Nevertheless its still a crude system that fundies often say works. If such ideas are good there are more ideas out there that should be better considering how dumb it actually is.
LOL Sinner.......
I know, I know...you are probably thinking "gee, considering a rant like that, what are you doing thinking you can outperform the market?"
Sinner I was just trying to point out something that index tracking by the nature of indexes, that is they generally reward winners and cull losers, is a system.
A blunt TA system, yet its mostly the fundies who champion it. I was wondering if they see it as similar to what TA'ers do because it looks like a trend following system based on quarterly bars.
Apologies if it's too late in the thread to ask. tech/a, I need some clarifcation. Are you looking for what different people count as sufficient evidence (in an imperfect world) for a strategy to be considered empirically robust?
That seems to be slightly different to the wording of your original post, but I think (from more recent replies) that it is what you are after.
If I have this correct (and I don't know whether I do or not)...can I ask what your interest is? Meaning; are you looking to broaden the ideas base of how to assess a system idea, for example? The reason I ask is because you'd already be familiar with the way several traders (e.g. Nick Radge) evaluate robustness. So, is it that you see any flaws in the type of stats that trading software (such as Amibroker - which I'm not familiar with) spit out? Or are you curious about other ways of assessing robustness?
Or have a misread you entirely, and it's not, "how to evaluate the robustness of a strategy" that you are talking about?
The reason I need the clarification is that - as I mentioned above - you originally asked simply for examples of papers with rigorously tested results. There are many examples of empirical papers...with various levels of rigor applied to the tests. It's no different in academia than it is in the world of practioners.
I have just been listening to the podcast interviews done by Better System Traders. There have been some on there that have said things that have made me thought, "I could never trade one of their systems". Doesn't mean it doesn't work for them. I just wouldn't consider it 'rigorous' enough testing to give me the confidence to trade.
but unless I have confidence in the analysis available how can I have confidence when using it.
This will give me the confidence when trading serious amounts.
Maybe its just a personal thing and I'm in the minority.
No I reckon that puts you in the majority!!!!!
Confidence in yourself in the face of [known] uncertainty - that's probably a minority.
Well if that's the case I know a few of these guys
No longer where they expected to be.
After 50-60 yrs they are looking back and they KNOW why they aren't where they could have been.
3 I'm thinking of directly .
(1) He under valued his under value of his 2 x $1.5 million Apartments he bought and is now left with 3 mill debt and $1.8 mill of current asset.----He was supremely confident in his purchase.
(2) He over valued his place in his market and when he bought a new business to combine with
his own he couldn't keep clients---He was and still is very confident in his ability to read his industry.
(3) He undervalued the sale of his business and the new owner saw great potential doubling his business
in 2 yrs.----He was super confident his business was about to fail.
Sure there are no hard and fast guarantees in anything in this world.
But I for one are glad that a more rigorous approach is used in Medicine/Product Quality Control/Building Codes/Professional training.
I'm glad I don't come up against to many who have confidence in themselves in the face of uncertainty, when my Safety/Lively Hood or Money are concerned.
There are plenty of investors in Melbourne and Sydney who are buying off plan apartments from developers who are at the extreme of your minority.
I'm sure there are lots of Trading packages/Newsletters/methods and Systems who also fit in your group.
Ill stay with the majority thanks---its served me well.
Tech/a, I am still a bit uncleared on what you are ultimately looking for.
Can you offer a hypothetical example of what would satisfy your "evidence based results"?
Are you looking for something as iron-clad as "Water boils @ 100 degree'?
Or is something like "Monday opening gaps are closed before Friday on the SPI 72% of the time" good enough?
I'm actually looking at rather than For
In layman's terms (mine I'm a builder)
{Relevance
Data
Software used
Language and logic
Rational
Parameters
Sophistication
Topic
Result---
Ease of replication.}
all encompassing Evidence
I don't think there is such a thing? Wouldn't that be like trying to make a fully automatic trading system, at some point it will probably blow up because of so many changing conditions in the market. Would be similar trying to test the actual trading system itself and get the evidence it worked, because they are all so different and it might prove certain aspects of the method/system, but not a simple goto answer of YES or NO it doesn't work.
Not on the same page here.
Sinner, been enjoying reading some of your posts since you returned.Just as an example of goals...this sort of equity curve is not that hard to achieve as it turns out...
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The possible strategies behind the equity curve you've linked.... where on the spectrum of active to passive do they fit? What kind of scale is required before transaction costs become too significant etc. I guess what I am really asking, is how suitable are they do Joe Bloggs who doesn't have a big capital base, but has plenty of compounding time, and a basic grasp of finance (and capability / willingness to learn more).
If not relevant to thread, probably a suitable thread on here elsewhere.
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