Nuclear Power: Do you support it?
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Typical rightie response - ad homenim attack and ignore any issues raised
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Typical rightie response - ad homenim attack and ignore any issues raised
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Considering this is probably going to be a hot topic again.... plus theres more members that have joined ASF since I posted this thread, I thought I would bump it up so we can continue this discussion.
If your new to the forum feel free to add your vote to the poll
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Considering this is probably going to be a hot topic again.... plus theres more members that have joined ASF since I posted this thread, I thought I would bump it up so we can continue this discussion.
If your new to the forum feel free to add your vote to the poll
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Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
Re: risk factors, it was explained to me many years ago that Lucas Heights was chosen as the site for a reactor in the outer southern suburbs of Sydney due to the stability of the surrounding rock.
This all happened way back in 1958 long before the surrounding land was occupied with dwellings and thus far without any tremours or earthquakes.
Still, it's the fear of the unknown, a reactor meltdown is something no one wants to hear about, let alone radiation poisoning.
People have been able to argue that nuclear powerplants have been around since the 1950's and we are better equiped to deal with them now than 60 years ago.
Is the path of the moon ever gonna collide with the earth? If not can't we transport the waste there? And, if a meteorite did crash into the moon are we far enough away for minimal nuclear contamination?
Re: risk factors, it was explained to me many years ago that Lucas Heights was chosen as the site for a reactor in the outer southern suburbs of Sydney due to the stability of the surrounding rock.
This all happened way back in 1958 long before the surrounding land was occupied with dwellings and thus far without any tremours or earthquakes.
Still, it's the fear of the unknown, a reactor meltdown is something no one wants to hear about, let alone radiation poisoning.
People have been able to argue that nuclear powerplants have been around since the 1950's and we are better equiped to deal with them now than 60 years ago.
Is the path of the moon ever gonna collide with the earth? If not can't we transport the waste there?
And, if a meteorite did crash into the moon are we far enough away for minimal nuclear contamination? 
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I vote yes, because I own a lot of uranium shares and I want to buy a yacht to sail around the world in soon. Preferrably about 50ft, teak fit out, good DVD/sound system, yada yada....
Plus, we need an interim measure before cold fussion saves the earth.
I vote yes, because I own a lot of uranium shares and I want to buy a yacht to sail around the world in soon. Preferrably about 50ft, teak fit out, good DVD/sound system, yada yada....
Plus, we need an interim measure before cold fussion saves the earth.
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Of course we should use Nuclear power.
Not only that but we should charge like blazzes to accept waste---use the money for scientists to work out how to recycle it then sell it back to those that dumped it here in the first place.
Of course we should use Nuclear power.
Not only that but we should charge like blazzes to accept waste---use the money for scientists to work out how to recycle it then sell it back to those that dumped it here in the first place.
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Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
Are you crazy thats too dangerous....
Kennas just use wind power: all the energy you need!
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Are you crazy
thats too dangerous....Kennas just use wind power
: all the energy you need!
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Gents, I'll need crew, but unfortunately you wont fit the mould. Anyone looking like Prospector is welcome aboard! Don't tell Rach, YT!
Gents, I'll need crew, but unfortunately you wont fit the mould. Anyone looking like Prospector is welcome aboard!
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I would prefer to live next to a Nuclear Power station rather than a Coal Power station 100 times out of 100.
But what about the waste? If two miners can get stuck 1000m below the surface, surely we can dig at least 2000m down for a new long term storage facility. (You can start the digging in my backyard, next to the Nuclear reactor. This wouldn't upset me.)
Also, one could argue that there is a finite amount of uranium in the earth. And one could also argue that it's more than likely that this uranium will be used by someone at some stage. And that same person could argue that it might in fact be better to use that uranium in our own backyard, where we can see what it's being used for. Rather than say exporting a tonne of it to China, and wondering why there are sizeable earth tremmors in North Korea after China received their half-tonne of uranium.
And I find it amusing how many people criticise the Russians for everything from corruption to communism to the fact that most of the country lives in absolute poverty etc, etc. Yet we are seem to be awestruck with their Chenobyl reactor. Because according to most people's comments and conversation, a Russian Nuclear reactor in the 1980's (which was run by Russia (in the 80's)) is the absolute best that any country can strive to achieve in the year 2006. We fear that any reactor built today in Australia would inevitably have "Chenobyl-like-consequences".
Do I think Nuclear is the holy grail? No. But let's cut the crap out of the conversation and realise that if something isn't done soon.....well....think about it.
I would prefer to live next to a Nuclear Power station rather than a Coal Power station 100 times out of 100.
But what about the waste? If two miners can get stuck 1000m below the surface, surely we can dig at least 2000m down for a new long term storage facility. (You can start the digging in my backyard, next to the Nuclear reactor. This wouldn't upset me.)
Also, one could argue that there is a finite amount of uranium in the earth. And one could also argue that it's more than likely that this uranium will be used by someone at some stage. And that same person could argue that it might in fact be better to use that uranium in our own backyard, where we can see what it's being used for. Rather than say exporting a tonne of it to China, and wondering why there are sizeable earth tremmors in North Korea after China received their half-tonne of uranium.
And I find it amusing how many people criticise the Russians for everything from corruption to communism to the fact that most of the country lives in absolute poverty etc, etc. Yet we are seem to be awestruck with their Chenobyl reactor. Because according to most people's comments and conversation, a Russian Nuclear reactor in the 1980's (which was run by Russia (in the 80's)) is the absolute best that any country can strive to achieve in the year 2006. We fear that any reactor built today in Australia would inevitably have "Chenobyl-like-consequences".
Do I think Nuclear is the holy grail? No. But let's cut the crap out of the conversation and realise that if something isn't done soon.....well....think about it.
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If we support "nukular" power here, do we also support it for places like Iran, North Korea... even Iraq if the west ever extracts itself from that disaster?
If we support "nukular" power here, do we also support it for places like Iran, North Korea... even Iraq if the west ever extracts itself from that disaster?
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Not at the moment Wayne. Are you really comparing Australia with the 'Axis of Evil' in terms of international responsibility and 'conscious' governance?wayneL said:
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What right do we have to do that?
How then, can we morally prevent them from developing nuclear power for electricity generation?kennas said:
What right do we have to do that?
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Overall, I can not put my hand on my heart and say that these countries should be given liscence to run an industry so closely related to developing you know what, therefore further shifting the balance of power on the planet making it even more unstable.
I actually didn't mind Russia's solution where they would provide the enriched uranium to Iran for power development, but Iran didn't want that because they want to develop their own nukular industry to gain 'power'.
Well, you've got to prove that you are a moral, reasonable, logical, caring, and responsible country for a start.wayneL said:
Overall, I can not put my hand on my heart and say that these countries should be given liscence to run an industry so closely related to developing you know what, therefore further shifting the balance of power on the planet making it even more unstable.
I actually didn't mind Russia's solution where they would provide the enriched uranium to Iran for power development, but Iran didn't want that because they want to develop their own nukular industry to gain 'power'.
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Howdy Lads, I guess the country with the most Uranium theoretically has the "balance of power" .......... we are pretty lucky here in Oz in that case ......... Just wondering ...Does anyone know if countries such as Iran are actively searching for U deposits (not that we'd here about it in the west) If they were to get their hands on their own supplies, what they do with it it their own business, and that could be frightening in a few years time .......... Strict international laws and policing need to be implemented early in the piece as to where all the U goes to and what its used for ........ thats gona be hard to keep a track of ...........
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Howdy Lads, I guess the country with the most Uranium theoretically has the "balance of power" .......... we are pretty lucky here in Oz in that case ......... Just wondering ...Does anyone know if countries such as Iran are actively searching for U deposits (not that we'd here about it in the west) If they were to get their hands on their own supplies, what they do with it it their own business, and that could be frightening in a few years time .......... Strict international laws and policing need to be implemented early in the piece as to where all the U goes to and what its used for ........ thats gona be hard to keep a track of ...........
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Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
Yes i support it. Also agree that Thorium should be used. Uranium is only used for one reason really isn't it?
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Yes i support it. Also agree that Thorium should be used. Uranium is only used for one reason really isn't it?
Cheers,
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Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
There is nothing to stop a supposed "reasonable" country with nuke power to fall into the hands of a despot, dullard or psychopath (***e.g. the USA, the most dangerous country on the planet... with the exception possibly of Israel)
On another point, how to we intend to stop "undesirable nations":
a/ developing nuke energy anyway
b/ spewing carbon emissions instead?
Splatter them with DU munitions?
*** The USA and it's circle of influense are the only counrty(s) busily spreading nuclear material with a half life of some billion years or something all over great patches of the planet.
Well, I think you have just excluded countries like the USA, Israel, China, Russia (and other ex USSR republics) Pakistan, Germany etc etc etckennas said:
There is nothing to stop a supposed "reasonable" country with nuke power to fall into the hands of a despot, dullard or psychopath (***e.g. the USA, the most dangerous country on the planet... with the exception possibly of Israel)
On another point, how to we intend to stop "undesirable nations":
a/ developing nuke energy anyway
b/ spewing carbon emissions instead?
Splatter them with DU munitions?
*** The USA and it's circle of influense are the only counrty(s) busily spreading nuclear material with a half life of some billion years or something all over great patches of the planet.
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Now we need a balance of power so that the world can get by.
Unfortunately, we do not have that at the moment, and the US is turning fascist and proving the theory that 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.
I hope that China, India, Japan, and Russia grow to create a more balanced world, but at the same time they do not form alliances that destabilise the world. What we all need right now, is for US power to deminish to be replaced by a new world order that has a more balanced politico/social outlook on how humans should best live. I hate to say it, but I think pure Capitalism does not work, just as much Communism does not work. And Dictatorships do not work, just like some 'democracies' do not work. The answer is in the middle somewhere. Wherever that is.
The problem we have is that it is out there already.wayneL said:
Now we need a balance of power so that the world can get by.
Unfortunately, we do not have that at the moment, and the US is turning fascist and proving the theory that 'absolute power corrupts absolutely'.
I hope that China, India, Japan, and Russia grow to create a more balanced world, but at the same time they do not form alliances that destabilise the world. What we all need right now, is for US power to deminish to be replaced by a new world order that has a more balanced politico/social outlook on how humans should best live. I hate to say it, but I think pure Capitalism does not work, just as much Communism does not work. And Dictatorships do not work, just like some 'democracies' do not work. The answer is in the middle somewhere. Wherever that is.
Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
No way, what happens when the wind stops blowing!!!
Nuclear is the way to go...
OK... time to be serious now.
Kennas, choosing prospector over any of us is a blatant discrimination.
You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Ok... getting serious... take 2.
WW3 is going be fought on energy...
The US knows it and the Jihad'ist (disguised as holy warriors) know it.
France, Germany know it, and have positioned themselves on the Arab side. Frankly, i don't think russia or china can be trusted to side with the US over Arab states if push comes to shove. And they already have nukes.
And all this carnage is just about oil...
Think of the other enery cross roads we are going to reach in the next 50 - 100 years...
Its going to be an interesting century...
The Mint Man said:Are you crazy
Kennas just use wind power
No way, what happens when the wind stops blowing!!!
Nuclear is the way to go...
OK... time to be serious now.
Kennas, choosing prospector over any of us is a blatant discrimination.
You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Ok... getting serious... take 2.
WW3 is going be fought on energy...
The US knows it and the Jihad'ist (disguised as holy warriors) know it.
France, Germany know it, and have positioned themselves on the Arab side. Frankly, i don't think russia or china can be trusted to side with the US over Arab states if push comes to shove. And they already have nukes.
And all this carnage is just about oil...
Think of the other enery cross roads we are going to reach in the next 50 - 100 years...
Its going to be an interesting century...
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Re: Nuclear Power, Do you support it?
Can you row Rafa? You're in if you can pull an oar! But only if you look like Prospector, or Angelina.
It's going to be very very interesting to see who takes whose side in the comming 20-50 years, and we will see it unfold. It really could go any direction. Wasn't long ago America had a civil war! Perhaps the next war will be Australian v New Zealand. I think they will win, their Hakas are just too scary!
Rafa said:No way, what happens when the wind stops blowing!!!
Nuclear is the way to go...
OK... time to be serious now.
Kennas, choosing prospector over any of us is a blatant discrimination.
You'll be hearing from my lawyers.
Ok... getting serious... take 2.
WW3 is going be fought on energy...
The US knows it and the Jihad'ist (disguised as holy warriors) know it.
France, Germany know it, and have positioned themselves on the Arab side. Frankly, i don't think russia or china can be trusted to side with the US over Arab states if push comes to shove. And they already have nukes.
And all this carnage is just about oil...
Think of the other enery cross roads we are going to reach in the next 50 - 100 years...
Its going to be an interesting century...
Can you row Rafa? You're in if you can pull an oar! But only if you look like Prospector, or Angelina.
It's going to be very very interesting to see who takes whose side in the comming 20-50 years, and we will see it unfold. It really could go any direction. Wasn't long ago America had a civil war! Perhaps the next war will be Australian v New Zealand. I think they will win, their Hakas are just too scary!
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