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clowboy, this was one of the main stories in our (melbourne) 5 and 6 pm main news bulletins. it's just really sad to see something like this happen to such a young child.

the man charged was a previoulsy known sex offender, but was "released on a technicality" a few years ago, as reported by 6pm Channel 9 News.
 
It's big news everywhere I think. Heard it on the radio here (Hobart) this afternoon. Absolutely tragic... :mad:
 
THE OTHER THREAD FLOATING AROUND ABOUT WEATHER TO BRING IN THE DEATH PENALTY JUST CHANGED A FEW MINDS I BET...

i LIVE ONLY A FEW K'S FROM THERE AND AM BLOODY DISGUSTED A TURD LIKE THAT GOT AWAY THE FIRST TIME.

BRING BACK LYNCHING!!!!!!!!!!!

AND CRUCIFIXION....

DEATH IS REALY TOO GOOD FOR SICKOS LIKE THAT...HE EVEN BROKE HER ARMS AND LEGS APPARENTLY.......GODDAMN, IF ONLY WE COULD DO PUBLIC PUNISHMENT THERE'D BE ALOT LESS OF THAT CARRYON.
 
I think I've just changed my mind about the death penalty.
Nothing else seems appropriate in this instance.

Julia
 
They actually gave details about the offender and showed his face, as well as state where he is being held on the news.

I was a little worried what some of the public may do with that information.

Sad to think that two sets of parents have lost a child, but I have to say that the little girls parents have shown great courage and dignity in the way they have conducted themselves.

My heart truly bleeds for them.
 
on the other thread about the death penalty,this was the point I was trying to make.Hold the people who allow these mongrels out in society responsable.Who for example helped this mongrel find the so called tecnicality?had no one found this so called tecnicality this scum would not be out able to perpetrate this horrific crime again.You will now find that ,the new jury will not be allowed to hear about the other crime.And he will be sentenced as though this was a first time.

The law is there to protect us,of course it has to be balanced but in my opinion the criminals always have the upper hand.Too many times the bleeding hearts present information to excuse these mongrels,and too many times they get it wrong and we as a community are penalised.Our freedoms are diminished while our taxes are used to support the people who the law is meant to protect us from.

The 8 year old went to the toilet on her own,surely she was old enough but how many parents already dont feel safe allowing their children this basic freedom.
 
As evil as this animal is, no doubt we'll still have people on this forum raving on about his right to life, and suggesting we house him in comfortable accommodation for the rest of his life, feed him nutritious meals, make sure he gets proper dental and medical care, TV, blankets to keep him warm in winter etc etc.
Pathetic! Absolutely bloody pathetic!

This type of person makes me sick, but what makes me almost as sick are the fools whose opinions are sought because they have professional qualifications, (but are unfortunatley devoid of common sense) and they say rehabilitate him, let him back out in the community.

Bunyip
 
As evil, horrific and abhorent as this crime is, it still does not justify a death penalty imo for the reasons I posted in the other thread.

Imo, the minimum custodial sentence has to be a very long time to help deter others from committing similar offences and if after the minimum custodial sentence there is no genuine remorse and rehabilitation then you leave him locked up for the term of his natural life.

Imo, those who believe in God should find it a lot easier to cope with a custodial sentence for serious crimes like this in the knowledge that we will all be judged by our maker eventually where true justice will be done.

Imo, those that do not believe in God are much more likely to want to take the easy way out and commit another blatant and cowardly murder (at least in the moral sense) by taking another human life to exact what they perceive as 'justice' but imo is nothing more than cowardly vengeance.

In my eyes, there is very little distinction between the offender who committed the murder in the first place and those who would cowardly murder him as well in vengeance by stringing him up, strapping him to an electric chair or whatever other means they would choose.

Some :2twocents food for thought I posted elsewhere:

I suppose those that do not believe in God are hoping that they are right and everyone else is wrong because eternity is a hell of a long time to be suffering in hell (or whatever your equivalent might be) for getting it wrong (ie...committing blatant murder, legalised or not) in the relatively miniscule 80 odd years we spend on average in this life ;)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
This story really is heart wrenching. Watching it with my 15 yo daughter last night was very hard but now she has a better understanding of why I insist on walking her to the bus stop each morning and meeting her at the bus stop in the afternoons. She also understands why she is not allowed to go for a run without the dog and the mobile phone. I may be a little over protective but there are sooo many sickos out there its scary.

I don't believe this man can be rehabilitated and at very least should be chemically castrated - if oroven guilty that is.
 
Bull, there is no judgement at the pearly gates. There is no hell.

This 'human' must be punished here on earth, and the most suitable punishment to achieve justice in this case would be death. IMO of course.

Your God can not possibly exist as you know it when He allows such acts to occur. Surely this questions your faith, not just in God, but in the human species. We are but animals living on this rock floating through space.
 
Hi kennas :)

kennas said:
Bull, there is no judgement at the pearly gates. There is no hell.

This 'human' must be punished here on earth, and the most suitable punishment to achieve justice in this case would be death. IMO of course.

Your God can not possibly exist as you know it when He allows such acts to occur. Surely this questions your faith, not just in God, but in the human species. We are but animals living on this rock floating through space.
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no problem ;) but I disagree - we went through all this in the other thread.

You appear to be in the group that do not believe in God and that is fine by me........I'm in the group that do believe in God :)

Regarding your post above, all I can do is refer you to my views on the consequences of the 'Adam and Eve' story in the other thread that imo helps explain why we have good and evil people in this world..........if you do not accept or believe it then that is fine.......it's each to their own beliefs on this one....;)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
Mumbank,

I feel for all parents that find themself in a situation of uncertainty - where do you draw the line. When I first heard about this story they stated that her father was waiting outside the toilets for her (it was actually her uncle and he was not directly waiting outside the toilets for her). I thought to myself, imagine how it would feel if you where only metres away....how much would you blame it on yourself.

I don't think that castration would achieve much in that it would not stop a repeat, just change his MO. I also think that He COULD be rehabilitated (that does not mean that he ever will be but just that there is a chance).

The question is should he be given the oportunity to be rehabilitated?

Kennas, God existing as I know him (or not) is a hard question to answer especially when everyone's knowledge is so varied. I think that in circumstances like these our faith is meant to be questioned. I think that the question should be, IF god allowed this to happen? then why?

Bearing in mind that according to my beliefs the man charged with the murder of this girl (assuming he is guilty - god knows) is going to spend the rest of eternity in hell. Anything we can do to him pails in comparision to what hell will be like.


His life on earth should only be spared if he repents and begs the forgivness of the family and society. IMO.


Bullmarket, comparing the execution of a criminal to murder is a bit harsh IMO. Are the soldiers at war in Iraq (and all other wars) murderers?

Thankfully I do not have to make these tough decisions but if push come to shove I could carry out the work of executioner and still sit well with god. Bearing in mind that it is not something I would like to do and would be a heavy burden.
 
Good points Clowboy, but what if hell doesn't exist? Your evil man is not going to be punished for eternity is he. Therefore he escapes true justice.

Once again Bull, I agree. To disagree. :)
 
Hi clowboy

clowboy said:
................Bullmarket, comparing the execution of a criminal to murder is a bit harsh IMO. Are the soldiers at war in Iraq (and all other wars) murderers?.................
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ok no problem but imo I am not being too harsh at all......I just post things as I see them and give my reason why.

Regarding soldiers at war - I have posted elsewhere in various threads that my belief is that human life is sacrosanct and so the taking of another human life can only be justified in cases of self defence, be it in a war or whatever.

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
bullmarket said:
As evil, horrific and abhorent as this crime is, it still does not justify a death penalty imo for the reasons I posted in the other thread.

Imo, the minimum custodial sentence has to be a very long time to help deter others from committing similar offences and if after the minimum custodial sentence there is no genuine remorse and rehabilitation then you leave him locked up for the term of his natural life.

Imo, those who believe in God should find it a lot easier to cope with a custodial sentence for serious crimes like this in the knowledge that we will all be judged by our maker eventually where true justice will be done.

Imo, those that do not believe in God are much more likely to want to take the easy way out and commit another blatant and cowardly murder (at least in the moral sense) by taking another human life to exact what they perceive as 'justice' but imo is nothing more than cowardly vengeance.

In my eyes, there is very little distinction between the offender who committed the murder in the first place and those who would cowardly murder him as well in vengeance by stringing him up, strapping him to an electric chair or whatever other means they would choose.

Some :2twocents food for thought I posted elsewhere:

I suppose those that do not believe in God are hoping that they are right and everyone else is wrong because eternity is a hell of a long time to be suffering in hell (or whatever your equivalent might be) for getting it wrong (ie...committing blatant murder, legalised or not) in the relatively miniscule 80 odd years we spend on average in this life ;)

cheers

bullmarket :)
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bullmarket

It might be difficult for you to understand, but there are criminals out there who find a custodial sentence no deterrent whatsoever. After all, they are housed, fed, given good medical and dental care and need to take no responsibility for anything. Beats a life on the streets, doesn't it?

Julia
 
Bullmarket,stop putting God in your argument,He gave us the ability to think for ourselves and we should so,no excuses .

If he does exist and I`m not a believer enough to know without doubt then I`m sure He will figure it out when we get there,

The industry that keeps these animals in our society benefits only themselves,lawyers,psychologists,ect...

Imagine if they went around saying you did the wrong thing lets fix it,instead these animals say, they are saying you did the wrong thing lets figure a way to get away with it.Not the same thing.
 
Hi Julia ;)

You are going to be hard pressed to convince me that anybody deliberately goes out to commit abhorrent crimes feeling that they will be 'rewarded' by life in a maximum security prison, with little or any luxuries, solitary confinement for probably 23hrs a day (for their own protection) and a total loss of their freedom to go where they like when like and do what they like when they like.

Life in a max security prison is no luxury or picnic by any means ;)

Also, using your logic one could also argue that someone who did not believe there is life after death might not see the death penalty as a deterrent either.....some might, some might not ;)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 
Hi Visual :)

if you have a problem with me expressing my views and beliefs/reasons supporting my views then simply put me on your ignore list....Joe posted instructions recently on how to ignore people.

I don't believe anyone has the right to try to censor people's views/opinions/beliefs....if you don't like or agree with them then you have 2 options

1) either post some verifiable info proving anything I post is wrong

2) put me on your ignore list

re your comment:

Imagine if they went around saying you did the wrong thing lets fix it,instead these animals say, they are saying you did the wrong thing lets figure a way to get away with it.Not the same thing
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I posted my views on this in the other thread by stating that I believe everyone has the right to be presumed innocent until proven guilty and so everyone is entitled to as fair a trial as possible.....I explained the roles of the law makers, prosecuting and defence lawyers to help ensure a fair trial.

If you don't agree with me then that's fine...we are all entitled to our own views :)

cheers

bullmarket :)
 

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