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Pro Trumpers still dropping the hysterical TDS bombing sortie are they ?

I probably should thank them really.... because I'm starting to actually like Trump at the moment - loosing an election is nice enough, but loosing the same election at least once every week is the gift that keeps on giving !
 
He acted early with that travel ban, for sure....but he allowed Americans to fly in from China...which meant the policy was next to useless, as it just meant returning Americans were going to import the virus anyway. What action did Trump take through February and March? He spent the following weeks and months talking down the virus as nothing to worry about, and he loudly opposed and fought against any and all attempts to take any action to slow the spread. He was aggressively opposed to any form of lockdown, he was anti mask, and for several months in the middle of this year, he avoided even referencing the pandemic!

Now he's just out playing golf most days and bitching about the election result. Great leadership.
wayneL said:
I guess he should have personally tracked down each and every virus particle and hit it with a hammer.

Perhaps have Pelosi et al arrested for poohooing him and telling people to go out and hug each other?
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Turning up to work would be a start. If you have to go so far back as January to find any kind of response against the Virus, I think that says it all.
 
Junior said:
What action did Trump take through February and March?
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He inadvertently did the right thing with China, but only partially. To give him the benefit of the doubt, let's say he won one skirmish. But he constantly refers to that victory as if he had one the war, when he is one of the biggest losers.
 
bellenuit said:
He inadvertently did the right thing with China, but only partially. To give him the benefit of the doubt, let's say he won one skirmish. But he constantly refers to that victory as if he had one the war, when he is one of the biggest losers.
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Yes, and then he 'banned europe', but gave an exemption to the UK (because he likes Boris??). He had the right idea, but implementation was way off the mark.
 
I don't think anyone can claim that The Donald had the perfect response, especially when dealing with 50 states for each have their own governors and their own response; I point out once again that the US is a federation like Australia.

Have we not had differing responses and differing results here?

What I would like to hear from you guys is what would have been your perfect response at the time without the benefit of hindsight what do you guys honestly believe you would have done in the same position?

Bearing in mind the whole topic is absolutely rife with political narratives, propaganda, and mercantile ulterior motives?

Nobody bags out the leadership of Belgium, Spain, or Italy, or any of the others.

Just Trump.

bearing in mind the figures I have provided above about per capita deaths, why do you think that is?

Do you think you have been totally manipulated by the media narrative? I posit that is absolutely blindingly obvious to anyone not suffering from TDS.
 
I will answer it simply for you.

"We have turned the corner"
"We will have a vaccine soon"
"The virus will just disappear"
"Bleach might work"

That is not my propaganda or someone elses, but the great Chump man himself.

"Nobody bags out the leadership of Belgium, Spain, or Italy, or any of the others." This is the Chump thread, want to discuss these other countries create a thread.
 

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There has been, and is no perfect response to this pandemic. The reason so many are critical of Trump versus other leaders is pretty clear in my view:

* He took action very early in the pandemic, as discussed in this thread, with travel bans. However they were very ineffective, because he still allowed Americans to fly in from all over the globe, without any testing, quarantine, isolation etc. The virus doesn't care which passport you have. Other countries closed border, or at least strongly recommended home isolation if you'd traveled in from an affected area.

* After the first few weeks, he started aggressively and consistently railing against those states who had imposed any form of lockdown or restrictions. He said the virus would go away. He said it wasn't dangerous and it was just like the flu. He said a vaccine was just around the corner. He said everything will need to re-open asap. He threatened to punish those states who continued to impose restrictions. This was all the way back in March....still very early days in the pandemic. Trump didn't have any alternative plan or proposed set of actions, he just didn't like the economic numbers and falling sharemarket, so he was hoping we could all pretend there was no pandemic.

He used the crisis to try and demonise states with Democratic leadership, and we've seen what that's led to:

* If you practice social distancing and wear a mask, that's not considered sensible behavior in a pandemic, it's seen as anti-Trump, pro-Democrat behavior. The pandemic like everything else in the past 4 years was politicised by the President and the country divided 50/50. It didn't really play out like that elsewhere. We saw leaders of almost every other country on the planet take the pandemic seriously and at least attempt to take some action to manage it, and take advice from health / infectious disease experts. I think that's why Trump's response has been such a focus. He has gone from actively opposing any kind of action to address the pandemic, to then not even mentioning the fact that there is a pandemic (from April through until recently), to now playing golf every day and whinging about his poor election results, whilst 3,000 a day are dying and the crisis is deepening.

It's not leadership, and it's embarrassing for a country which claims to be a world leader.
 
Once again you plebs don't know what you are talking about because you were to lazy to look.
They had guidelines in place:

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2020/03/13...lines-new-process-americans-returning-certain
This was from March.


This was from Jan.
Back when Democrats were calling it a "racist distraction".

Trump followed cdc guidelines. The states fked up severely. NY being a huge culprit. Fed can set guidelines, but states control states.

The US was hamstrung by constitution, states, size of population. You all seem to like to revise history.
 

Trump accepted CDC advice for the first few weeks of the pandemic. Then Fauci and all medical advice was ditched sometime in April, from memory.
 
Trump is still determined to attack the legitimacy of the Presidential votes in the US election. (Interesting he has made no mention of Congress or Senate results which showed continued Republican support )

 

Talk about revisionists.. Somehow you are straining to say that Trump was not responsible for the catastrophe that COVID has become in the US. It was the States. The Dems in particular. The Constitution, Too many people. "And it was all Chinas fault anyway". Anything.

Anything except for the unremitting reality that from Day I Trump downplayed COVID, tried to wish it away repeatedly and never, ever showed the leadership required to get the entire community onboard to tackle the problem as a medical crisis.

John Howard in his usual forensic way hit the mail on the head. He described every COVID Press Conference Trump held as another political suicide note. In his view Trump destroyed himself and the nation by refusing to show political leadership in effectively confronting this crisis. He noted that in Australia and overseas even when counties were taking a beating on COVID the people respected and supported politicians who made a genuine attempt at taking the measures required to bring it under control.

Think Morrison and all Australian politicians Labour or Liberal.

Trump 'penned political suicide note' at every Covid press conference, former Australian PM says

If US president handled coronavirus pandemic ‘half-decently’ he would have won election, John Howard says
www.theguardian.com
 
wayneL said:
There's that.

Then there's the realisation it's an exercise in futility. Nobody seems to have changed anyone's mind here.

Attempts at genuine debate quickly degenerate to a troll-fest (with a mea culpa attached).
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People have gone quiet because it's all over, done and dusted, the Electoral College has spoken, all challenges thrown out of court.

Republicans have acknowledged the result, the only one left arguing is DJT and as John Howard once said about himself, he's history.
 
Trump was a part of it. Yours and others denial of history is another matter altogether. We had accusations nothing was done when clearly it was. Trumps leadership through covid was terrible. But to say nothing was in place is ignoring a huge part of what happened.


Noticed you couldn't stay away from the Trump thread for long.
 

Common ground!

Very little action was taken, when you compare to leaders of other nations around the world.

Trump reluctantly followed medical advice, to a degree, for the first few weeks of the pandemic. Then his attention span expired and he downplayed, ignored, and actively railed against taking sensible action. Yes, it's a fair point to make that the majority of action is indeed up to each individual state. But when you have 30%-40% + of the population hanging off of every word which comes out of Donald's mouth, it completely undermines any localised attempts to deal with the crisis.

Now we can see the outcome, it's directly translating into mass death. COVID19 is the 3rd leading cause of death in the United States, and may well become the Leading cause of death through this winter. Ahead of Cancer and Heart Disease. Death which is at least partly preventable.
 
I'm sorry but a lot of action was taken at the start. States were supported and aid was rushed out. A few states failed big time at the start, NY comes to mind.
Funny the states pushed harder for changing mail in voting laws then they did for covid action.

There were a long line of failures here and yes Trump in the last few months has felt like he really dropped the ball.

However we have multiple factors and one big one is the absolute derangement of opposition and media throughout the whole thing.
How many of you actually know what measures were put into action?

It worked well here because we had somewhat unity between government, opposition, media.
The yanks were in an election year in which the Democrats were desperate to win.
 
satanoperca said:
Excuses, excuses, excuses, keep up the narrative of your god, but they are still excuses.

Or are 300,000 dead people wrong.

Or I am wrong and this virus which is killing USA citizens will "Just disappear"
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moXJO said:
The yanks were in an election year in which the Democrats were desperate to win.
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You had me before this statement, which is the statement of 2020.

And Chump man wasn't?
 
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Couldn't stand to see the misdirection, misinformation and downright rubbish you sprout uncontested.

Moxjo, your original piece on Trumps efforts at tackling COVID was the original piece of revisionism. I stand by my comments.
You decided to adjust your view by adding that you thought his leadership through COVID was terrible. I wonder why you chose not to say that originally ? You may have then preserved a scintilla of respect for reality.

You ask about the "unremitting" attacks on Trump from the first day in office. You neglect to acknowledge that the reason for these attacks was simply the breathtaking range of dangerous , criminal and "stoopid" behaviours he indulged in. I considered responding in detail but given few people on ASF want to rehash the nepotism, criminal use of office, abuse of allies, cozying up to dictators, denial of proven sexual adventures ( not to mention assaults ) etcera - whats the point ?

However I suggest the ongoing catastrophe of COVID in US is in a league of it's own. The US had a plan to deal with a pandemic. Obama developed the text book. That was thrown out the window. It went downhill from there with the decisions to repeatedly say "it was just going to go away" . Then, after setting up a COVID panel, Trump decides to go rogue and deliberately undermine the medical advice on reducing infection risk and then finds himself a like minded soul to be chief spruiker of doing nothing.

Meanwhile of course he has already say he takes no responsibility for the disease and that it was all Chinas fault anyway and calls it the China flu.

He attacks the use of masks and social distancing when it has become overwhelming clear that these measures will reduce teh spread of infection. He turns these refusals into a badges of honour and another stick to beat the "timid, basement dwelling " Dems.

Meanwhile infections are escalating at a terrifying rate and are now killing 3000 people a day. The same casualties the US suffered in 9/11. Is this not truly a disaster ?

By now he has refused to hold any Press conferences on COVID and completely dropped the ball. To quote again "It is what it is"

And lets remember that earlier this year he acknowledged just how dangerous this disease would be in an conversation with Bob Woodward. He knew what he was doing..

I don't like John Howard but I do acknowledge his political skills. Pointing out how profound Trumps political failure on COVID was and the fact that it was almost certainly the tipping point in his election loss was an interesting touch.

The political suicide note at each COVID Press Conference summed it up exquisitely.
 
Mmm hmmm....
"Trump is to blaaamme for everything and didn't do anything to help. Its all his fault".
This is typical rubbish from idiots that are too stupid to scratch the surface.

Media hasn't been a source of facts.
They took 30 second soundbytes from what were often 2 hour Trump pressers.
The news business of Trump was: get clicks, get attention - every time Trump says something stupid. Which was a lot. You then get conflict stories, half truths or outright lies from those seeking your attention. Yeah real great in a pandemic.


New York infected the US. Authorities dropped the ball in that state. Not just made up bs like your line of crap.

Now here's a complete breakdown of how NY fked up. Now I was going to post at the time articles and Cuomos press conferences but this article went above and beyond.
https://www.propublica.org/article/...y-10-times-the-number-of-deaths-as-california

But a range of health officials and scientists interviewed by ProPublica say creating such timelines misses the central issue: No later than Feb. 28, federal officials warned the country that a deadly pandemic was inevitable. It is from that point forward, they say, that any individual state’s actions should be judged.

Oh and just so it passes Bas Muster:
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/20/andrew-cuomo-new-york-coronavirus-catastrophe

Trump is just as to blame as the: States, media, models and everyone else. Democrats and Republican are so far removed from one another that this is the typical mess you get.

Trump right now would get a zero for the last few months just off media reports. I haven't checked the behind the scenes progress if any. But it obviously looks like he threw in the towel to cdc.


As for the surge now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...took-streets-dance-over-bidens-win-heres-why/

Nov 12

I wonder how the chart looked after that date.
 
moXJO said:
"Trump is to blaaamme for everything and didn't do anything to help. Its all his fault".
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You may find that those who blame Trump for everything are a lot closer to the truth that you assume.

Not only is much of it his fault due to inaction, his administration actually pushed policies that were seen by almost everyone as extremely dangerous.

We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

‘We want them infected’: Trump appointee demanded ‘herd immunity’ strategy, emails reveal

Then-HHS science adviser Paul Alexander called for millions of Americans to be infected as means of fighting Covid-19.
www.politico.com

More on the above and also this:

Chairman Clyburn Releases Memo With New Evidence of Political Interference in Pandemic Response

Washington, D.C. (December 16, 2020) — Today, Rep. James E. Clyburn, Chairman of the Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Crisis, sent a memo to Members of the Select Subcommittee citing new documents obtained in the Subcommittee’s investigation of political interference by senior Trump...
coronavirus.house.gov

Administration Officials Tried to Discredit Scientists Who Provided Truthful Public Information.



  • Dr. Alexander attempted to blame public health officials for the pandemic and tried to discredit scientists such as Dr. Anthony Fauci. For example, on June 29, 2020, Dr. Alexander baselessly accused scientists of trying to “destroy the nation and people’s lives just to make the President look bad…saving lives is not their aim…”


  • On July 3, 2020, Dr. Alexander complained that Dr. Fauci had warned the public to “expect a dramatic increase in spread.” Dr. Alexander wrote: “He just wont stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He cant keep quiet….and he is not on the same page of the govn….does he think he is the President???” One week later, President Trump and other White House officials publicly attacked Dr. Fauci.


On September 14, 2020, the Select Subcommittee launched an investigation into political interference by senior Trump administration officials with the scientific reports and guidance issued by the CDC during the coronavirus crisis.



On December 10, 2020, Chairman Clyburn wrote to HHS Secretary Azar and CDC Director Redfield seeking immediate compliance with the Select Subcommittee’s investigation after a witness revealed that career CDC officials were directed to destroy evidence of political interference in the CDC’s work, and HHS cancelled four other witness interviews. Chairman Clyburn requested a transcribed interview with Director Redfield and warned that failure to make a complete production of all remaining responsive documents by December 15, 2020, would force the Select Subcommittee to issue subpoenas to compel production.
 

Oh look another Democrat run witch hunt. Surprised Russia isn't in there somewhere.

That was well past initial spread. It was a sht show at that point. Literally a sht show.

Trump by the end of it lost the plot and was more motivated by gaining numbers for the election.
 
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