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Discussion in 'Beginner's Lounge' started by Skate, Dec 17, 2018.

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  1. Gringotts Bank

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    Communication is so difficult, isn't it? It's extremely hard to understand and be understood when the topic has any degree of complexity or subtlety.

    Someone makes a statement like: "technical analysis is better than fundamental". And before you can reply meaningfully, a hundred assumptions need to be unpacked and just as many terms need to be defined in detail. That's if you want to take part in a proper debate. Such a statement as the one above could take a few hours to unpack, but who could be bothered? Even a very astute reply is likely to be met with "yeh but I still think it's better...", and then you realize you've wasted your time trying to help.

    I have a few books that I've had to read 10 times before I really got the message. So yeh, change is hard and it happens slowly! One has to be willng to make oneself uncomfortable...over and over again. Inertia equates with safety, so there's some in-built evolutionary resistance.
     
  2. Skate

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    Hi @Gringotts Bank

    I want to follow my own advice..

    Tell me more..

    There is always a contest of ideas on ASF but when someone offers value it’s in our best interest to listen.

    I’m not saying everyone should agree, we should be civil & just say “tell me more”

    Your post displays complexity & value..

    Your dump will resonate with so many members..

    @Gringotts Bank - tell me more..

    Skate.
     
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    If you want to communicate effectively and get your message across, these would be some pointers. You're sort of already doing them!

    1. show genuine interest in others - tick
    2. add some genuine recognition of others' contributions - tick
    3. have a positive and easy going vibe - tick
    4. be trustworthy*
    5. keep it brief or break it into bite size chunks - tick
    6. make it relevant (trading) - tick
    7. begin with easy-to-digest facts to create a 'yes set' - tick, everyone is nodding along
    8. insert the thing you really want to say as if it's just another fact (aka 'bury the lead').
    9. quickly add more uncontestable and easily digested facts

    Points 7-9 are manipulative, so will tend to backfire in multiple ways. Points 1-6 are do-able if one can be bothered.

    *Point 4 is a huge topic in itself and is by far the most important. You can actually do the whole thing with number 4 alone, imo.
     
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  4. Skate

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    Hi @Gringotts Bank

    You have hit the nail on the head - trust & being trustworthy is our most precious gift we can give anyone.

    Are you up for an example ?

    Skate.
     
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    Yes. Let's hear it.
     
  6. Skate

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    Let’s set the scene..

    The daughter is jumping from the lounge into dad arm, the bond is trust is strong.

    Image if her Dad was distracted & failed to catch his daughter - do you think her trust in her dad would be broken?

    It sure would.

    Skate.
    Let’s set the scene..

    The daughter is jumping off the lounge into dad arm, the bond & trust is strong.

    Image if her Dad was distracted & failed to catch his daughter - do you think the daughters trust in her dad would be broken?

    It sure would.

    Skate.
     
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    Hi @Gringotts Bank I want to dump another..

    Imagine this..

    Every time you break someone’s trust - go & hammer a nail into a piece of wood.

    When you restore that trust - go & pull the nail out.

    You will notice there will be a hole left in the piece of wood - trust can never be fully repaired.

    Skate.
     
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  8. Skate

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    Rome wasn’t built in a day...

    I’ll do my best to gain yours.

    Skate.
     
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    Stress

    It’s worth remembering..

    “Sometimes good enough is good enough”

    Skate.
     
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    True but sentiment (yeeeehaar) is the real driver which to my mind is just excited the feeling of the day. Psychology is implanted, sentiment is more the infection of the moment. True however one could write a book just on this single point.
     
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    My way of repairing broken trust is to punish them and let them know why. Withdrawal is a good punishment. Then I look at why they did what they did, which is usually out of some buried fear. When I know the reason, it's much easier to be ok with trusting again. And I might question them about it later to see if they actually have any insight about it. If there's no insight, look out!... because it's going to be repeated.

    But I'm starting to sound like a school teacher here, and that bothers me. I just don't want to be f'd around - that's all.
     
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    Hi @explod

    Now that’s a deep dump..

    You have expressed your views so succinctly and so accurately.

    Traders are so moody at the moment - @peter2 will give his summary shortly about the drivers of the recent yo-yo volatility..

    Members will read your post and if they take the trouble to read it again - they will unpack some gems.

    You & @Gringotts Bank have hit on a topic of being tribal, without realizing it.

    Now that’s a subject you could fill a book with. (Our beliefs are very tribal)

    Im sure your post will encourage others to start to dumping their gems.

    Thank you..

    Skate.
     
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    Hi @Gringotts Bank

    Now that’s a strong passage, thank you for expressing your view that’s what this thread is all about.

    Trust is a precious gift but there is one gift that carries more value..

    Do you want me to tell you what is the most precious gift you can give someone?

    Skate.
     
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    A very bloody difficult situation, though "when in doubt get out"
     
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    Lurve. Not the kind you clean up with a mop and bucket, but the other kind. I don't walk to talk about it though... too shy. :sneaky:
     
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    Interesting point here, is sentiment, "everyone pushing behind a flowing ball", psychological (mind imprint from experience) or just follow the trend, as it goes. Hard to categorise this in my view.
     
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    Hi @explod

    I don’t want to overstep the mark but stickybeak Skate would like to ask if your avatar is a photo of you?

    Avatars go along way to express who you are..

    Skate.
     
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    Don't agree. From a child my path was hard, as a result I couldn't stop trying to ease the path of others. In the end my sociological understanding cleared my head/heart.
     
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    Hi @Gringotts Bank

    I don't walk to talk about it though... too shy. :sneaky:[/QUOTE]

    This is the thread you can dump whatever you want & feel comfortable doing so.

    The most precious gift you can give to another is your time.

    Skate,
     
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    Hi @explod

    I’m tempted to say “tell me more” but it’s package in something so personal.

    Skate.
     
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