voted for Dutton in the ballot on the Tuesday,” Mr Turnbull writes of the first leadership ballot on August 21 that year.

    “The idea that they did that without his knowledge is fanciful.

    “Scott is a control freak and I’d seen before in the ballots in 2015 how he’d publicly vote one way while ensuring his supporters voted the other way.”

    “So, regrettably, while it’s never possible to be 100 per cent certain about these things, I have come to conclude Scott was playing a double game.”
     
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  7. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    Oh well, ScoMo played the double game. That's how politics is.

    He's been pretty good in this crisis. You can tell by this thread, no one is upset with him.

    Some more tough decisions coming up next month. Do we attempt to wipe out the virus, relax restrictions, or stay as we are?
     
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  8. IFocus

    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    Morrison has been very good although got off to a laissez-faire start with the I am going to the NRL but next day we shut everything down.
    Remember it wasn't the government that triggered the action on the pandemic it was the chief medical officer but to the government's credit it followed the advice plus formed the state premieres and federal government into a single force.

    Compare that to Trump / Boris total cluster fu(ks Smoko looks pretty damn good.
     
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    What sort of bastard would do a quote cut like that to to good bloke...
    Sorry focus...
    I was an hour ago listening to Schmo's response to Adhern's remarks on travel between NZ and Oz; given infection rates as they stand and capacities of our countries. .. and what do you hear from Schmo... Ohh FFS.
    Schmo can thank his living breathing mother of mary and bleeding jesus that he's not playing chess against Jacinda. The women is 4 to 5 moves ahead of poor schmuck 'I'm off to the footy' morrison.

    Snap Back...Back in Black........

    Is anyone else seeing some 'Oh dear' Here.....
     
  10. Knobby22

    Knobby22 Mmmmmm 2nd breakfast

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    Don't forget though that we were a top 8 country for having the virus at the beginning.

    Morrison decided that people are more important than the economy.
    Boris and Trump decided the opposite. Boris quickly backpedalled, Trump still hasn't.

    This shows an integrity, possibly due to his religious beliefs that the other two lacked.
    (That will rile Orr ).
     
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    I havent seen any of Morrisons broadcasts or McGowans, but from the articles I read on the internet and from listening to what the general public say, it sounds as though it has been handled pretty well.
    I know I personally didnt think that it was getting out of control and there didnt seem to be a sense of panic any where I frequented.
    Just my thoughts.
     
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    I wouldn't give anyone "top marks", because that would require no cases at all and that hasn't happened.

    Some lax monitoring at the start probably let a few too many cases through, and the Ruby Princess was a disaster, although we can argue whether that was a State or Federal problem.

    "Self isolation" is a bit of a joke, there was little policing of it at the start and that probably let a few infections slip by.

    Also the Centrelink issue was badly handled, people shouldn't have had to line up in close proximity spreading stuff around, and the "responsible" Minister seemed to think it was a bit of a joke.

    But Morrison & co seem to have learned from their mistakes and most people are getting used to the restrictions. There could have been violence on the streets in a situation like this, but that hasn't happened. The stimulus packages seem to have been generally well handled, although I'm worried that super funds won't have enough cash to pay people who want to dip in early.

    Federal and State governments have worked pretty well together, but the schools issue is confusing.

    Still, considering that nothing like this has happened in over 100 years, I'd probably give them 8/10 so far, we seem to have kept the contagion down compared to other countries, but there is still a lot to do.
     
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    With regards schooling it is hard apparently some teachers want to go and some don't.
    From our perspective the daughter doesn't know whether to take long service at half pay or not.
    It does make it difficult to plan.
     
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    moXJO menace to society

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    I hope this is a joke:

    Scott Morrison has delivered a stark choice to Australians – sign up to a new COVID-19 tracking app to record your movements or you may have to remain in lockdown for longer.

    Yeah.... F#$k off Scomo.
     
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    If you have to wear a tracking device, make sure everyone knows it, you'll never get mugged :)
     
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    Yep just put this app on your phone, we will only use it while the virus is here, there does another flock of pigs flying by.:confused:
     
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    moXJO menace to society

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    Didn't Tbull say scomo was a control freak. Scomo and Dutton might be a match made in hell when it comes to civil rights
     
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    Surely you would be able to delete it from your phone when the all clear is sounded ?
     
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    moXJO menace to society

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    How much data would they have collected in the meantime.
     
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    IFocus You are arguing with a Galah

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    Haha yeah I know choking as I wrote that one thing for certain Smoko will sure as hell revert back to being a political dog soon enough...........:)
     
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