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I'm not sure if you're deliberately trying to misrepresent things or if you just haven't bothered looking at the situation, but their death rate has obviously not been constant through the entire thing (or since 2005 or whatever silly figure you may want to bring up for the sake of a disingenuous argument). Obviously at some point months ago it was zero, they let it run through the community relatively unchecked (some mitigation measures but no lockdowns, just let it run). Because they didn't try to contain it or have spotfire lockdown strategies like the Australian nonsense, it is there, it exists at a stable level, and has stabilised. At that stable level it is killing a negligible number of people (with one exceptional day on Friday where 5 deaths were recorded, but zero death days are not unusual now).
By contrast, attempting to play an eternally ongoing cat and mouse strategy where you lock everyone down in response to outbreaks then open back up when the disease is at an 'acceptable level' means no heard immunity happens, you never get a particularly big problem anyway, but you probably have more virus deaths overall and you have a perpetually retarded economy, social problems, etc.
It's funny that I get accused of being off topic, but I actually try to relate it back to the topic and when I don't post all weekend I come back to pages of posts where people don't make that attempt.
Here is a link to Sweden's figures: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Compare it to Australia's: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/australia/
Compare the graphs (or numbers if you prefer) of active cases and daily death count. When you look at these pictures it's clear that Sweden's model, that is, not locking down, accepting that the virus will spread, allowing it to spread and come to a trivial level disease which never needs to have a noteworthy economic impact at all, is superior. Not just economically (which is the topic of this thread) but socially, etc, and I would strongly argue that not forcefully removing human liberty and agency has an extreme value in itself.
We keep seeing personal anecdotes of people with elderly relatives. No one is saying a 97 year old woman's life means nothing, but we need to accept that the lives and wellbeing of the entire country has value too! Even if we weren't worried about the economy it makes no sense to remove liberty and agency and human rights (and lives!) from millions of humans beings for the sake of a small number of old people. That small number of old people may be important *but so are all the other people*
..only to have the virus rip through the community later anyway, so then you'll get a double negative effect on the economy.I don't understand this obsession with Sweden. They experienced GDP growth of -8% in the 2nd quarter. So they have way more illness and death, AND a weaker economy than Australia's. Awesome, what an inspiration!
It's all very well 'staying open', but if people are afraid to leave their homes for fear of catching a deadly virus with no cure, and no one can visit their parents in Aged Care due to a ban on visitors, what's the point?? Better to go for elimination, and then re-open with some confidence.
No one in, no one out. Including carriers of goods and supplies, so no imports no exports.
With the Gestapo at ports to ensure no fraternization? No medical evacuation, say for injuries or other non covid emergency treatment?The virus is spread by people not goods.
So confine the ship's crew to their quarters and do the unloading with local labour and appropriate precautions.
..only to have the virus rip through the community later anyway, so then you'll get a double negative effect on the economy.
Elimination is a pipe dream, unless of course we create fortress Australia. No one in, no one out. Including carriers of goods and supplies, so no imports no exports. Have the navy patrolling our waters and blowing the s*** out of anyone trying to arrive here by boat.
Lovely stuff, komrade. All we need then is a "Dear Leader" to complete the scenario. I hear Dan is auditioning for the job.
Not a snowball's chance in hell that will happen. To do so would be to admit that everything we've been through so far, all the lockdowns etc, were pointless/all for nothing. That will NEVER happen.
I’ll finish with the famous words of Teddy Roosevelt. Words that Dan, and all our leaders, probably need right now:
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood… who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.
A vaccine (it doesn't need to be effective) will probably be the way they save face. They can either pass the buck and say it's not as effective as they were promised, or say that it was all worthwhile because without the vaccine things would have been so much worse, or since it's not going to be all that bad anyway (this isn't a particularly devastating virus even with no mitigation efforts) they can say 'hooray, it's all a success which was worthwhile' and go back to not trying to horrify the nation when half a dozen people in their late 80s who have been bed ridden for six months in nursing homes die, along with an obese guy in mid 50s who was suffering from heart disease.
You seem to have quite a disdain for the elderly.
Also the government propping up the ability for people to be able to pay or defer their mortgages, therefor no forced selling yet.That's because the interest rate gets dumped, which makes borrowing cheaper (easier, i.e people can borrow more) and so prices of stuff like housing gets bid up.
You halve the interest rate, people can borrow (roughly) twice as much. It's literally that simple.
Obviously at some point months ago it was zero, they let it run through the community relatively unchecked (some mitigation measures but no lockdowns, just let it run). Because they didn't try to contain it or have spotfire lockdown strategies like the Australian
Come on, he does not. Read the posts, stop being so stupid. At some stage, we will all die.
19 deaths, big deal, we have a population of 4.3million in Melbourne, are those 4.3million never to die.
What do you find acceptable is the acceptable level of daily deaths for Victorian's.
Face reality.
Back to the subject, yes this virus is going to cause untold economic damage due to solely the ignorance of individuals about life.
on this we can all agree, right or wrong, they will never admit.A givenNot a snowball's chance in hell that will happen. To do so would be to admit that everything we've been through so far, all the lockdowns etc, were pointless/all for nothing. That will NEVER happen.
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