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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by sptrawler, Aug 24, 2018.

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  1. SirRumpole

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    The most bizarre thing I've seen yet is Mal Turnbulls' son raising money for Labor in Wentworth.

    Now I know why the ALP were immune from criticism in that final speech :)
     
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    Like Ive said so many times, The Manchurian Candidate.
     
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    The Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, why do you think Labor and the SMH are upset about Turnbull getting rolled, he was Labor's best assett.IMO
    Funny how Abbott was trashed for being selfish, then Mal leaves the Party with a by election, makes me wonder where his loyalties lied.
     
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    To clarify, my point is the contradiction not about immigration itself.

    Going to a lot of effort amid much fanfare to stop people entering the country whilst at the same time having record levels of people entering the country.

    Sounds like pure politics to me.
     
  6. CanOz

    CanOz Home runs feel good, but base hits pay bills!

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    Illegal immigrants vs legal immigration. Pretty sure the difference is more than political.
     
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    It's about time we got back to "organic" growth rather than the highly artificial population increase seen over the last 20 years.

    Half the workforce can't get anything better than a part time, temporary or casual job. We should be giving the younger generations a chance to get decent employment that will allow them to raise families, rather than going for the "families in a bottle" approach of immigration.
     
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    That would be true if there was no way to buy your way in such that pretty much anyone with $, however obtained, can manage to become a "legal" immigrant if they jump through the required relatively straightforward hoops.

    If we're going to keep the boats out, and I'm not opposed to that as a concept by the way, then we should also be keeping out those who simply buy their way in and who wouldn't meet the criteria without those $.

    Plus any sensible immigration policy has as a fundamental requirement a target population level. Now can anyone tell me what the government's policy, or the Opposition's for that matter, is? What's their target population level? Without first answering that it's impossible to sensibly address the issue of immigration beyond perhaps accepting those on humanitarian grounds.

    I'm not outright opposed to immigration. I'm opposed to what looks awfully like a case of one rule for the poor and a different rule for the rich. :2twocents
     
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    With high property prices/debt level, insecure jobs... the average couple would be lucky to get any. Forget about organic population growth.

    China's about to officially remove their one-child policy, replacing it with either two for everyone [not just the very rich] or more. The world's going to be turning Chinese over next two generations.
     
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    As the Orange Emperor often said, the rich are the best sort of people to have :xyxthumbs

    How can a country be rich if there aren't rich people? Right? So as long as they have money, by any mean, they're the sort of people you want to enter the country.

    Hard work, dreams, idealism, pulling yourself up by those bootstraps... heck, most of them don't even wear slippers set alone boots.
     
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    China removed the one child policy in 2016. The population birth rate was declining while the aged population was increasing, There's ~240 million old fossils in China ATM and that will increase to about 400 million in less than 20 years. With ~16-17 million babies born annually you can do the maths.

    The drop is because the previous one child policy is now biting, with less women in the fertility range.
     
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    I thought it was just last year?

    Yea. Can't rebuild the empire with one spoilt little shiet per family.
     
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    Buy thier way in? Can you give some examples of this? Do you mean investment? Sorry for my ignorance here but I'm lost on this one...
     
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    I don't know who you are quoting here but there is such a thing as a "business" visa.

    https://www.homeaffairs.gov.au/trav/visa-1/visa-listing#Working and Skilled Visas

    I've heard anecdotally that some "business" visa holders come here, set up a shop-front that never trades, and use the business as a money laundering exercise.
     
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    The less than subtle difference between the average voter in Wentworth and what the average voter is in say, whatever seat it is that incompasses Logan(just as a radom), is that one of those two better understands leverage. And whomever takes Wentworth will only be secure for a few of months at most.
    Morrisons term? short and his thinking even shorter term.
    Current 2019 Fed election Market- Libs... $3.20 Lab... $1.30
     
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    Wasn't/isn't there a sponsored business migration program where wealthy asians could buy elite residency if they invested $xyz k ?
     
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