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Horrific child murder in Perth

Bullmarket,

Keep up the good work, where many rich young rulers abound it is great to see a brother helping shine the light and sow the seed. Seems to be a fairly hostile crowd you are tackling here.

I think I differ on your idea about what to do with this guy if found absolutely guilty though. It maybe that getting rid of him after giving him a chance to repent might prevent, or in a way defend another victim.

I know that if I was the father of this girl waiting outside and caught him after the act I would break his neck without even giving him a chance to repent and would pray to God afterwards to ask if what I done was right. I would be very interested in what your thoughts are on this if it were you?

Cheers and God bless.
Ian.
 
Absolute sickin-ing thing that happened to that little girl, hope they cut his dick off! People like that add no value what so ever to my life. What Kgee said sound's very true, and not rumour. Just got off watching the 6O'clock news & there story on the subject is much the same as Kgee's.... Look's as though Kgee made the headlines and dobted the scum bag in.

Anyway, what planet you on bullmarket- seriously you sound like a broken down 2 bob watch.

All fact, true or false. Just to shoot the slag in the back of the head when he's not lookin. I work with children & I think thier sum of the greatest people around.

Sorry to hear about it! R.I.P
 
ggmaximus said:
Bullmarket,

Keep up the good work, where many rich young rulers abound it is great to see a brother helping shine the light and sow the seed. Seems to be a fairly hostile crowd you are tackling here.

I think I differ on your idea about what to do with this guy if found absolutely guilty though. It maybe that getting rid of him after giving him a chance to repent might prevent, or in a way defend another victim.

I know that if I was the father of this girl waiting outside and caught him after the act I would break his neck without even giving him a chance to repent and would pray to God afterwards to ask if what I done was right. I would be very interested in what your thoughts are on this if it were you?

Cheers and God bless.
Ian.

Have you read all of BM's posts (in similar threads) on this forum?
If so you should know that he will never agree with your last comment. ;)

StockyBailx said:
Anyway, what planet you on bullmarket- seriously you sound like a broken down 2 bob watch.
more like a broken record.
get this... he comes in my recent 'death penalty' thread and says in his first post that he isnt going to post at all. he then went on to post several times just repeating the same thing over and over again in reply to different questions :confused: Obviously not a man of his word!..
I thought I had worked out a way to stop him posting for a while there :D
 
hello,

lets change the end result of a conviction, thats what people want and the recent poll shows this.

are the people in jail today innocent? i dont think so, but the usual cry from pro-life is you could be hanging an innocent person

thankyou
robots
 
Hi mint man,

I will have a squiz round BM's other posts when I finish dinner, I think that the big problem with capital punishment if it ever came in would come about when they start to modify it to include lesser then lesser crimes.
 
Hi ggmaximus

ggmaximus said:
Bullmarket,

Keep up the good work, where many rich young rulers abound it is great to see a brother helping shine the light and sow the seed. Seems to be a fairly hostile crowd you are tackling here.

I think I differ on your idea about what to do with this guy if found absolutely guilty though. It maybe that getting rid of him after giving him a chance to repent might prevent, or in a way defend another victim.

I know that if I was the father of this girl waiting outside and caught him after the act I would break his neck without even giving him a chance to repent and would pray to God afterwards to ask if what I done was right. I would be very interested in what your thoughts are on this if it were you?

Cheers and God bless.
Ian.

thanks and no problem :) - it seems some have difficulty coping with the fact that I am entitled to my views and supporting reasons/beliefs just as they are entitled to theirs and some try to get aggressive towards me if our views differ ;)......but as I said in other threads, I have a very thick skin and it's all water off a duck's back to me :)

Regarding you asking me for my thoughts - I thinks it's pretty clear what my thoughts are from my earlier posts.....but suffice to say that unless you could show you broke his neck in self defence, imo you will be hard pressed to convince God you did the right thing.....hope this helps :)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
kgee said:
I know it's dangerous to spread rumours so please remember that this is a rumour....
I just recieved this email

Hello friends
I am just so angry, frustrated and really upset at what has happened at the Livingston Shopping Centre that I needed to let you all know the "truth" behind the mongrel murderer.
About 3 yrs ago when I was working at the prison we found out that one of the boys (at the time aged about 12) that abducted James Bulger from a shopping centre in the U.K., then brutally raped and murdered him, had reached the age of 18 and had been sent out to Australia with a new identity for his family, etc. Long story short is that he was given the name of Dante Arthurs, his grandfather's name is Arthur Dante, and his family moved into a house in Canning Vale. When the prison staff got wind of this it was all supposed to be kept hushed up, it was some sort of prisoner exchange deal the Aust Govt set up. Soon after he got here he assaulted a 12 yrd old girl in a park in Canning Vale and consequently came to Hakea prison but for only about 6 weeks as they couldn't get enough evidence on him and the incident was brushed under the mat.
His parents used to visit him and their photos were on the computers at work and I clearly recall seeing his mum at the Livingston shops one day. I even had his address and because I've got friends and family in the area, I felt I had a right to tell them, stuff the prisons!!
I had even driven past his house in Lakeview Rise estate in Canning Vale!
Anyway when this happened yesterday I said to Ron, it'd be interesting to see if it's that Dante Arthurs guy from the U.K. and sure enough today we find out that it is him. I am, along with a lot of others, absolutely furious that the mongrel ******** was allowed to come here via the Govt in the first place and that he was allowed to appear to live a normal life!! Why haven't the police done something about this - he should not be allowed to breathe air, he is the scum of the earth. And tonight he would be sitting back in a comfortable cell in prison, having just had a reasonable hot dinner and be watching TV!
That innocent little girl and her poor family will never ever be the same again - all because the piss weak Justice System and Govt allowed him to live in our country! There is a register for paedophiles so that the community are allowed to know where they're living and yet this piece of **** can live on our back door step with a new identity. People winge about illegal immigrants, what about this?
It will be interesting to see what unfolds over the next few days, but I wouldn't be at all surprised if he's whisked out of the country in the same manner he was bought here, then again knowing our pathetic laws, we'll probably keep him here in our justice system, costing tax payers hundreds of thousands of dollars to feed and entertain him PLUS the do-gooders will believe in their minds that they can rehabilitate him!
I was just going to type "sorry" but I'm not at all sorry for alerting my friends to something that should be publicly known.
Stay safe, talk soon.


Kgee,this is not rumour.
Last time I read about this scum,one of them had been involved with a girl who got pregnant and because of the new identity the people involved with him couldnt inform her that he was one of these bastards.I cant recall all the information now,but I dont think he can be around children,I cant recall how it ended up from there.But the girl couldnt be told the truth otherwise his identity would be blown,I think she had the baby but,not sure of the other details,while back.Still hope what you posted is a rumour.
 
Hi MM

The Mint Man said:
Have you read all of BM's posts (in similar threads) on this forum?
If so you should know that he will never agree with your last comment.


more like a broken record.
get this... he comes in my recent 'death penalty' thread and says in his first post that he isnt going to post at all. he then went on to post several times just repeating the same thing over and over again in reply to different questions :confused: Obviously not a man of his word!..
I thought I had worked out a way to stop him posting for a while there

It's pretty clear to me that you are totally frustrated at the fact that I am entitled to my views just as you are yours and so you are now resorting to telling blatant lies because you seem to have difficulty coping with our differing views.

I never said in my first post that I wasn't going to post at all...so let me refresh your memory on what I actually said:

i can't take this thread seriously if you're not prepared to put up your view and hope that someone else puts it up for you

so i'll take the easy way out as well and hope someone "will say exactly what I think anyway" as well

can that person please vote for me as well

All I said was that I hope someone will say exactly what I think (as per your earlier post in the thread ;)) and since no-one did I decided to post my views for myself....it's as simple as that

So if you want to be taken seriously and have any credibility, maybe consider getting your facts straight before posting and stop telling blatant lies ;)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
Hello again Bullmarket,

You are probably getting sick of talking about this topic by now so sorry for being a pest but I would really be interested to hear your thoughts on this.

You and your young daughter are at the shopping complex having a great time, looking at pets in the animal shop, maybe buying some gifts with her to give to mum for mothers day. You both are feeling hungry after your exciting day out so you sit down to enjoy a nice lunch, your daughter finishes her meal while you are enjoying your coffee and reading the local paper, checking the stock report ect. Your daughter asks you if she can go to the toilet to which you reply ok but be quick, feeling safe that the restrooms are on 10 meters away you let her go an continue to read the paper. 5-6 minutes go by an you look up wondering what’s taking her so long so you get up and head over to the rest rooms. As you arrive you hear her muffled scream so you race in where you find your little girl, naked, legs spread lying in a pool of blood running from her nose. You can tell just by looking at her that her life has been taken from her. Above her you see a semi dressed man just buttoning up his jeans with blood trickling down his hands and a what you going to do about it type look on his face..

At this point BM , what would you do? (please think about it before responding)

Sorry for being so dramatic about it but if I’m not I might be fobbed off with a weak answer that does not actually reflect what you would most likely do if you were in this situation.

P.S. I would not try and convince God I’d done the right thing but ask him if what I done was right. If he tells me it was not and I should have done something else I would fall to me knees and ask for forgiveness and understanding.

Once again God bless and continue to be lead by his word.
Ian.
 
Hi ggmaximus

To be honest I don't know how I would actually react....for all I know I could possibly go into shock and collapse or call out for help or grab the guy but I guess my very first reaction would be to grab my child and try to revive her as I doubt very much I would accept that she was dead on first seeing her - I doubt any parent would.......but my earlier posts make very clear what I woud not do

Prison break has started so we can discuss more tomorrow sometime if you like.

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
Yeah I love prison break too, pitty I have to wait a few more months because I've seen all of season one.

Its a pitty micheal dies climbing over the wall though...jk :)


goodnight all.
 
What differentiates humans from animals???? Brains and free will........we have free will and animals have instinct....yet if a dog mauls a human, its put down no questions asked!!!! The same should go for this guy. He is an animal because if free will drove him to this act, he is not human.

And GGM, in answer to your earlier question.......i would rip his head off with my bare hands......God WOULD forgive me because what i have done is save dozens of further innocent kids from this animal and hundreds of parents from the nightmare! :mad: :mad: :mad:
 
It's cowardly NOT to kill these scum.
If we came across some mongrel attacking a little kid or raping him/her or killing him/her or whatever, we'd be absolute low down cowards if we didn't step in and protect the child if we possibly could, even if it meant killing the attacker.
It's cowardice of the lowest order that governments and do gooders and bleeding hearts and fools with professional qualifications and spruikers of Christian claptrap and others devoid of common sense will not take responsibility to protect everyone in society, particularly young children, by permanently eliminating these scum once and for all, i.e. execute them.

Bunyip
 
ggmaximus,

While it can never be stated with absolute certainty what I would do under those circumstances (anything is possible) I would have to also lean towards flying into a fit of rage and killing the man on the spot. I don't think that is the right thing to do but I would have to say it is brave man that says that would be able to hold back.
 
bunyip, this is a good point

"If we came across some mongrel attacking a little kid or raping him/her or killing him/her or whatever, we'd be absolute low down cowards if we didn't step in and protect the child if we possibly could, even if it meant killing the attacker."


Even if it is not our own child, our reactions are likely to be serve. I think though that in stoping the crime and the offender ending up dead would become a self defence case.
 
the_godfather4 said:
What differentiates humans from animals???? Brains and free will........we have free will and animals have instinct....yet if a dog mauls a human, its put down no questions asked!!!! The same should go for this guy. He is an animal because if free will drove him to this act, he is not human.

And GGM, in answer to your earlier question.......i would rip his head off with my bare hands......God WOULD forgive me because what i have done is save dozens of further innocent kids from this animal and hundreds of parents from the nightmare! :mad: :mad: :mad:

Godfather, that's one of the best posts on this thread. You're a rare commodity....a Christian who, rather than spruiking Christian claptrap like some, thinks for yourself.
You've made a point that some people just don't have the mental capacity to understand.....whevever we kill one of these scum we save others who are more worthy of life. Kill one scumbag, save dozens of innocent kids. Any thinking person will recognise this as a good trade off.

Bunyip
 
kennas said:
Great rumour kgee.

Surely, this is a candidate for the noose? If he goes to jail he'll get his due I'm sure. I'm sure Aussie prisoners will deal out appropriate justice here.

Exactly so, Kennas. I was discussing this case with an ex-prisoner today and he described in very graphic terms the fate of this creature in prison. And it will not be a one-off punishment. Everyone will have their turn. The guards will look the other way. Quite possibly he will consider the death penalty would have been a preferable alternative.

So perhaps some sort of justice will occur.

I can't get that little girl's face out of my mind.

Julia
 
Godfather,

I think if we think about it a little bit more, we'll find that humans are animals too, and we also work off instinct. Everything we do in life is based on hormones designed to assist us to survive.

I've gone down this path in previous posts but I leave it to you to consider it a little bit more. What actually makes us act the way we act? What drives us? Our thoughts and emotions driven by hormones stimulated by the environment and nature resulting in actions.

You were right, this guy is an animal, just like the rest of us. Some of us are in situations where we can control ourselves better. Either as a result of our genes, or environment. It's nature and nurture. And then there are hormone and chemical imbalances causing people to act irrationally.

The only way this guy could act in this way is by either of the above. He's a human animal and should be punished in this world.
 
kennas said:
I think if we think about it a little bit more, we'll find that humans are animals too, and we also work off instinct. Everything we do in life is based on hormones designed to assist us to survive.

I've gone down this path in previous posts but I leave it to you to consider it a little bit more. What actually makes us act the way we act? What drives us? Our thoughts and emotions driven by hormones stimulated by the environment and nature resulting in actions.

You were right, this guy is an animal, just like the rest of us. Some of us are in situations where we can control ourselves better. Either as a result of our genes, or environment. It's nature and nurture. And then there are hormone and chemical imbalances causing people to act irrationally.

The only way this guy could act in this way is by either of the above. He's a human animal and should be punished in this world.

:)

Hi folks,

..... and yes, yes, yes, Kennas ... !~!

Please bear with some introductory groundwork here,
in order to establish a foundation, for comment on the
subject of this thread.

-----

If we pursue your line of thinking, we can refer to Harold
Anson's work, where he looks at animals and man, soon
after Creation.

He says in the sense that an animal is sinless (even today),
then man was also created without consciousness of right
or wrong (sin).

"Man's Fall came with the emergence of the faculty of moral
choice and the act of choice leading to a sense of sin and
failure to evolve; the life of sex, the relation to the Divine
mind and to other creatures, becomes explicit, where before
it had been mechanical."

"Original sin is the desire of the race NOT to evolve,
to remain where it was" ..... this natural regression to
animalism is within us all and it is the very reason, why
good people (as shown in this thread) revolt and make
fierce war on those who revert to animal pleasures, like
this killer has done.

----

Now, to this killer's future ..... Julia has already
alluded to what he will likely face in prison, at the hands
of the inmates, with the blessings of the prison guards.

As regards to earthly justice, this should be left to our
justice system, whether we personally see it as adequate
or not ..... (as you will see, it matters not, anyway.)

Some systems seem to mete out a fairer form of justice
than others, but at the end of the day, we must trust the
justice system, that we have in this country.

Looking back to OT times, the monothetic God did not deal
out eveyday justice to individuals, instead that was left to
the lawmakers and kings of the day and for the most part,
they did a good job .....

..... and so it is today, justice should be left to our leaders
and the lawmakers, as it does not really matter, because:

A Christian perspective tells us, that even that treatment in
gaol will only be a SMALL indignity compared to what he will
face, in years to come .....:

Matthew 18:6

"But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe
in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged
about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of
the sea."


Clearly, anybody reading the passage above can see,
that this killer's destiny is sealed in continual punishment
reserved for the worst violators of God's law, regardless of
what happens in the justice system ..... !~!

So, despite our emotions upon hearing about such crimes,
revenge is not ours take, so let's leave it to those that
have been appointed as lawmakers, to express our rage .....

..... and even if they fail in our eyes, please be comforted
by the passage above, this killer WILL SUFFER for his sin !!!

Blessings upon you


yogi

:)
 
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